Cops behaving badly… “just a few bad apples”

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

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Publications Police Violence and Civic Engagement (with Desmond Ang) American Political Science Review, 2023. Roughly a thousand people are killed by American law enforcement officers each year, accounting for more than 5% of all homicides. We estimate the causal impact of these events on civic

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This always seemed to be a violation of rights IMO. But ending stop and frisk reduces high school dropout rate by 44%. Even more harmful consequence of this policy.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

not sure this qualifies as stop and frisk, but probably bad policy.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

NJ cop slams own police chief onto car hood after boss allegedly shows up drunk to accident scene: video

“Don’t you touch me!” the seregeant yelled as he grabbed the swaying chief by his lapels and threw him up on the hood. “Don’t you f–king touch me! You have a problem? You grabbed …

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[TigerGrowls]

What kind of point is attempting to be made in this thread?

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

What kind of point is attempting to be made in this thread?

We should be questioning some of the training and policies of our law enforcement organizations.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

 

[scotchtiger]

Last election year we had riots about police, calls to defund the police, etc. Guess ole Prime is warming up for some blue hate this spring and summer.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

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Well if it dark ,I'm sure the cop thought it was a gun. but of course it's easy to sit on your couch and critique.

 

[BionicTiger]

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Don’t break the law? Tough to muster many fvcks for accidental deaths during the commission of felonies. And, is it police chases that are dangerous or is it the dipshits doing dipshit things at the wheel of 2 ton weapons being driven recklessly?

 

[scotchtiger]

Tough to muster many fvcks for accidental deaths during the commission of felonies.

😂

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Well if it dark ,I'm sure the cop thought it was a gun. but of course it's easy to sit on your couch and critique.

lol, “it was dark so I killed an unarmed man.” Totally reasonable!

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Last election year we had riots about police, calls to defund the police, etc. Guess ole Prime is warming up for some blue hate this spring and summer.

You don’t have a problem with mentally ill people being murdered? What about the below?



Perhaps this will appeal to the fiscal conservative in you…

“Over roughly the past 5½ years, Los Angeles paid out more than $245 million to resolve legal claims involving the Police Department — more than a third of the total amount of liability payouts for the city during that period, according to a Times analysis of city records”

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

😂

Laughing about the mentally ill being murdered by the cops? That’s just sick.

 

[scotchtiger]

Laughing about the mentally ill being murdered by the cops? That’s just sick.

I didn’t read the article, so no clue about mentally ill. But I thought that line in his reply was funny.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

lol, “it was dark so I killed an unarmed man.” Totally reasonable!

Just curious about have YOU ever been in a very tense possible situation in real life

Or do you just talk about what you know nothing about from real life experienced

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

I didn’t read the article, so no clue about mentally ill. But I thought that line in his reply was funny.

I didn’t read the post because I have that guy on mute but would hope you didn’t think any of those easily avoidable deaths were a laughing matter.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Just curious about have YOU ever been in a very tense possible situation in real life

Or do you just talk about what you know nothing about from real life experienced

Man you are full of excuses for cops. They are armed and have training. No reason to shoot an unarmed man and the city is going to pay out a huge settlement as a result.

Based on your thinking, we should just let cops shoot anyone anytime they are scared.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

I didn’t read the post because I have that guy on mute but would hope you didn’t think any of those easily avoidable deaths were a laughing matter.

You have someone else on mute?

Just curious.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

You have someone else on mute?

Just curious.

I actually took you off mute. Even though I think you have posted some ridiculous shit, you seem capable of having a nuanced discussion.

But yeah, lots of fools on mute. I’d never talk to them in real life, so why talk to them on TI?

 

[AugTig]

Man you are full of excuses for cops. They are armed and have training. No reason to shoot an unarmed man and the city is going to pay out a huge settlement as a result.

Based on your thinking, we should just let cops shoot anyone anytime they are scared.

Perhaps consider their perspective. There are bad apples in all industries but cops, teachers, and first responders are terribly underpaid.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Perhaps consider their perspective. There are bad apples in all industries but cops, teachers, and first responders are terribly underpaid.

Yeah, I don’t buy the bad apple argument with cops. My issues are with training, in that the majority of it is fear-based “if you don’t do this you may not come home to your family”, instead of learning how to de-escalate. A cop should never lead the interaction with a mentally ill person. That should be a therapist.

Teachers are underpaid, for certain. I think the benefits and overtime cops get is pretty good for those with minimal education. And frankly, most who want to do that job can get a job as a cop.

My other issue is that bad cops who get fired are frequently hired in other districts. If you get fired in one district, then you should not be allowed to be a cop again.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

I actually took you off mute. Even though I think you have posted some ridiculous shit, you seem capable of having a nuanced discussion.

