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Due to today's society not wanting to work

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The Esso Club will be closed on Monday's going forward.


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If I was a college kid this would ABSOLUTELY make me want to come in and apply!
 
Looks like autocorrect t got them on “Due to today’s society having independent-contractor options to make money on their own schedule”
Yeah that's about how I read it too.

Start paying people a living wage and today's society will happily come work. Whiny fvckin bitches. I rarely get back over to Clemson these days but I sure as hell won't be spending money at a place with that sense of entitlement.

If I was a college kid it would make me certain they don't pay enough to have to put up with a boss and a schedule.

Communist out!

Wait hold on one more. It's society's fault that you're forced to give your employees a day off is really just too rich. This guy's delusional.
 
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Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.
 
Yeah that's about how I read it too.

Start paying people a living wage and today's society will happily come work. Whiny fvckin bitches. I rarely get back over to Clemson these days but I sure as hell won't be spending money at a place with that sense of entitlement.

If I was a college kid it would make me certain they don't pay enough to have to put up with a boss and a schedule.

Communist out!

Wait hold on one more. It's society's fault that you're forced to give your employees a day off is really just too rich. This guy's delusional.
I disagree. I’ve spent the last 6 months trying to get an electrician to replace my freight dock lights with LEDs. It’s very hard to find skilled labor. It is very easy to find a useless college grad to work in a cubicle that contributes nothing to a company.

When my wife bartended at TTTs in college she was making well over 1k a week. She was making over 60k part time bartending for Rick Erwin’s. Serving and bartending pay more than most entry level college grad jobs. Also why my wife left her entry level college grad position to go back Into bartending.

The issue is we have incentivized people to not work. Democrat Donald Trump being the most to blame for his liberal helicopter money policies. Weirdly enough liberal voted him out for the racist neocon Biden.
 
All of my daughter’s expenses were covered by Life and State Tuition Prepayment Plan but she chose to work at Esso just because her friends did. She loved it. She even had a second job with Easley Combined Utilities.
Needless to say she has done well. This was 2004-8.
 
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I disagree. I’ve spent the last 6 months trying to get an electrician to replace my freight dock lights with LEDs. It’s very hard to find skilled labor. It is very easy to find a useless college grad to work in a cubicle that contributes nothing to a company.

When my wife bartended at TTTs in college she was making well over 1k a week. She was making over 60k part time bartending for Rick Erwin’s. Serving and bartending pay more than most entry level college grad jobs. Also why my wife left her entry level college grad position to go back Into bartending.

The issue is we have incentivized people to not work. Democrat Donald Trump being the most to blame for his liberal helicopter money policies. Weirdly enough liberal voted him out for the racist neocon Biden.
I don't care what you or your wife did or think about society. It's a new world and people have better options now. Stop being petty and envious.
 
Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.
I also bet they weren’t eating off the Taco Bell $.99 menu like I use to when I made minimum wage.
 
Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.
No way their wait staff make only $7.50 an hour. Not with tips. I cringe to think how little the kitchen staff might make.
My daughter said the time slots with middle age customers were way better than anything game related. Bigger tips.
 
I also bet they weren’t eating off the Taco Bell $.99 menu like I use to when I made minimum wage.
Damn right... Unlike a lot of folks, my parents weren't that well off. They managed to pay my tuition and they busted their asses to do that. I'm grateful to this day, even though they are long gone now.

That left me to pay for sundries including room and board when I chose to move off campus. I had some of those minimum wage jobs and I ate MANY a "double dog deal" at the pantry... that's two dogs for a $1... this was the late 80s.

That sucked.

I don't wish it on today's kids just because I had to do it.
 
Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.

Working at the Esso Club is a career?
 
Maybe you do, but you clearly don't understand the value of working on your own time or not having an asshole boss to put up with. It's worth its weight in gold as far as I'm concerned.

I have had to deal with plenty of asshole bosses and low pay to get where I’m at. I also own a bagged ice business and can confirm the government was the biggest barrier to entry for me.

Unfortunately working for the man still pays me too much to leave at this time, but I’m still on track to be self employed by 35.
 
Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.
But to me working at the Esso, like many similar jobs, is not meant to be something you raise a family on. Its for gas and beer money. Same thing with fast food restaurants, etc.
 
No way their workers make only $7.50 an hour. Not with tips.
My daughter said the time slots with middle age customers were way better than anything game related. Bigger tips.
No they don't:

South Carolina minimum wage for servers and other tipped employees. Bartenders, service staff and other workers who receive tips as a portion of their income must still receive the minimum wage of $7.25 in South Carolina. Employers with workers who receive tips can take a tip credit of up to $5.12 per hour.

So it looks like the wage they are getting is $2.13 an hour (the same as when I waited tables back in the day) plus tips. I regularly made $15 an hour waiting tables back then. My son has done it off and on for the past couple of years at Boise State and he regularly walks with $150 plus in cash for a Friday/Saturday shift. Add in a couple or 3 weeknight shifts (which aren't nearly as good, and you can bring home $500 a week. That's GOOD money for a college student. Not so much for someone trying to make a living.
 
I have had to deal with plenty of asshole bosses and low pay to get where I’m at. I also own a bagged ice business and can confirm the government was the biggest barrier to entry for me.

