Deion Sanders spoke the cold hard truth yesterday about black culture

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Jackson State football coach Deion Sanders said he will not allow his players to leave their hotel this weekend when they face Texas Southern in Houston, where rapper Takeoff, 28, was shot and killed at a bowling alley early Tuesday morning.


Sanders said family members and friends who want to see players before Saturday's game will have to visit the team's hotel.
"I'm just sick and tired of the consistency of people that are influential to you are leaving us consistently: That's our rappers," Sanders said, per video of his message. "Takeoff was murdered in a dice game in Houston, where we're going. So that eliminates all of y'all leaving that hotel. Because it ain't happening until I give you further notice."
Along with Quavo and Offset, Takeoff, whose real name was Kirshnik Khari Ball, was one-third of Migos, who've had multiple chart-topping hits over the past decade, including "Bad and Boujee" and "Fight Night."
Takeoff was a sports fan who joined his group to perform with Pharrell Williams at halftime of the NBA All-Star Game in 2018. Last week, Quavo and Takeoff released their first album as a duo separate from Offset, "Only Built for Infinity Links."
Migos had bonds with a variety of pro athletes, especially Atlanta Hawks star Trae Young, who tweeted Tuesday that he was shocked by the news of Takeoff's killing.
Per reports, Quavo and Takeoff were at a bowling alley in Houston around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday when shots were fired and Takeoff was struck and killed. Houston police officials told reporters they are investigating the killing.
On Tuesday, Sanders told his players to be mindful of their surroundings and relationships as they prepare for Saturday's road game.
Jackson State hosted ESPN's College GameDay on Saturday before a 35-0 win over Southern that brought its record to 8-0.
"I don't want you all playing that foolish game because you all are valuable to your families, friends, loved ones, and you're valuable to us," he said. "Let's think about that. Let's pray for the families
 

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One thing that needs to be considered by a lot of these young rich guys who came from nothing is that you can give back to your neighborhood without attaching yourself socially to all of the problem people that are living there as adults. He could have taken the guys he knows in Houston to a casino or to a hotel suite to play dice without surrounding himself with the characters he wasn't familiar with.
 

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I don’t understand the correlation between what Dion said, and what that has to do with how well spoken many of our athletes are?

what are you implying?

What a weird thread title.....
These issues that may seem foreign exist on Clemsons campus. Not to go back to 2020 completely, but there were lots of posts from folks that were oblivious to the reality of racial issues in our communitythat our players faced daily.
 

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I know some people are put off by Deion, but he seems to impart some key words of wisdom to his guys on a regular basis.

Sure, he’s allowing and aware it’s being recorded but that doesn’t change the impactful messages he’s been telling his team. Seems like a solid role model for his guys.
Communication requires the ability to state your message in a manner the intended audience can receive. Messages also need to be coded in a vernacular that is understandable to its audience

Deion speaks effectively and with truth and authority to his targeted audience, his players and their families. Deion's message also translates in a larger view to the general public, particularly populations that match his team culturally and racially.

People who don't need messages like Deion shares should tune him out if they take issue with him. They should also count themselves fortunate that they don't need guidance to survive in their daily lives. I enjoy hearing what he speaks because I learn new things from him.
 

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Jackson State football coach Deion Sanders said he will not allow his players to leave their hotel this weekend when they face Texas Southern in Houston, where rapper Takeoff, 28, was shot and killed at a bowling alley early Tuesday morning.


