Deion Sanders spoke the cold hard truth yesterday about black culture

I'm sorry, I missed the 'black culture' part

Its a part of black culture for sure. “That foolish game” encompasses a lot of different point.

When about 6.5% of the population commits more than 50% of the violent crimes there should be acknowledgment that there is a problem. This isn't something that a person like me who is white and in his 50s can fix. It's going to have to come from within.

We have a lot of problems that are well beyond the boundaries of race but the violent crime issue is something that has to be addressed by the black community. I don't know why that's controversial to say when it's so obviously true.

Where did you get the statistics that you cited above? Seriously, just wondering.
 
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Me. You ever have spades or dice at a cookout? Migos, or other rappers ever come up in conversation?
Know people that aren’t about anything other than hood life?
We have a 40% drop out rate. How many of your friends or family dropped out or work a dead end job?

Thats black culture. And its what Sanders was talking about when he told his tram to leave all that behind.

Wow.
 
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not trying to assign what deion was addressing here or go down that road, but i will say this about him: i have a ton of respect for him as a man after the documentary of him at jackson state. never had any dislike for him, just never knew anything about him other than watching him play. he seemed to genuinely care about the kids on his team and even the surrounding community. i wouldn't have guessed he'd be as deliberate as he was in monitoring behavior off the field in terms of presenting themselves the right way, being in class, grades - essentially football went hand in hand with discipline and accountability off the field as much as on. was good to see someone with voice that carries the influence his does really caring about making a difference for people
 

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Jeeez Let ‘em have some fun. It’s not like they’re headed up to East Lansing
 

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When about 6.5% of the population commits more than 50% of the violent crimes there should be acknowledgment that there is a problem. This isn't something that a person like me who is white and in his 50s can fix. It's going to have to come from within.

We have a lot of problems that are well beyond the boundaries of race but the violent crime issue is something that has to be addressed by the black community. I don't know why that's controversial to say when it's so obviously true.
There are lots of organizations that seek to address crime in black neighborhoods but they get 1% of the publicity
 

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Threads/conversations that talk about the “problem with black culture” always make me kinda cringe because (I’m not saying you’re doing this) they end up talking down and lecturing and not addressing real issues. Poverty in this country is racialized. Race and socio-economic issues are closely intertwined. I live in Chicago. It’s the most segregated city in the country. I went to Clemson. It’s ~8% black while the state as a whole is 25-30% (it was 50+% once upon a time). Those issues are all connected
 

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Jackson State football coach Deion Sanders said he will not allow his players to leave their hotel this weekend when they face Texas Southern in Houston, where rapper Takeoff, 28, was shot and killed at a bowling alley early Tuesday morning.


Sanders said family members and friends who want to see players before Saturday's game will have to visit the team's hotel.
"I'm just sick and tired of the consistency of people that are influential to you are leaving us consistently: That's our rappers," Sanders said, per video of his message. "Takeoff was murdered in a dice game in Houston, where we're going. So that eliminates all of y'all leaving that hotel. Because it ain't happening until I give you further notice."
Along with Quavo and Offset, Takeoff, whose real name was Kirshnik Khari Ball, was one-third of Migos, who've had multiple chart-topping hits over the past decade, including "Bad and Boujee" and "Fight Night."
Takeoff was a sports fan who joined his group to perform with Pharrell Williams at halftime of the NBA All-Star Game in 2018. Last week, Quavo and Takeoff released their first album as a duo separate from Offset, "Only Built for Infinity Links."
Migos had bonds with a variety of pro athletes, especially Atlanta Hawks star Trae Young, who tweeted Tuesday that he was shocked by the news of Takeoff's killing.
Per reports, Quavo and Takeoff were at a bowling alley in Houston around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday when shots were fired and Takeoff was struck and killed. Houston police officials told reporters they are investigating the killing.
On Tuesday, Sanders told his players to be mindful of their surroundings and relationships as they prepare for Saturday's road game.
Jackson State hosted ESPN's College GameDay on Saturday before a 35-0 win over Southern that brought its record to 8-0.
"I don't want you all playing that foolish game because you all are valuable to your families, friends, loved ones, and you're valuable to us," he said. "Let's think about that. Let's pray for the families
I am surprised that they have been allowed to leave the hotel the night before the game.
 
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One thing that needs to be considered by a lot of these young rich guys who came from nothing is that you can give back to your neighborhood without attaching yourself socially to all of the problem people that are living there as adults. He could have taken the guys he knows in Houston to a casino or to a hotel suite to play dice without surrounding himself with the characters he wasn't familiar with.
People he didn’t know had nothing to do with this, just FYI.
 
