Incorrect. This crap gets hidden in huge bills and is not even discussed. Senate and house are in on it too. They have benefited from kickbacks imo.
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The part about them discussing these fraudulent expenditures written into bills.
I made two declarations. The budget is public and the budget was voted on by Congress.
Are you saying you can’t find the USAID budget online or that they didn’t vote for it?
Because otherwise you aren’t arguing with me. People arguing with an extreme that I am not when talking to me is exhausting.
You disagree with how that budget is spending its funds, I get it. I don’t love it all either. I feel like it’s often part of compromise, both sides getting money for things the other doesn’t agree with. All part of negotiation. But that does mean I don’t agree with all of it. But spending money on something you don’t love isn’t fraud. And it was all public budget items. If people were getting large kickbacks, I would want them prosecuted. Haven’t seen that charge yet though. Just screenshots of things that were public.
I’m curious what your thoughts on how the previous administration handled Covid. Specifically the multiple lies that they told the American people that had dire impacts on them. Did they ever apologize or say that they got that wrong. I mean if it’s good for the goose right?
So whataboutism?
How about anytime in his entire life Trump has said he was wrong? Just one time?
So you can’t answer whether or not the previous administration pulled off the biggest lie of the century because Trump?
Just try to answer my question.
What are you thoughts about the lies and lack of apology from the Biden administration regarding Covid.
Did Biden or Fauci,for that matter, admit wrongdoing?
Thx.
You never saw the coverage where the bill with thousands of pages had to be voted on when most of the reps wouldn't even have time to read it? The Biden build back better green new deal bill is a prime example. The omnibus spending bills being thousands of pages also are examples.
What lies are you referring to?
Wait, are you calling updated medical knowledge, making previously held understandings obsolete a "lie"
Now, how about address Trump since that was the question?
They know this, it’s just another deflection. The point the current administration is trying to make is “let’s eliminate this crap.” The left wants to play games like this, yes of course it was approved but as mentioned it’s tied to all kinds of other nonsense. And the bills are unreadable, they don’t have time to review them, much less the American people. It’s the same lame argument about where the contraceptive USAID funds were going - “oh you said Gaza but it’s actually in Mozambique so you’re wrong” or “oh it was approved by congress in a bill with 10000 pages of inflation relief so we voted on it and approved.” Uh no. That’s incorrect and I think at least a couple on here know that but want to be dishonest.
Another example would be Ukraine. We are “approving” funding for them at an alarming rate yet I don’t know one person that agrees with that. Those arguments don’t work because they’re lies.
Lab leak
Origin
Funding
Vaccine effectiveness
“Winter of death for unvaccinated” - Joe Biden
Pardon of Fauci
Those are the easy ones literally every single person will know.
What you call a lie, are issues with nuance that require some intelligence.
And, the vaccine was effective for the intended virus, and did lessen severity for those vaccinated. Most of the deaths post-vaccine availability were the unvaccinated, so it was hardly a lie, perhaps it was a little over exaggerated for effect.
Now back to the original question. Trump?
You're still making a separate argument. And I even agree with you. There should be a time between the bill being available and the bill being voted on. I think its horribly disingenuous to act like that is only a Democrat issue. That is politics. Which I'm with you. Sucks. Hate it. Still doesn't make it fraud. (doesn't mean there isn't fraud in there, like I said, find it, prove it, prosecute it). Do you have an example of actual fraud? Or just things being given money you disagree with?
Bro, my company, a billion dollar company, was threatening termination for not being vaxxed based on the administrations recommendations. You can GFY. This is why most of America voted the way they did, your side is full of shit. People lost their jobs, their families, their businesses and their lives because of a horrible response and a continuing of perpetuating the lies. There’s nothing even comparable in recent history to what those monsters did. It’s peanuts compared to claiming you came up with a book. Millions and millions of Americans were destroyed over these blatant and debunked lies. You’re a joke.
The vaccine is a literal cardiovascular disease in a vial and that’s been proven countless times as well. You’re just lying. It was never marketed for lessening severity. We were told ad nauseum by the administration and Fauci that the vaccine prevented the spread of the virus. You’re lying.
Omg. Yes it is politics. Yes it’s on both sides. That. Is. What. We. Are. Saying.
It has to stop. Republicans are just as bad. This administration is not just cutting things from liberal causes. Good grief everything is just partisan on here. Does anyone have an independent thought? I support Rand Paul btw.
Republicans are complicit also. DOGE is a govt department now and what they are doing will hold up as legal. This will eliminate the fraudulent spending. It's a defacto line item veto.
My message was literally bipartisan. I was pushing back on him starting his message saying "Incorrect" when nothing I said was incorrect. That is all. I am happy to slam the democrats playing games. I don't have a single politician I think is above repute. And it gets old when people on here can apply all the tongue twisting nuance in the world to explain why Trump or Elon weren't wrong (you still haven't address the outrageous lie by Trump, the leader of the free world, that he hasn't walked back), and then use zero nuance to discuss the left. So spare that indignation. You've made some comments on here that I do believe shows you aren't just 100% on the train. But still feels like you allow zero nuance for anything on the left, why we may think the way we do, do what we do, compromise, etc. Was the entire point of this thread originally. Why does the left think XYZ. I explained some reasons I believe what I do, or what part of DEI I do agree with, and immediately all the arguments are against things I'm not saying because people can't apply nuance.
