DeepSeek is Cheap Chinese Propaganda Trick

[PalmettoTiger1]

The CCP is a smart cookie

Fake it till you can make it.

The AI demo was all fabricated and staged to look like it was going to be a winner in the AI race

Well folks tell me why because I don’t think it is legit

 

[tigres88]

Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.

 

[SGTiger]

Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.

Get sicker because MAGA is winning bigly

USA USA USA GO MAGA GO

Suggest moving to third world country

 

[dpic73]

Get sicker because MAGA is winning bigly

USA USA USA GO MAGA GO

Suggest moving to third world country

If he just waits a year or so, he'll already be living in one.

 

[scotchtiger]

My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

If he just waits a year or so, he'll already be living in one.

so you say and hope

wish for something you can get

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.

My sources say different but I will agree that there is a reckoning coming on who wins

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

If he just waits a year or so, he'll already be living in one.

Your contacts are broken.

 

[firegiver]

Hrmmmm. Well I'm not able to research this at length. However, if there's one thing g I know for certain, if they open sourced there algorithms.... and they have, we will know for certain if they are full of shit shortly.

 

[firegiver]

My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.

Is your company fortune 100?

 

[iceheart08]

The CCP is a smart cookie

Fake it till you can make it.

The AI demo was all fabricated and staged to look like it was going to be a winner in the AI race

Well folks tell me why because I don’t think it is legit

Man. You can use it now. It's an impressive model. You are missing the mark on the problem.

But you ARE right that this is likely Chinese propaganda.

Again, not because it doesn't work. It does, it works quite well. They gathered some of chinas best developers on that team to build it.

The propaganda and lies come in when they start talking about the resources used to create it. It's almost certain they used restricted chips, at a scale that is surprising. They definitely definitely spent a lot more money on development than they are claiming and the price structure could be the result of gov. support.

We don't know the answers, other than to say we can be certain what we are being told isn't the actual truth.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Hrmmmm. Well I'm not able to research this at length. However, if there's one thing g I know for certain, if they open sourced there algorithms.... and they have, we will know for certain if they are full of shit shortly.

To be clear I know nothing of value in regards to the technical aspect

I worked with a large US defense contractor and have old contacts that are skeptical

I am also under NDA restrictions and unlike the 51 former Intelligence guys I have clean Clearance record and am not tainted

Time is going to tell

To metaphor this WE ARE IN A RACE IN THE FIRST TURN

The finish is going to be crazy

US military cannot use the Chinese version

 

[scotchtiger]

Is your company fortune 100?

No we are pre-IPO

 

[firegiver]

Buying Nvidia stock yesterday was a smart play.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Buying Nvidia stock yesterday was a smart play.

Last year I selectively invested in what most people call the super 7

The Invidia in my wife ‘s portfolio has made her look like a stock picker genius

I am myself still wondering snd skeptical on IA and how to use it without creating problems

 

[iceheart08]

Buying Nvidia stock yesterday was a smart play.

20% discount!

I dumped almost all of my reserves in.

Deepseek was still made with Nvidia chips. So whatever the truth is on the amount of resources needed, it still an Nvidia product. Nobody else can do what Nvidia leads the world in.

 

[PAWrocka]

A few universal truths

1) the Chinese are nothing but thieves and liars
2) everything of value that the Chinese have, they stole
3) everything the Chinese created on their own, is shitty.

Hope this helps.

 

[fatpiggy]

My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.

This. If you build it they will come.

I keep hearing about Jevons Paradox.

 

[fatpiggy]

Found it


Jevons Paradox is an economic theory that suggests that as technological progress or policy changes increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, the rate of consumption of that resource may increase rather than decrease. This counterintuitive outcome was first observed by the English economist William Stanley Jevons in his 1865 book "The Coal Question."

Jevons noticed that as the efficiency of coal use in steam engines improved, the overall consumption of coal did not decrease but instead increased. His reasoning was that with more efficient use, the effective price or cost of using coal went down, which in turn made its use more attractive, leading to an increase in demand. Here's how it typically unfolds:

1. Efficiency Improvement: A technology or policy leads to more efficient use of a resource, e.g., better fuel efficiency in cars.
2. Decrease in Effective Cost: The cost per unit of utility (like miles per gallon) decreases, making the resource cheaper relative to its utility.
3. Increased Consumption: This efficiency can lead to a "rebound effect" where people use more of the resource because it's now cheaper in terms of utility. For instance, if cars become more fuel-efficient, people might drive more, negating some or all of the energy-saving benefits.
4. Overall Increase in Use: Despite the initial aim to conserve the resource, total consumption might go up due to increased use or new uses becoming economically viable.

This paradox is particularly relevant in discussions about energy efficiency, environmental policies, and resource management. It challenges the straightforward assumption that efficiency gains will lead to reduced resource use. Instead, it suggests that efficiency must be coupled with other measures like taxation or regulation to achieve actual reductions in resource consumption.