Sanders said family members and friends who want to see players before Saturday's game will have to visit the team's hotel.
"I'm just sick and tired of the consistency of people that are influential to you are leaving us consistently: That's our rappers," Sanders said, per video of his message. "Takeoff was murdered in a dice game in Houston, where we're going. So that eliminates all of y'all leaving that hotel. Because it ain't happening until I give you further notice."
Along with Quavo and Offset, Takeoff, whose real name was Kirshnik Khari Ball, was one-third of Migos, who've had multiple chart-topping hits over the past decade, including "Bad and Boujee" and "Fight Night."
Takeoff was a sports fan who joined his group to perform with Pharrell Williams at halftime of the NBA All-Star Game in 2018. Last week, Quavo and Takeoff released their first album as a duo separate from Offset, "Only Built for Infinity Links."
Migos had bonds with a variety of pro athletes, especially Atlanta Hawks star Trae Young, who tweeted Tuesday that he was shocked by the news of Takeoff's killing.
Per reports, Quavo and Takeoff were at a bowling alley in Houston around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday when shots were fired and Takeoff was struck and killed. Houston police officials told reporters they are investigating the killing.
On Tuesday, Sanders told his players to be mindful of their surroundings and relationships as they prepare for Saturday's road game.
Jackson State hosted ESPN's College GameDay on Saturday before a 35-0 win over Southern that brought its record to 8-0.
"I don't want you all playing that foolish game because you all are valuable to your families, friends, loved ones, and you're valuable to us," he said. "Let's think about that. Let's pray for the families
I'm sorry, I missed the 'black culture' part
 

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I'm confused about why he's not letting the players leave the hotel. Is the hotel next to the bowling alley that Takeout was shot at or something?
 
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I actually had dinner at the McCormick and Schmick's that's apparently right next to that alley a couple weeks ago. Unrelatedly, I got randomly punched in the face by some drunk while hanging out with some people after watching the Clemson game, then the people I was with couldn't find their car that had my work bag in it with my hotel key. Wandered around with them all bloody for like an hour before one of the other people drove me to the hotel. Didn't get to the hotel until 4 AM and showed up without a key and blood on my shirt. Did not get shot, though, as far as I know.
 

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I'm confused about why he's not letting the players leave the hotel. Is the hotel next to the bowling alley that Takeout was shot at or something?
I think the bowling alley is right in the middle of downtown, in what looked like a nice area.
 

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Probably because if Takeoff gets killed over an argument, a jackson state player would get killed over an argument. Also it’s Houston, which is probably a top 5 “unsafe” city.
I think you're right.

Anecdotal Note: My Clemson grad went to a public inner city high school that was then (but not now) predominantly black. My son observed when he was out with his white friends in any number (walking in the neighborhood, going to the mall, eating out, driving around midnight), they were never hassled. When he was the only white kid with a group of more than 1 black kid, they got stopped by neighborhood watch, followed in the mall, seated differently in a restaurant and stopped driving late in the evening (one of the black kids came from an extremely wealthy family and drove a high-end Mercedes). My son didn't have to ask why that happened because he knew why and so did the black kids

I did a lot of community work in the more economically challenged neighborhoods that were as a fact primarily 100% black. The moms/dads/teachers taught their kids a very different form of survival than we were teaching above I-20. When you're car gets surrounded by a group on the southside, you'd be foolish to think that they just want to chit-chat.
 

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Jackson State football coach Deion Sanders said he will not allow his players to leave their hotel this weekend when they face Texas Southern in Houston, where rapper Takeoff, 28, was shot and killed at a bowling alley early Tuesday morning.


Sanders said family members and friends who want to see players before Saturday's game will have to visit the team's hotel.
"I'm just sick and tired of the consistency of people that are influential to you are leaving us consistently: That's our rappers," Sanders said, per video of his message. "Takeoff was murdered in a dice game in Houston, where we're going. So that eliminates all of y'all leaving that hotel. Because it ain't happening until I give you further notice."
Along with Quavo and Offset, Takeoff, whose real name was Kirshnik Khari Ball, was one-third of Migos, who've had multiple chart-topping hits over the past decade, including "Bad and Boujee" and "Fight Night."
Takeoff was a sports fan who joined his group to perform with Pharrell Williams at halftime of the NBA All-Star Game in 2018. Last week, Quavo and Takeoff released their first album as a duo separate from Offset, "Only Built for Infinity Links."
Migos had bonds with a variety of pro athletes, especially Atlanta Hawks star Trae Young, who tweeted Tuesday that he was shocked by the news of Takeoff's killing.
Per reports, Quavo and Takeoff were at a bowling alley in Houston around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday when shots were fired and Takeoff was struck and killed. Houston police officials told reporters they are investigating the killing.
On Tuesday, Sanders told his players to be mindful of their surroundings and relationships as they prepare for Saturday's road game.
Jackson State hosted ESPN's College GameDay on Saturday before a 35-0 win over Southern that brought its record to 8-0.
"I don't want you all playing that foolish game because you all are valuable to your families, friends, loved ones, and you're valuable to us," he said. "Let's think about that. Let's pray for the families
Waiting for Ye to opine.
 

