No. But the poor people (your indicator for crime) who commit crimes in those areas are more likely to vote dem. I don’t think that’s really even up for statistical debate.
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No. But the poor people (your indicator for crime) who commit crimes in those areas are more likely to vote dem. I don’t think that’s really even up for statistical debate.
That's because it's a fact that poverty is a leading cause of criminal activity. there is more crime in inner cities because there is a more congested population of poverty vs rural areas where the population density is dramatically different. there's just as much crime PER CAPITA going on in williamsburg county as in NYC, except in WC you have 33 people/sqmi vs Harlem where you have 61k people/sqmi.
I am not sure exactly what you are asking, but I will answer. I would be willing to bet that a MUCH larger percentage of crimes, particularly violent crimes, are committed by democrat voters in democrat controlled areas. Given that the overall population of the country is somewhat equally split between dem/pub it is notable.
I would be willing to bet a disproportionate number of those crimes in Williamsburg county are committed by democrats as it relates to the dem/pub population percentage.
The people who are committing most crimes are likely not voting at all.
Do you dispute these facts?
1. Big cities are going to have more crime than rural areas because you have a much bigger, much denser population.
2. SC has a homicide per capita 2.6 times higher than NY.
3. The three biggest cities in SC are:
Charleston - Democrat
Columbia - Republican
N. Charleston - Republican
You were in NYC and got "pizza" at Sbarro????? You should have your head examined.
Again, your "facts" are misleading/lies as usual. Though Columbia just elected a pub mayor, any crime statistics you found would have come from a time when Columbia was under a democrat mayor. Thus, the two largest cities from which crime stats were collected from were dem areas.
Then once again I ask if you think democrats are more predisposed to commit crimes than republicans. If you don’t believe that, then what is your argument? I feel like I know what you want to say but you’re not going to say it
Again, not sure what you mean by "inherently more prone" or "predisposed". Is a person who commits a crime more likely to be a democrat than republican? Absolutely, I think statistics would overwhelmingly support this. If that fits your definition of "inherently more prone" or "predisposed", then yes - without a doubt.
You don’t know what “predisposed” and “inherently more prone” mean? I’m asking if you think that democrats have an innate predisposition to committing crimes. If you think that democrats are more prone to commit crimes than republicans.
So what? By your logic, since inflation and gas prices started rising before Biden took office, we should blame trump.
Do you really think that SC is going to have fewer homicides per capita than NY in 2022? I am seriously asking if you believe that.
Lol, you missed the joke buddy. And if that is the only line that you questioned, then you need your head examined.
I was just pointing out the fact that your are dishonest. As far as crime goes, I feel certain more crime will be committed by democrats in democrat areas than by republicans in pub areas in 2022.
You never can be too sure about a lot here. But I'll contact my phrenologist in the morning
Okay good. Now what would be the cause of these increased crimes democrats are purportedly committing vs their republicans counterparts? Do you have any analysis on why that may be the case beyond surface level reasoning?
Oh, I know where you want to go, but let's take financial gain as a motivation(and thus poverty) out of the equation. I guarantee you if you could find the stats, that rape is committed at a much higher rate by democrats than republicans.
As for the poverty factor, who is responsible for conditions all these high poverty areas? The overwhelming majority of these areas are controlled by democrat politicians. Many have been under dem control for decades.
Why would you take out the leading cause of criminal activities? My argument isn't that crime is solely for financial gain. it's a byproduct of living in a poverty-stricken environment where you are raised malnourished, in broken homes thus leading to abuse (sexual and physical), which in turn increase a person's inclination to be a criminal. most rapists, or sexual abusers, are victims of rape and sexual abuse themselves - which is most often found in impoverished families. that's not to say that rape/sexual abuse can't happen in wealthy families, bc it absolutely does.
what would you say is the most effective way at building wealth in this country? property and land ownership, correct? take a look at this study detailing how blacks were disproportionately targeted just in Chicago from purchasing land following WW2. there are towns in Texas that still have bylaws prohibiting the selling of property to black people. there's a whole history of laws negatively affecting persons of color in this country that helped lead to the issues we find in inner cities (which is minority-heavy.)
i don't disagree that democrats don't do enough to help those in poverty - but to be frank republicans don't do shit either. it's an ugly situation and i don't think either party truly wants to solve it.
If the cause of crime is being in poverty stricken areas, then I would further suggest the fact that the large majority of these areas being under democrat control is not insignificant.
9 out of 10 of the poorest states are republican.
95 out of the 100 poorest counties are republican.
9 out of 10 of the richest cities in America are run by democrats.
these are facts and they are undeniable.
I think 75% of GDP comes from blue states as well. And that red states receive far more federal money than blue states.
So many narrative violations on the right.
Look at this board, including your own daily posts, and tell me who seems less happy.
I don't think I'm arguing any of that. I'm arguing the applicability of some of those stats to everyday people (or at least the people who post on TI - college educated professionals for the most part). Broad stats about NY and SC don't really mean much for my family - because the areas we visit (or would consider living) are very specific. And those areas are very safe in SC. I live in Mt. Pleasant, visit IOP, Sullivans, Charleston peninsula, Clemson and my FIL's farm in Orangeburg county (the most dangerous of those areas, and a blue county). That's about it. If I go to NY, it's pretty much exclusively Manhattan. I don't really GAS about crime in Binghamton or wherever.
SC has one democrat in the HOR - Jim Clyburn. Here's his district. It includes N. Charleston. What % of the violent crime in SC do you think is represented by his uniquely blue district?
I'm not one of these NYC-is-a-shithole people. I love NYC. I love Chicago. I travel all over all the time and see all sorts of cities and enjoy them. But we can be honest about who is committing the most crimes, how that cohort typically votes (dem) and the leadership that is generally elected in high-crime areas.