For example, in the context of energy:

• Energy Efficiency: More efficient light bulbs or appliances.
• Rebound Effect: People might leave lights on longer or buy more energy-consuming devices because energy seems cheaper per unit of light or work done.
• Net Effect: The overall energy use might not decrease as much as expected or could even increase.

Thus, when designing policies or technologies aimed at conservation, it's crucial to consider Jevons Paradox to avoid unintended consequences where efficiency leads to higher consumption.

 

[fatpiggy]

Buying Nvidia stock yesterday was a smart play.

Or was it?

 

[hinds62]

Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.

Well, those of us that were on the "right" during the recent election are no longer sick of the Biden administrations incompetence. The American voters took care of that situation in a very demonstrative way. Clean up your party and get rid of all the far left folks and you may have an opportunity in the next election.

 

[WapPride]

Well, those of us that were on the "right" during the recent election are no longer sick of the Biden administrations incompetence. The American voters took care of that situation in a very demonstrative way. Clean up your party and get rid of all the far left folks and you may have an opportunity in the next election.

A month into the new administration and we already have the largest airline disaster since 9/11.

Loving all the winning and competence!

 

[moradatiger70]

20% discount!

I dumped almost all of my reserves in.

Deepseek was still made with Nvidia chips. So whatever the truth is on the amount of resources needed, it still an Nvidia product. Nobody else can do what Nvidia leads the world in.

I like it when this board sees things the same way.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

A month into the new administration and we already have the largest airline disaster since 9/11.

Loving all the winning and competence!

The disaster was a culmination of DEI and a failure by the Obama and Biden of supporting competence and meritocracy in hiring quality air traffic controllers

The slow but certain decay of the air traffic control system is 100% on the Democratic Party

and people who vote and support incompetence in life and death jobs

May you be blessed with all of your life threatening moments have a DEI alumnus serving you with less than competence you desire

 

[UrHuckleberry]

All I know is they really missed a great opportunity to name it ChatCCP

 

[WapPride]

The disaster was a culmination of DEI and a failure by the Obama and Biden of supporting competence and meritocracy in hiring quality air traffic controllers

The slow but certain decay of the air traffic control system is 100% on the Democratic Party

and people who vote and support incompetence in life and death jobs

May you be blessed with all of your life threatening moments have a DEI alumnus serving you with less than competence you desire

I love the DEI boogeyman you melvins are constantly using. There's no evidence whatsoever DEI had anything to do with it, but you gotta have your buzzword boogeyman to keep the simpletons riled up.

 

[dpic73]

The disaster was a culmination of DEI and a failure by the Obama and Biden of supporting competence and meritocracy in hiring quality air traffic controllers

The slow but certain decay of the air traffic control system is 100% on the Democratic Party

and people who vote and support incompetence in life and death jobs

May you be blessed with all of your life threatening moments have a DEI alumnus serving you with less than competence you desire

Leave it to you to make such an elementary argument about an issue we know you know nothing about. Wild how all the MAGAs are now experts in DEI initiatives and the hiring practices for the FAA under the Obama and Biden administrations lol. But if their hiring practices were so bad, does it make sense to fire thousands of people in the aviation space all at once, including the people at the top, without capable replacements ready at the jump? Sorry dude, you own this one.

 

[SGTiger]

Leave it to you to make such an elementary argument about an issue we know you know nothing about. Wild how all the MAGAs are now experts in DEI initiatives and the hiring practices for the FAA under the Obama and Biden administrations lol. But if their hiring practices were so bad, does it make sense to fire thousands of people in the aviation space all at once, including the people at the top, without capable replacements ready at the jump? Sorry dude, you own this one.

DEI before merit. What could go wrong?

 

[DW4_2016]

To be clear I know nothing of value in regards to the technical aspect

I worked with a large US defense contractor and have old contacts that are skeptical

I am also under NDA restrictions and unlike the 51 former Intelligence guys I have clean Clearance record and am not tainted

Time is going to tell

To metaphor this WE ARE IN A RACE IN THE FIRST TURN

The finish is going to be crazy

US military cannot use the Chinese version

Eight words was enough for this post. You finally told the truth and I want to congratulate you for it.

 

[DW4_2016]

The disaster was a culmination of DEI and a failure by the Obama and Biden of supporting competence and meritocracy in hiring quality air traffic controllers

The slow but certain decay of the air traffic control system is 100% on the Democratic Party

and people who vote and support incompetence in life and death jobs

May you be blessed with all of your life threatening moments have a DEI alumnus serving you with less than competence you desire

Nobody passes the buck like a modern day member of the party of personal responsibility.

 

[SGTiger]

DEI over merit is a roadmap to mediocrity. Employee mediocrity is devastating in certain jobs. No matter the color, no matter the sexual preference, just choose the best. It can't be DEI and hope we get lucky.