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Me. You ever have spades or dice at a cookout? Migos, or other rappers ever come up in conversation?
Know people that aren’t about anything other than hood life?
We have a 40% drop out rate. How many of your friends or family dropped out or work a dead end job?

Thats black culture. And its what Sanders was talking about when he told his tram to leave all that behind.
What. In. The. ****.
 

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I think you would find the lack of two parent homes and low (high school) graduation rates are primary factors in socio-economic status and that those two factors are much more prevalent in the black community. I think the aforementioned factors are much more likely to impact socio-economic status/poverty than race alone. I would love to see some stats on the poverty percentage of kids from two parent homes with that finished high school vs those from single parent homes that did not graduate. I would be willing to bet the poverty rate among those from two parent homes who graduated high school is much less lopsided among different races.
This is not to say racism does not exist, bc it certainly does. However, I think poverty and socio-economic status is driven primarily by factors other than race.
 

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Yeah, OP. You shit the bed with your thread title. Deion was not opining on “black culture”. Congrats outing yourself as a racist.
 

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These issues that may seem foreign exist on Clemsons campus. Not to go back to 2020 completely, but there were lots of posts from folks that were oblivious to the reality of racial issues in our communitythat our players faced daily.
I don't disagree with your statement pertaining the racial ignorance of some on here. After all we had someone make a disgusting comment about blacks and Democrats and it was loved by his fellow fools however this title of your article is weird.

After all it was a dice game and I have been in a couple that went sideways. It also explains why I never got into dice. Tonk is a different story though
 
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I think you would find the lack of two parent homes and low (high school) graduation rates are primary factors in socio-economic status and that those two factors are much more prevalent in the black community.
I see this talking point really needs updated and thrown away

 
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Threads/conversations that talk about the “problem with black culture” always make me kinda cringe because (I’m not saying you’re doing this) they end up talking down and lecturing and not addressing real issues. Poverty in this country is racialized. Race and socio-economic issues are closely intertwined. I live in Chicago. It’s the most segregated city in the country. I went to Clemson. It’s ~8% black while the state as a whole is 25-30% (it was 50+% once upon a time). Those issues are all connected
I agree. I grew up in Government housing until i was about middle school and neither of my parents graduated HS. They raised 3 kids and neither made more than $8 an hour until I was probably 16 years old. That was 1999-2000. I graduated HS in 2003 and went to work and made $40k a year by 2005 was instantly making more money than both of my parents.

My family has always been dirt poor. No credit, repossessions out the roof. 1 car and sometime no car in the family. We recently did an ancestor type thing and turns out my Ancestor were indentured servants on the Queen Anne. Go figure. They settled in West VA and I remember my great-grandparents not having running water and power in West VA. That was in the 90's.

I'm white. So, I have a real big problem when someone looks at me now and thinks I enjoyed some type of "white privilege." We've never had jack crap and the only thing I was privileged to have was a new day and breathing fresh air. Poverty and ignorance knows no race. We always had issues with Cops. We were profiled like a book. But that's because we looked like poor white trash and oh by the way, we probably always had drugs on us. At least someone at all times. I remember not wanting to hang out with "rich white kids". That's what we called them. They weren't like us. We were actually raised to think we were cooler than people who didn't do drugs as teenagers and tried to do the right things. Think about that?! Who was dumb? Talk about white trash culture and mentality.

My parents were dumb. They quit school. Had kids at 18. Didn't save money. The did what "my family "has always done, shun anyone who tried to better themselves by reminding people "don't forget where you came from". I'll never forget, because I never want anything to do with it. I want as far away from it and anyone else who doesn't want to work hard to have better.

Things have significantly changed in my family over the last 15-20 years. Everyone is night and day from where we were. My brothers and their kids are doing excellent! But it didn't come easy and certainly was and is almost always met with resistance. Fortunately, my son has zero clue about "where we came from" and how I was raised. He thinks we're rich, lol.

My biggest fear, he doesn't appreciate how hard I worked to give him this. I alienated friends and family to escape it. I completely changed what I thought was cool. I became a completely different person. I talk different. I dress different. That's what it takes to break the chains. I never asked for a dime. I just worked my ass off and lost some friends. What's the real issue? Work ethic and determination.
 
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When about 6.5% of the population commits more than 50% of the violent crimes there should be acknowledgment that there is a problem. This isn't something that a person like me who is white and in his 50s can fix. It's going to have to come from within.

We have a lot of problems that are well beyond the boundaries of race but the violent crime issue is something that has to be addressed by the black community. I don't know why that's controversial to say when it's so obviously true.
At the same time should pedophile, ephebophilia and rape be addressed by the white community since 70% are committed by whites?

