Cops behaving badly… “just a few bad apples”
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This thread is a perfect example of what happens when a state doesn’t invest in education. The suggestions in this thread lack total nuance and are so simplistic that it is what Neanderthals would come up with. Research is a beautiful thing because it allows to solutions beyond “just punish them more!” Which at no point in time has proven to be effective.
Poor raising and no consequences
Shock their ass with a cattle prod and they would back off that crime stuff
What do you expect from a bunch of 50/60+ year olds from South Carolina public education who probably grew up under power lines with lead paint in their house?
They’re not playing with a full deck
FWIW, 40, private school education (until Clemson), no power lines or lead paint.
Oh, that wasn't directed at you. We may disagree on topics, but you're at least level headed and argue in good faith and I respect that.
If you really want to start an argument to get you off the rails
Based on studies and information instead of changing police training and policies you go to the source of the problem
Any male or female person found guilty of a serious crime would be sterilized so they could not bear children who based on research of genetics are predisposed to be criminals as their parents were.
Solved a lot of crimes just takes a few generations
First bold part? So if someone is breaking in your house or threatening you and you call 911, you want them to fist have you identify exactly who the person is and then have the police do background checks on them to see if they may possibly be mentality ill before the police can respond. Got it. Sounds completely reasonable and practical to do. So simple.
Second bold part? Do feel the same way about people who have committed crimes? If you have a criminal history of violent crime or theft, should you not be allowed to be employed in environments where violence or theft would be a problem? Do cops who made a mistake not get a second chance, or are those just for criminals?
I would say suppose being uneducated(dropping out of school), and not having a two parent home would represent a large portion of the why.
If not educated, you have limited options for income production that is legal. Why don't you research some on the % of dropouts who commit crimes vs those who completed at least high school and let us know what you find.
In a single parent home, you have less likelihood of being taught boundaries, learning respect for others, being molded into a productive member of society.
Easy answer - there are plenty of situations where cops are called for someone having a mental health episode. When it’s called in as such, have a therapist lead the interaction.
Second - communities need to trust police. If you violated that trust - and firings only happen for extreme negligence - then how can any other community trust you?
Why don’t you actually present this research vs throwing out your opinion and asking me to refute it?
The power of the two-parent home is not a myth
Among several disturbing elements of Christina Cross's New York Times op-ed, “The Myth of the Two-Parent Home,” is the author’s seeming belief that unless growing up with married parents has the same effect on black children as on white youngsters, it is not worthy of endorsement.
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Do children in two-parent families do better?
US and UK studies suggest on average, children of single parents fare worse on some measures.
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New research shows the power of a two-parent household
Study says fathers and mothers at home impact whether kids go to college, end up in jail or live in poverty, but there are racial differences.
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Less Poverty, Less Prison, More College: What Two Parents Mean For Black and White Children
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I like the have the therapist lead the interaction
So the therapist is awakened in the dead of night showing up with a notepad confronting a half naked person screaming armed with a knife or gun and being unarmed disarms the perp and by force of talking nice and reasonable solves the problem
I like the plan
Only problem is we probably need to increase the therapists as they will suffer more than likely aa very high mortality rate
But hey committed people to social justice don’t mind dying for the better good
Perhaps reading this will help.
Building mental health into emergency responses
More cities are pairing mental health professionals with police to better help people in crisis.
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Mental health crisis teams
Other police departments delegate specific law enforcement officers to mental health calls and involve mental health professionals whenever necessary. One of the oldest programs in the United States is the CAHOOTS public safety system in Eugene, Oregon, started in 1989, a model that many police departments and cities have looked to for guidance in developing their own programs. When a call involving a mental health crisis come s in to the CAHOOTS non-emergency line, responders send a medic and a trained mental health crisis worker; if the call involves violence or medical emergencies, they involve law enforcement. In 2019, out of 24,000 CAHOOTS calls, mobile teams only requested police backup 150 times. The city estimates that CAHOOTS saves taxpayers an average of $8.5 million per year by handling crisis calls that would otherwise fall to policeThere's actually been mental health professionals working in tandem with law enforcement in US cities for decades, and it's worked extremely well.
Denver’s Support Team Assisted Response (STAR) program, which launched in June 2020, similarly sends healthcare workers to respond to incidents related to mental health, poverty, homelessness, and substance use. Over the past 11 months, STAR has successfully responded to 1,323 calls. No one was injured or arrested, and police backup was never requested. Denver’s police chief has said the program “saves lives” and “prevents tragedies.”
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This makes a lot of sense if executed intelligently. I know for a period of time - and I’m not super educated on this front - that cities like Seattle and others implemented programs where mental health specialists/social workers were responding to certain types of calls. I don’t think some of those pilot programs went very well, but iirc it was social workers independently responding without law enforcement. I think you probably need both in most circumstances.
That said, I’d absolutely support a solution that integrated mental health professionals into certain law enforcement/emergency response pieces. Not sure how best to do that logistically. Do municipalities employ them full time? What calls do they go on/what triggers the mental health response? Do they go in in tandem? Independently? Again, I’d fully support adoption of mental health integration into law enforcement/emergency response. I just don’t know enough to discuss the finer points of how that would be implemented. I think it’s probably similar to tighter gun control/access laws. There probably isn’t a perfect solution, but a starting point is needed from which you can refine/change things as the body of evidence/data dictates.
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OP must be sitting posting in the prison. The only way I can imagine someone thinks all the lawbreakers are the good guys and all the cops are the bad guys. This is also on top all whites being racist I guess in his worldview.
"Coinciding with the reform, we document a sharp 44% reduction in the likelihood of dropping out of high school due to criminal justice involvement."