I don't think it has to do with who commits the crimes, as its an urban vs. rural discussion. When you have a higher density of people in an area, it requires more coordination.I don't think I'm arguing any of that. I'm arguing the applicability of some of those stats to everyday people (or at least the people who post on TI - college educated professionals for the most part). Broad stats about NY and SC don't really mean much for my family - because the areas we visit (or would consider living) are very specific. And those areas are very safe in SC. I live in Mt. Pleasant, visit IOP, Sullivans, Charleston peninsula, Clemson and my FIL's farm in Orangeburg county (the most dangerous of those areas, and a blue county). That's about it. If I go to NY, it's pretty much exclusively Manhattan. I don't really GAS about crime in Binghamton or wherever.
SC has one democrat in the HOR - Jim Clyburn. Here's his district. It includes N. Charleston. What % of the violent crime in SC do you think is represented by his uniquely blue district?
I'm not one of these NYC-is-a-shithole people. I love NYC. I love Chicago. I travel all over all the time and see all sorts of cities and enjoy them. But we can be honest about who is committing the most crimes, how that cohort typically votes (dem) and the leadership that is generally elected in high-crime areas.
Those who commit crimes are typically in lower income brackets. And they absolutely vote more democratic, but you are confusing correlation with causation. Although Trump was a democrat, so perhaps you are right that those who commit crimes are likely to vote dem.
Ok - I take back my NYC is a shithole comment. I actually like the city. Nice place to visit but wouldn’t want to live there.
still high crime, high taxes, high barriers to entry for businesses etc.
still high crime, high taxes, high barriers to entry for businesses etc.
why are we even talking about NYC? This thread is about the Desantis disaster in Florida. That place is going to be unlivable in a year if the reinsurers pull out as expected. People whose life savings are tied up in their homes are gong to be screwed. Homeowners across the state are going to get hit with crushing premium increases. The mortgage industry is going to get destroyed.
the damage Desantis has done is a few short years is catastrophic. Maybe if he was focused on these problems (the insurance market contracted months before the hurricane hit) instead of political stunts like flying lglegal immigrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, things might not be this bad.
I hope Florida becomes unliveable so that prices come down so I can live there.
I just dont get it. Record prices being paid for Florida real estate, yet you say its going to become unliveable? Its kind of like "climate change" when democrats say that the coast is going to dissappear in 10 years, yet coastal property values keep climbing at a record pace. Didn't obama just buy some $10mm+ coastal property. He is real scared of "climate change"
Your fears are not reflected in the real world. Find another angle to attack Desantis, that is not it.
I know you are not very well educated, so I will explain it to you.
Florida has an insurance problem, as in it is very hard and very expensive to get insurance on your property. Many retirees move there and use their life savings to buy a house, only to discover that they can only get insurance to cover about 50% of the value.
Currently, US insurance companies that operate in FL rely on reinsurers (big companies from Europe) to reinsure them. The insurance providers need insurance to operate in FL. There is a very good chance that after this latest storm, those companies will pull out of the florida market, leading to some local bankruptcies.
That means the following:
- very, very, very hard to get insurance for a home purchase. No insurance, no mortgage.
- much higher premiums for everyone in FL, even people in the middle of the state.
- a chance that government will have to fund insurance and expand the government programs, which means higher taxes (socialism!)
Either way, this is something that Desantis should have foreseen and addressed. He was too busy punishing Disney for being woke.
If it was true, we would see property values in Florida dropping like a rock, faster than the overall drop for the United States. Do you have ANY evidence of this? If so please post it so we can see. If property values aren't dropping then your claim is not valid and just a bunch of troll bullshit.
Plus, you know that "named storm" insurance is subsidized by the federal government? Is the federal government going to abandon Florida?
I think the insurance market will continue to tighten, but I think your end outcome (unlivable) is a bit hyperbolic. Insurers will need to raise rates, which may reduce property values. But FL will remain livable and attractive.
I'm actually going through some homeowners insurance tightening in coastal SC. Many insurers have either pulled out, won't write homes on the water/in flood zone or even gone bankrupt (including my most recent homeowners insurer). I'm very limited on options due to location and rebuild cost.
The net result is my premium roughly doubling at renewal this year (after lots of research, majority of quotes were closer to triple). But that doesn't affect the livability of Mt. Pleasant to me. And I don't think it affects my home value in a material way. It would be a rounding error in a new buyers' mortgage, if they even had one. Many cash buyers these days.
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You are comparing SC to FL. Not the same. If the reinsurers pull out, FL is fcked. Plain and simple. Cut and dry.
And yes, a lot of people who buy houses in FL pay cash. But how many are going to want to buy a house if they have to pay $1MM cash and can only insure it for less than $500K? And that insurance is insanely expensive.
And now when you factor in that they expect the ocean water down there to be spreading flesh eating bacteria for the foreseeable future.
P.S. before some phaggot jumps in here and accuses me of not being sympathetic to florida, I have family in Lee County. I take no pleasure in this. It is awful. What they are going to endure, at the fault of desantis, is awful.
You've had some really absurd arguments but this one takes the cake. As if a human can't do more than one thing at a time. The coastal challenges we face are entirely legitimate relative to insurance and costs. Using that long term challenge as a cudgel to attack the current governor is so dishonest that I just.... Wait...what am I saying? It's you and your loathsome dishonesty. Not much more can be expected I guess. I just keep hoping you'll eventually wake up from your fantasyland.
Have you posted any evidence of property values going down in Florida faster than the housing market at large? Still waiting. You are #fakenews
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