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These issues that may seem foreign exist on Clemsons campus. Not to go back to 2020 completely, but there were lots of posts from folks that were oblivious to the reality of racial issues in our communitythat our players faced daily.
Fair enough and don't disagree in general, but what's the racial issue here? It said he was shot in a dice game?
 

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I think the bowling alley is right in the middle of downtown, in what looked like a nice area.
The Four Seasons Hotel is right there as well. It wasn't the area, it was the choice to play dice at 230 AM with someone who could shoot you. This is a tragedy, but people, regardless of color, need to make better choices..
 

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The Four Seasons Hotel is right there as well. It wasn't the area, it was the choice to play dice at 230 AM with someone who could shoot you. This is a tragedy, but people, regardless of color, need to make better choices..
Would have happened anywhere. He was initially shot by someone on his own team
 
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I don't get what he is saying other than stay in your room.

Why not tell them blacks are killing blacks to often. Stay away from guns, drugs, and stop killing each other when you get pissed off.

Did he say any of that, or did I miss it.
 

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I don't get what he is saying other than stay in your room.

Why not tell them blacks are killing blacks to often. Stay away from guns, drugs, and stop killing each other when you get pissed off.

Did he say any of that, or did I miss it.
He did.
 
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Fair enough and don't disagree in general, but what's the racial issue here? It said he was shot in a dice game?

I think it's that black people shouldn't leave their hotel to play dice. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Jackson State football coach Deion Sanders said he will not allow his players to leave their hotel this weekend when they face Texas Southern in Houston, where rapper Takeoff, 28, was shot and killed at a bowling alley early Tuesday morning.


Sanders said family members and friends who want to see players before Saturday's game will have to visit the team's hotel.
"I'm just sick and tired of the consistency of people that are influential to you are leaving us consistently: That's our rappers," Sanders said, per video of his message. "Takeoff was murdered in a dice game in Houston, where we're going. So that eliminates all of y'all leaving that hotel. Because it ain't happening until I give you further notice."
Along with Quavo and Offset, Takeoff, whose real name was Kirshnik Khari Ball, was one-third of Migos, who've had multiple chart-topping hits over the past decade, including "Bad and Boujee" and "Fight Night."
Takeoff was a sports fan who joined his group to perform with Pharrell Williams at halftime of the NBA All-Star Game in 2018. Last week, Quavo and Takeoff released their first album as a duo separate from Offset, "Only Built for Infinity Links."
Migos had bonds with a variety of pro athletes, especially Atlanta Hawks star Trae Young, who tweeted Tuesday that he was shocked by the news of Takeoff's killing.
Per reports, Quavo and Takeoff were at a bowling alley in Houston around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday when shots were fired and Takeoff was struck and killed. Houston police officials told reporters they are investigating the killing.
On Tuesday, Sanders told his players to be mindful of their surroundings and relationships as they prepare for Saturday's road game.
Jackson State hosted ESPN's College GameDay on Saturday before a 35-0 win over Southern that brought its record to 8-0.
"I don't want you all playing that foolish game because you all are valuable to your families, friends, loved ones, and you're valuable to us," he said. "Let's think about that. Let's pray for the families
Rappers and dice don’t define “black culture.” What type of nonsense is this thread title?
 

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Its a part of black culture for sure. “That foolish game” encompasses a lot of different point.