You may want to look at the FBI statistics by race before you start pulling 💩 out as facts.
 
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I see this talking point really needs updated and thrown away

I'm not sure what you think that data shows, and maybe I am missing what you want me to see. The vast majority of single parent homes are single mothers. Additionally, single parent father data by race is even more disparate than single mothers- so lets just stick with single mother data( all from the article you posted). It indicates that there are approximately two times as many single parent white females(61%) homes as black females(31%). Based on population percentages there should be approximately 4.3 times more white female single parents since whites make up 59.3% vs 13.6% black. That means black children are 2 times more likely to be from a single parent home. Am I missing something? What are you trying to point out with that data?
 
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At the same time should pedophile, ephebophilia and rape be addressed by the white community since 70% are committed by whites?

You may want to look at the FBI statistics by race before you start pulling 💩 out as facts.
You may want to do some more math on that one. Per FBI stats white accts for 70% of rapes while accounting for 59% of the population. Blacks account for 27% of rapes while accounting for 13.6% of the population. So, while whites percentages slightly exceed there percentage of the population, blacks are about double their percentage of the population. If either population needs to address this specific issue, the data clearly suggests it is the black community.
 

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I'm not sure what you think that data shows, and maybe I am missing what you want me to see. The vast majority of single parent homes are single mothers. Additionally, single parent father data by race is even more disparate than single mothers- so lets just stick with single mother data( all from the article you posted). It indicates that there are approximately two times as many single parent white females(61%) homes as black females(31%). Based on population percentages there should be approximately 4.3 times more white female single parents since whites make up 59.3% vs 13.6% black. That means black children are 2 times more likely to be from a single parent home. Am I missing something? What are you trying to point out with that data?

You may want to do some more math on that one. Per FBI stats white accts for 70% of rapes while accounting for 59% of the population. Blacks account for 27% of rapes while accounting for 13.6% of the population. So, while whites percentages slightly exceed there percentage of the population, blacks are about double their percentage of the population. If either population needs to address this specific issue, the data clearly suggests it is the black community.
Sheer numbers considering white population makes up 66% of the country and these horrendous crimes or single parent home is overwhelming white.

Using speculation as you pointed out, could you say if black's was the majority with the systematic advantages, social dynamics and suburban and rural environment would it be same?
 
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Sheer numbers considering white population makes up 66% of the country and these horrendous crimes or single parent home is overwhelming white.

Using speculation as you pointed out, could you say if black's was the majority with the systematic advantages, social dynamics and suburban and rural environment would it be same?
Fine, lets talk about sheer numbers. In that case, white people are twice as likely to be killed by police than black people. I guess there is systematic racism toward white people among law enforcement.
I certainly don't believe that, but talking about sheer numbers is just moronic. If you apply that to poverty, white people are twice as likely to be poor as black people.
 
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Fine, lets talk about sheer numbers. In that case, white people are twice as likely to be killed by police than black people. I guess there is systematic racism toward white people among law enforcement.
I certainly don't believe that, but talking about sheer numbers is just moronic. If you apply that to poverty, white people are twice as likely to be poor as black people.
You didn't like my counterpoint and whataboutism question so you decided to go off the deep end 😂

Actually the "single parent" population consensus is outdated. Often in single parent households the other parent is involved and I am not talking about popping up on birthday's. Some woman are choosing to be a single parent with shared parenting. What constituted a single parent in the 1980s is different today. Then again marriage was more of the custom prior to getting pregnant let alone sex.
 

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You didn't like my counterpoint and whataboutism question so you decided to go off the deep end 😂

Actually the "single parent" population consensus is outdated. Often in single parent households the other parent is involved and I am not talking about popping up on birthday's. Some woman are choosing to be a single parent with shared parenting. What constituted a single parent in the 1980s is different today. Then again marriage was more of the custom prior to getting pregnant let alone sex.
Two things. First, I was not going off the deep end. I was point out the ridiculousness of using sheer numbers, not asserting I believed what they show.
Second, I used the data YOU cited about single parent homes. If you thought it was not meaningful, why would you use it to try and make a point?

Also, I was not clear exactly what you were asking. Was your question in reference to poverty or crime?
 
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No. That’s not black culture. That’s hood culture. Every race has poor people who do stupid shit.
Let me say that what I think you are saying is trying to categorize culture regardless of the color of skin can be a slippery slope

Being white I have a certain “culture” based on where I was born , who were my parents, nuture , nature and other factors

Trying to lump people like coal all into one category is really an impossible task

Hopefully we all can as my father would say learn to just get along

I think I am feeling your point
 
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