I get it. But you can’t whine about trump not being honest when we just had four years of zero transparency. See Covid for one example. Call it both ways.
If it’s good for trump it’s good for Biden. That would be fair right?
Lies are lies. You can’t be outraged by one and complicit to the other.
Start using AI more.
Upgrades coming daily. It now asks you questions. For example, at the end of the answer it asks, what do you think of my answer? How would you agree or disagree?
So much for it won't teach you to think critically.
I think we are probably 1-2 years away from reasoning AI. It's absolutely incredible for those paying attention.
Can you share a quote of an outright lie on a level playing field as "USAID gave 50mm worth of condoms to Hamas to make bombs"? Happy to discuss the quotes. I didn't love Biden. I truly didn't, and no one that's followed me on here could honestly tell you that I did (despite everyone liking to say things like, "you said he was sharp as a tack", etc. Never happened).
44,000 people in the social security database received payments that shouldn't have.
Now, i'll be done for the day. Go waste someone else's time. IF you choose not to see the fraud, that's on you.
It's not that you said "He was sharp as a tack" its that you didn't refute it when it was obvious to the world. You went along with the game and in the process lost a lot of credibility.
Thats a collective you, not a personal you.
Sheeeeeesh my guy audit your consumption, please.
Are you saying the left authorized those in the budget? Or are you saying 44,000 people are frauding the US SSA? Happy to review a link, a quick google of "44000 social security fraud" came up with a lot of links about Musk claims, but nothing specifically with that number that I quickly found.
I will once again state that I am game to root out corruption, find fraud, etc. Am just tired of things that are in the public budget being screenshot and posted as fraud, etc. And am tired of things being screenshot and blasted out with zero vetting of it or deeper understanding. Things are taken as 100% true and ran with, and when walked back, it's often too late. (often a criticism of MSM too, which I have a problem with, though they publicly walk things back more than I've seen Trump).
Amazing that there's this list of fraud that would break the servers, but it's so hard to share.
Sure, sure - you were also parroting Elon when he said that dead people were receiving checks and the new head of the SSA says that's false.
New Social Security chief contradicts claims that millions of dead people are getting payouts
The new head of the Social Security Administration says deceased centenarians are “not necessarily receiving benefits."
apnews.com
Biden warns of winter of ‘severe illness and death’ for unvaccinated due to Omicron | CNN Politics
President Joe Biden on Thursday warned people who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 are looking at a very bleak and dangerous winter if they do not get their shots soon.
I still haven’t seen an actual video of him saying what you claim either fyi.
Do appreciate the last line, because it gets old being argued with as if I am everything people hate about the other side. I'm sure I do that some with the conservatives on here too and am not immune but try to address claims within posts or at least put disclaimers if not.
Will note that I complained about Biden significantly more with the people in my life around me over the last 4 years a lot more than I do on here because on here, I am often discussing ideas, pushing back on nonsensical lies (like condoms to Hamas), etc. This board leans heavy right, so I find myself pushing back here a lot more than in my life with my friends, who do lean left, so I have very different discussions with them.
I guess I just think it's ridiculous that trying to get people to get vaccinated (which it does or does not help lessen the severity or chances of severe illness and death?) is not on the same level as stating the other side is sending 50mm worth of condoms to be made into bombs. I had a lot of friends in healthcare who were overwhelmed in hospitals. I do agree that saying "you're protected from severe illness and death" isn't accurate. As you aren't protected, your chances are just less. Words do matter though and that wasn't true. Just not an equivalency for me with an outrageous lie that only serves to rile people up. Biden's "lie" only served to...get more people vaccinated?Biden warns of winter of ‘severe illness and death’ for unvaccinated due to Omicron | CNN Politics
President Joe Biden on Thursday warned people who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 are looking at a very bleak and dangerous winter if they do not get their shots soon.amp.cnn.com
I still haven’t seen an actual video of him saying what you claim either fyi.
USAID and similar. I call it fraudulent but you may disagree.
I guess, explain why you call it fraudulent then? Genuinely asking. What is fraud about it? Waste I get. Misuse of funds I get. But fraud is saying its one thing, but the funds going into someone else's pockets, or saying its one thing, and sending the funds elsewhere. If that is happening, I truly want to know. And I hope they prosecute to the fullest extent, regardless of which side they're on.
How is something that was part of a bill, voted on by Congress, who were elected by us Fraud?
You might not like what it went to,but it's not fraud.
So lying to millions of Americans to take an experimental vaccine that is made by drug companies protected from litigation isn’t a big lie?
Speaking of words, you’re leaving out a very important word in the quote you’re attributing to Trump. Throw that balloon word in and it makes the context more palatable. But we know your side loves censorship and misinformation.
Once I reach the point of talking past each other, I just don't care about arguing on the internet with people enough to continue. It's all good. We disagree. Happens.
I’m not talking past you sir. You misrepresented and misquoted something. I called you on it. You didn’t like it.
I asked why you’re so adamant about truth when it comes to condoms in Gaza but not mandates of experimental vaccines. You didn’t like it. I’m not in your echo chamber but I assure you most folks agree with me.
It's my personal feelings on this. We still haven't got the full story yet. Trump is stating kickbacks occurred and I think that will be the case. It's definitely at minimum morally fraudulent activity against the American taxpayers.