I think at one time Black culture was the best culture in this country. So many wonderful traditions and offerings I have shaped so much of the richness of American culture. I could be wrong but I don't feel that way anymore about the current culture. In fact I don't feel any group in our country is offering something truly wonderful at this time. It would be nice if we could return to a place where that was going on.
 

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I think what @Superica28 quoted kind of missed the mark in terms of making a point about "The cold hard truth about black culture" but there was more to what Deion said. There's a video I saw yesterday with most of, if not all, of his speech to his players and he goes into more detail. I don't think it was specifically towards "black culture", that's a bit too generalized, but towards athletes and famous black folks who, in some instances, need to be careful with whom and where they spend their time. That their lives have changed and they should be aware of that.
I think you're right.

Anecdotal Note: My Clemson grad went to a public inner city high school that was then (but not now) predominantly black. My son observed when he was out with his white friends in any number (walking in the neighborhood, going to the mall, eating out, driving around midnight), they were never hassled. When he was the only white kid with a group of more than 1 black kid, they got stopped by neighborhood watch, followed in the mall, seated differently in a restaurant and stopped driving late in the evening (one of the black kids came from an extremely wealthy family and drove a high-end Mercedes). My son didn't have to ask why that happened because he knew why and so did the black kids

I did a lot of community work in the more economically challenged neighborhoods that were as a fact primarily 100% black. The moms/dads/teachers taught their kids a very different form of survival than we were teaching above I-20. When you're car gets surrounded by a group on the southside, you'd be foolish to think that they just want to chit-chat.
Unfortunately, a lot of this is too true but I've seen time and time again how a segment of the population widely represented on TI doesn't seem to believe or acknowledge reality. There have been too many instances of innocent, law-abiding black (men in particular) who are not treated the same as their peers strictly because of their skin. Story after story, now a lot of it is caught on video and people don't want to acknowledge it still. There's always a "Well, they should've been..." even when white people do the same things and don't end up in jail or dead.
 

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According to who? I guess it’s chicken, watermelon, dice and rappers who shoot dice now, huh?

When about 6.5% of the population commits more than 50% of the violent crimes there should be acknowledgment that there is a problem. This isn't something that a person like me who is white and in his 50s can fix. It's going to have to come from within.

We have a lot of problems that are well beyond the boundaries of race but the violent crime issue is something that has to be addressed by the black community. I don't know why that's controversial to say when it's so obviously true.
 

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When about 6.5% of the population commits more than 50% of the violent crimes there should be acknowledgment that there is a problem. This isn't something that a person like me who is white and in his 50s can fix. It's going to have to come from within.

We have a lot of problems that are well beyond the boundaries of race but the violent crime issue is something that has to be addressed by the black community. I don't know why that's controversial to say when it's so obviously true.
I went to Clemson, NEVER shot dice, and don’t rap. I don’t have any black friends that do it either. What am I supposed to do, go to the projects and tell them to put the he gun down? No. That is a societal problem that has origins in how some jackasses treated their ancestors.

Im not even gonna go down that road with you although every race has undesirables, but that stuff doesn’t define the culture of your race, and that is my point.
 
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According to who? I guess it’s chicken, watermelon, dice and rappers who shoot dice now, huh?
Me. You ever have spades or dice at a cookout? Migos, or other rappers ever come up in conversation?
Know people that aren’t about anything other than hood life?
We have a 40% drop out rate. How many of your friends or family dropped out or work a dead end job?

Thats black culture. And its what Sanders was talking about when he told his tram to leave all that behind.
 

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Me. You ever have spades or dice at a cookout? Migos, or other rappers ever come up in conversation?
Know people that aren’t about anything other than hood life?
We have a 40% drop out rate. How many of your friends or family dropped out or work a dead end job?

Thats black culture. And its what Sanders was talking about when he told his tram to leave all that behind.
No. That’s not black culture. That’s hood culture. Every race has poor people who do stupid shit.
 

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I went to Clemson, NEVER shot dice, and don’t rap. I don’t have any black friends that do it either. What am I supposed to do, go to the projects and tell them to put the he gun down? No. That is a societal problem that has origins in how some jackasses treated their ancestors.