Research
Publications Police Violence and Civic Engagement (with Desmond Ang) American Political Science Review, 2023. Roughly a thousand people are killed by American law enforcement officers each year, accounting for more than 5% of all homicides. We estimate the causal impact of these events on civicwww.jonathantebes.com
This always seemed to be a violation of rights IMO. But ending stop and frisk reduces high school dropout rate by 44%. Even more harmful consequence of this policy.
do you have a reading disability or just wanted to completely misrepresent what was stated?
i mean i get kids make mistakes and there should be efforts made to prevent kids from getting tied up in the justice system, especially if we're talking anything non-violent/not distributing hard drugs. that said, you know where this solution starts? in the fkn home. raise your gd kids. that's on the parents. that's on the schools. you know who doesn't get tied up in the criminal justice system due to stop and frisk? kids who aren't breaking the law.
you can btch and moan til you're blue in the face about systemic racism, institutional racism, policy brutality, stop and frisk, antitransformerism....whatever it is tomorrow. you can come up with every excuse under the sun to lower the bar for some because victimhood and all you're doing is lowering their expectations for themselves. you can implement as many nonsensical rules to prevent anyone who happens to be a certain color, religion, sexuality, a new gender etc from being held accountable and all you're doing is enabling young people to grow into adults who believe they're entitled to do whatever they want without consequence. you know where that gets you? more shtty parents raising more rudderless kids to have their worst habits enabled perpetually until they wind up dead or in jail.
this is not a remotely complicated solution. the only, and i mean only answer to improving the quality of life and chances of success for kids in underprivileged areas is really fkn simple...parents raising children. that means discipline, accountability, and expectations. the problem people have with that answer is it actually means they need to take responsibility for themselves and their kids.
obviously the long answer needs to be more communal and nuanced given the realities of how many individual situations leave many kids without almost any parental guidance etc. i get that. it also doesn't change the only solution. however it's done, the bottom line is if kids don't have discipline, expectations, or are held accountable, they have almost no chance. you can throw money at the school systems or community programs, you can lower standards, you can make exceptions with rules, you can do whatever the hell you want....none of it will make a gd difference. kids need people around them who give a sht about them as well as hold raise them with expectations, and they need to understand consequences. it's simple. do it, or don't.
you'd gain more knowledge watching paint dry than reading nonsense papers with manipulated statistics like these though. the solution is always in the mirror.
This is a good list that doesn't solve the problem.
It's the culture of policing and guns in America.
Shooting people, even "bad" people shouldn't be celebrated.
Police shouldn't see themselves in an adversarial relationship with the public, but they do, I have a bunch of friends who are/were police. It's them versus us. And, given that they have the power, they are the ones who will dictate the terms of engagement.
Change the whole ****ing culture.
Ashli thinks you’re full of shit. Oh wait, that was the hard R’s flip flopping on the don’t be a criminal thing.
Truth.
My favorite is all the cops and LEO culture celebrating and promoting the punisher as if that’s someone worth emulating. The damn creator had to come out and literally state that the punisher and cops weren’t on the same side despite them all hero worshipping him.
Babbit? She deserved to get shot. I watched the tape.
This shit isn’t hard. Don’t commit major fvck ups and you’ll probably be okay. Like try not to pass counterfeit cash while high on fentynal.
Too far?
Don't kill unarmed people without just cause and you'll probably be okay.
And if you do happen to kill an unarmed person without cause, claim self-defense.
What specific action did she take to justify being killed? Keep in mind there were hundreds of other people in that building and some were being given tours by the policemen.
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This cannot be justified in my mind and my feeling has nothing to do with skin color at all.
"At 2:45 p.m., or within one minute after shooting Ashli, Lt. Byrd made the following radio call:
405B. We got shots fired in the lobby. We got shots shots fired in the lobby of the House chamber. Shots are being fired at us and we’re sh, uhh, prepared to fire back at them. We have guns drawn. Please don’t leave that end. Don’t leave that end.
Approximately 35 seconds later, Lt. Byrd made another radio call, stating, “405B. We got an injured person. I believe that person was shot.” In fact, no shots were fired at Lt. Byrd or his fellow officers. The only shot fired was the single shot Lt. Byrd fired at Ashli. He heard the loud noise of the gunshot. He saw her fall backwards from the window frame.
The facts speak truth. Ashli was ambushed when she was shot by Lt. Byrd. Multiple witnesses at the scene yelled, 'you just murdered her.'
Lt. Byrd was never charged or otherwise punished or disciplined for Ashli’s homicide."
"At 2:45 p.m., or within one minute after shooting Ashli, Lt. Byrd made the following radio call:
405B. We got shots fired in the lobby. We got shots shots fired in the lobby of the House chamber. Shots are being fired at us and we’re sh, uhh, prepared to fire back at them. We have guns drawn. Please don’t leave that end. Don’t leave that end.
Approximately 35 seconds later, Lt. Byrd made another radio call, stating, “405B. We got an injured person. I believe that person was shot.” In fact, no shots were fired at Lt. Byrd or his fellow officers. The only shot fired was the single shot Lt. Byrd fired at Ashli. He heard the loud noise of the gunshot. He saw her fall backwards from the window frame.
The facts speak truth. Ashli was ambushed when she was shot by Lt. Byrd. Multiple witnesses at the scene yelled, 'you just murdered her.'
Lt. Byrd was never charged or otherwise punished or disciplined for Ashli’s homicide."
She was trying to use a counterfeit $20 bill and had fentanyl in her system.
What do you mean? It's the truth. I read it on donaldtrumpisadraftdodger.com
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