But yeah, lots of fools on mute. I’d never talk to them in real life, so why talk to them on TI?

Just found it ironic.

 

[BionicTiger]

I didn’t read the post because I have that guy on mute but would hope you didn’t think any of those easily avoidable deaths were a laughing matter.

So fvcking fragile.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Perhaps consider their perspective. There are bad apples in all industries but cops, teachers, and first responders are terribly underpaid.

Thank you for helping explain some of the issues to the NEW TI KNOW IT ALL

I THOUGHT I HAD THE CROWN LOCKED UP BUT THIS DUDE IS DEFINITELY NOT THE KING BUT THE EMPEROR OF BULLSHIT

I am in the process of advocating for better hiring of public servants such as police, EMT, fire fighters , etc. through a college to career program such as used by the military

Free education for likr 8 to 10 years service or pay back loan on graduation

For existing police better candidates, fair pay, better equipment, better training, etc

All this takes time leadership and a targeted goal

It is easy to shout about the problems

It takes a dam good effort to fix problems instead of being a hate monger , race baiter, division creator, racist, socialist, communist, etc

I am working at fixing problems and not just whining and blaming anyone snd everyone

People going into law enforcement at this time are not the top of the class

They need some tuning to help make it better for the public

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Thank you for helping explain some of the issues to the NEW TI KNOW IT ALL

I THOUGHT I HAD THE CROWN LOCKED UP BUT THIS DUDE IS DEFINITELY NOT THE KING BUT THE EMPEROR OF BULLSHIT

I am in the process of advocating for better hiring of public servants such as police, EMT, fire fighters , etc. through a college to career program such as used by the military

Free education for likr 8 to 10 years service or pay back loan on graduation

For existing police better candidates, fair pay, better equipment, better training, etc

All this takes time leadership and a targeted goal

It is easy to shout about the problems

It takes a dam good effort to fix problems instead of being a hate monger , race baiter, division creator, racist, socialist, communist, etc

I am working at fixing problems and not just whining and blaming anyone snd everyone

People going into law enforcement at this time are not the top of the class

They need some tuning to help make it better for the public

You want solutions? Here are 10:
1) end qualified immunity
2) create a federal database and any cop who gets fired will not be allowed to be a cop in any other district
3) mandate civilian oversight boards
4) allocate police budget to mental health and domestic abuse counselors
5) eliminate police unions
6) end stop & frisk
7) end “no knock” warrants
8) stop indemnifying officers
9) eliminate the transfer of military grade equipment to police departments
10) eliminate civil asset forfeitures

 

[scotchtiger]

You want solutions? Here are 10:
1) end qualified immunity
2) create a federal database and any cop who gets fired will not be allowed to be a cop in any other district
3) mandate civilian oversight boards
4) allocate police budget to mental health and domestic abuse counselors
5) eliminate police unions
6) end stop & frisk
7) end “no knock” warrants
8) stop indemnifying officers
9) eliminate the transfer of military grade equipment to police departments
10) eliminate civil asset forfeitures

Lol. Gotta love blaming the police for the problems and not the criminals. I can fix this with one solution:

1) Stop committing crimes.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

You want solutions? Here are 10:
1) end qualified immunity
2) create a federal database and any cop who gets fired will not be allowed to be a cop in any other district
3) mandate civilian oversight boards
4) allocate police budget to mental health and domestic abuse counselors
5) eliminate police unions
6) end stop & frisk
7) end “no knock” warrants
8) stop indemnifying officers
9) eliminate the transfer of military grade equipment to police departments
10) eliminate civil asset forfeitures

Underwhelmed

Most of that is bullshit when the bug hits the windshield

Criminal talking points

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

You want solutions? Here are 10:
1) end qualified immunity
2) create a federal database and any cop who gets fired will not be allowed to be a cop in any other district
3) mandate civilian oversight boards
4) allocate police budget to mental health and domestic abuse counselors
5) eliminate police unions
6) end stop & frisk
7) end “no knock” warrants
8) stop indemnifying officers
9) eliminate the transfer of military grade equipment to police departments
10) eliminate civil asset forfeitures

Needed to add to my thoughts

I just don’t see or hear you as a serious person

 

[WapPride]

Lol. Gotta love blaming the police for the problems and not the criminals. I can fix this with one solution:

1) Stop committing crimes.

Not all crimes should be punishable by death… It’s not the 4th century.

Expecting more from the people who are paid to “protect and serve” shouldn’t be so polarizing. That’s also not even addressing the police going to the wrong locations and shooting innocent people: Breonna Taylor, Robert Dotson, Nakala Murray, and Ismael Lopez are just 4 in recent memory.

 

[scotchtiger]

Not all crimes should be punishable by death… It’s not the 4th century.