Im not even gonna go down that road with you although every race has undesirables, but those stuff doesn’t define the culture of your race, and that is my point.
Do you not realize how different and privileged you are compared to the overwhelming majority of other blacks?

30 something percent of blacks goto a flagship university. Thats a problem.

To Sander’s point and the point of this thread, theres a culture problem and youve gotta leave all that mess behind.
 
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I went to Clemson, NEVER shot dice, and don’t rap. I don’t have any black friends that do it either. What am I supposed to do, go to the projects and tell them to put the he gun down? No. That is a societal problem that has origins in how some jackasses treated their ancestors.

Im not even gonna go down that road with you although every race has undesirables, but that stuff doesn’t define the culture of your race, and that is my point.
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If you really look at the numbers, @spskillz and @Superica28 and @Willence are all correct.

Besides just color, the poverty stricken groups and the groups without family values are really where the problems arise.

The overwhelming majority of our problems are socioeconomic and not racial. But the violent crime statistics are overwhelmingly disparate based on the racial breakdown of people committing the crimes.

The poorest place in America is an all white county in West Virginia. Having been there it is the most depressing place you could ever imagine and the poverty is unbelievable. Drugs are rampant and there are massive challenges at every turn. I don't like to racialize things because we're all Americans and brothers and sisters under the same flag. At least that used to be the aspiration when I was a kid with all of my black friends and their parents. I know we can get there together. But first we have to be together.
 

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I mean, I can freestyle, but that was 20 years ago. Come on man we’re having a serious conversation LOL!

Anyone who's met me or seen my picture knows that I am overweight, bald and old. But I'll have you know when I was in high school I was a member of the Playboy Breakers. I could break dance and helicopter and pop and I also rapped. What a terrifying thought today. That's all for the comedy relief.
 
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Communication requires the ability to state your message in a manner the intended audience can receive. Messages also need to be coded in a vernacular that is understandable to its audience

Deion speaks effectively and with truth and authority to his targeted audience, his players and their families. Deion's message also translates in a larger view to the general public, particularly populations that match his team culturally and racially.

People who don't need messages like Deion shares should tune him out if they take issue with him. They should also count themselves fortunate that they don't need guidance to survive in their daily lives. I enjoy hearing what he speaks because I learn new things from him.
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I think what @Superica28 quoted kind of missed the mark in terms of making a point about "The cold hard truth about black culture" but there was more to what Deion said. There's a video I saw yesterday with most of, if not all, of his speech to his players and he goes into more detail. I don't think it was specifically towards "black culture", that's a bit too generalized, but towards athletes and famous black folks who, in some instances, need to be careful with whom and where they spend their time. That their lives have changed and they should be aware of that.

Unfortunately, a lot of this is too true but I've seen time and time again how a segment of the population widely represented on TI doesn't seem to believe or acknowledge reality. There have been too many instances of innocent, law-abiding black (men in particular) who are not treated the same as their peers strictly because of their skin. Story after story, now a lot of it is caught on video and people don't want to acknowledge it still. There's always a "Well, they should've been..." even when white people do the same things and don't end up in jail or dead.
Very true. I suspect if my white son had not been in the car that night, that stop would have resulted in the arrest of those in that car.

My son and his friends were all respectful and polite with the authority. They kept their hands in sight and followed all instructions to get out of the car. They were lined up against the car and patted down. They knew what was suspected (stolen car or something criminal), so my white son took the lead in the interface because he was the best carrier pigeon.

He is very polite and calm and asked where they should have their parents meet them because they'd miss their curfew and their parents would worry. He also asked where they should tell their parents to bring their attorneys because we had told them to ask for their legal counsel if ever stopped for any reason.

What my son said and how he said it hit the mark because the police officer told them to head home safely and apologize to their parents for them being late for curfew. Turns out I knew the officer and he confirmed what I thought was the reason for the stop. He also said I should be proud of my son for how the entire group behaved and how my son narrated for the group....particularly since they were busy resolving the situation and not documenting this for social media.
 
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