Expecting more from the people who are paid to “protect and serve” shouldn’t be so polarizing. That’s also not even addressing the police going to the wrong locations and shooting innocent people: Breonna Taylor, Robert Dotson, Nakala Murray, and Ismael Lopez are just 4 in recent memory.

Sure, we should work to improve some limited issues that exist. But those issues exist because we have total pieces of shit out there that threaten the lives of police officers every day. So yea, they make mistakes, but they could also lose their life at any moment trying to protect us. I'm sure I'd screw up at some point too.

 

[scotchtiger]

Not all crimes should be punishable by death… It’s not the 4th century.

Expecting more from the people who are paid to “protect and serve” shouldn’t be so polarizing. That’s also not even addressing the police going to the wrong locations and shooting innocent people: Breonna Taylor, Robert Dotson, Nakala Murray, and Ismael Lopez are just 4 in recent memory.

BTW, it's awful when innocent lives are lost, whether that be accidental issues from a police officer, or felonious acts towards a police officer. 73 officers were feloniously killed in 2021 and 60 in 2022. Presumably, all of these were "innocent" victims. Just horrible.

 

[PAWrocka]

Not all crimes should be punishable by death… It’s not the 4th century.

Expecting more from the people who are paid to “protect and serve” shouldn’t be so polarizing. That’s also not even addressing the police going to the wrong locations and shooting innocent people: Breonna Taylor, Robert Dotson, Nakala Murray, and Ismael Lopez are just 4 in recent memory.

Drug trafficking is punishable by death in Singapore. Easily the safest and cleanest city I’ve ever visited. Was there for 17 days, and didn’t hear a siren once.

I would also say that communities should embrace their police departments so that the ranks of of the police force are made up of people from the community.

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Lol. Gotta love blaming the police for the problems and not the criminals. I can fix this with one solution:

1) Stop committing crimes.

lol that’s so stupid. Why do you think people commit crime?

 

[PrimeIsGettingComfortable]

Needed to add to my thoughts

I just don’t see or hear you as a serious person

You provide nothing to these threads. Not one ounce of information. It’s just emotion and the same narratives that your orange idol peddles to you.

 

[loveoysters]

lol that’s so stupid. Why do you think people commit crime?

i will answer-because they are criminals

 

[WapPride]

Sure, we should work to improve some limited issues that exist. But those issues exist because we have total pieces of shit out there that threaten the lives of police officers every day. So yea, they make mistakes, but they could also lose their life at any moment trying to protect us. I'm sure I'd screw up at some point too.

BTW, it's awful when innocent lives are lost, whether that be accidental issues from a police officer, or felonious acts towards a police officer. 73 officers were feloniously killed in 2021 and 60 in 2022. Presumably, all of these were "innocent" victims. Just horrible.

Yes, losing your life in the line of duty is tragic; just like how it's tragic when officers kill innocent people/bystanders. You (read: universal you) want to reduce officers being killed in the line of duty? Enact stricter gun control laws. There's a reason that damn near every police officer association calls for stronger gun legislation (but naturally nothing gets acted upon.)

https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2019.08.06-Support-for-Gun-Violence-Legislation.pdf

https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/MCCA-Letters-on-Recent-Gun-Violence-Incidents.pdf

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2019-05/IACP%20Firearms%20Position%20Paper_2018%20(1).pdf

 

[WapPride]

Drug trafficking is punishable by death in Singapore. Easily the safest and cleanest city I’ve ever visited. Was there for 17 days, and didn’t hear a siren once.

I would also say that communities should embrace their police departments so that the ranks of of the police force are made up of people from the community.

Agreed with the 2nd part wholeheartedly.

I don't necessarily support the death penalty - with the rare exception of when there is no doubt of the guilt of the accused. The amount of people in prison for nonviolent drug offenses is staggering, and in many cases there are innocent wrongfully accused people serving time for said offenses. An automatic death sentence for those peddling drugs is not something I'd want replicated here in the US, mainly because the concept of someone innocent being put to death sickens me.

 

[BionicTiger]

Yes, losing your life in the line of duty is tragic; just like how it's tragic when officers kill innocent people/bystanders. You (read: universal you) want to reduce officers being killed in the line of duty? Enact stricter gun control laws. There's a reason that damn near every police officer association calls for stronger gun legislation (but naturally nothing gets acted upon.)

https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2019.08.06-Support-for-Gun-Violence-Legislation.pdf

https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/MCCA-Letters-on-Recent-Gun-Violence-Incidents.pdf

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2019-05/IACP%20Firearms%20Position%20Paper_2018%20(1).pdf

I’m all for stricter, sensible gun legislation. That said, how many firearms used in officer involved killings are owned legally. I’d be willing to bet a significant proportion are not.