Unfortunately working for the man still pays me too much to leave at this time, but I’m still on track to be self employed by 35.
Good for you. You clearly value actual dollars more than anything else from your work life. I don't. I'm not saying one or the other is wrong, but the fact that it's so much harder to find cheap labor now ought to tell you something. And I definitely don't care about your politics. At all.

Let me know how that total autonomy is going when you're 35. I wish you all the success in the world.
 
But to me working at the Esso, like many similar jobs, is not meant to be something you raise a family on. Its for gas and beer money. Same thing with fast food restaurants, etc.
Well obviously the student age kids disagree and are finding other ways to get by without serving obnoxious drunks for very little money. My son worked at cvs stocking shelves in high school and made 14 an hour. That’s just the reality of what they are competing with.
 
Still trying to figure out why someone working part time for a little extra cash in a job that requires near zero skill needs a "living wage."
I don't think it has much to do with living wage vs non-living wage. The market dictates what labor is worth and right now unemployment is SUPER low. If you want labor, you need to pay for it just like you would anything else. It's supply and demand.
 
But to me working at the Esso, like many similar jobs, is not meant to be something you raise a family on. Its for gas and beer money. Same thing with fast food restaurants, etc.
No, lots and lots and lots of people work those jobs for way more than beer and gas money. Only someone very out of touch with the real world could think such a thing.
 
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No they don't:

South Carolina minimum wage for servers and other tipped employees. Bartenders, service staff and other workers who receive tips as a portion of their income must still receive the minimum wage of $7.25 in South Carolina. Employers with workers who receive tips can take a tip credit of up to $5.12 per hour.

So it looks like the wage they are getting is $2.13 an hour (the same as when I waited tables back in the day) plus tips. I regularly made $15 an hour waiting tables back then. My son has done it off and on for the past couple of years at Boise State and he regularly walks with $150 plus in cash for a Friday/Saturday shift. Add in a couple or 3 weeknight shifts (which aren't nearly as good, and you can bring home $500 a week. That's GOOD money for a college student. Not so much for someone trying to make a living.
My HS kid worked a at pizzeria making $12 an hour. She'd do a 4 hour shift and come home with $30-$40 in tips as well.

My other kid worked as a hostess at a upscale restaurant. She got $12 and hour as well and would bring home about $150 including tips on a 6 hour weekend shift.
 
Good for you. You clearly value actual dollars more than anything else from your work life. I don't. I'm not saying one or the other is wrong, but the fact that it's so much harder to find cheap labor now ought to tell you something. And I definitely don't care about your politics. At all.

Let me know how that total autonomy is going when you're 35. I wish you all the success in the world.
I get what you're saying, but aren't a politician's policies extremely important as to why we're where we are?

I'm not speaking from a D and R perspective or trying to defend anyone; I'm simply saying shouldn't that be really important and the front of the topic when discussing? Maybe it's both parties, maybe it's one more than the other, but as someone who cares far less about the initial beside your name and more about what you're actually creating for us as a society, I'm trying to learn more about the people creating the world around us. I certainly wouldn't say " I don't care'".

We've created this environment where "we don't care about politics" but I think it's time we start talking about how we got here and not ignore it. We actually still have a say in who represents us as people. Discussing it is the smartest thing you could do, IMO.

But I think I know what you were meaning.
 
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No they don't:

South Carolina minimum wage for servers and other tipped employees. Bartenders, service staff and other workers who receive tips as a portion of their income must still receive the minimum wage of $7.25 in South Carolina. Employers with workers who receive tips can take a tip credit of up to $5.12 per hour.

So it looks like the wage they are getting is $2.13 an hour (the same as when I waited tables back in the day) plus tips. I regularly made $15 an hour waiting tables back then. My son has done it off and on for the past couple of years at Boise State and he regularly walks with $150 plus in cash for a Friday/Saturday shift. Add in a couple or 3 weeknight shifts (which aren't nearly as good, and you can bring home $500 a week. That's GOOD money for a college student. Not so much for someone trying to make a living.
something something invisible hand something something free market.

Like yeah, the jobs that are available to college students are all crummy in their own ways. Personally I liked sweating my ass off all summer setting up tents and chairs for an events company way more than flipping burgers. Definitely helped I was making 14 an hour rather than the 7.25 I was getting from the burger place. Working at any restaurant is going to suck, and if you cant find people to hire than you obviously aren't paying people enough. "No body wants to work anymore" but apparently Loose Change, TDs, Backstreets, or whatever aren't having to close on Mondays. hmmmm...
 
People don't want to work. People are amazingly soft. Sunday night a guy pulled a knife on my 16 year old son while he was working at Publix. The guy was on something and completely out of his mind. My son was able to lock the door to the store to keep him inside while the police apprehended him. After it was over the manager and all but three of the employees in the front of the store left saying they could no longer work because they were too distressed. A 16-year-old, an 18-year-old and a 22-year-old were left to work the final four hours and close the store at 10. People are pretty gutless and will find any excuse to get out of work.

My son is paid a very good wage to work there. However his best friend who works in a restaurant as a busboy makes almost double what he does because of all the tip income he makes. The Esso Club is almost always busy and the tip income there would be significant. It's a great job to have if you're living in Clemson.

Of course, usual suspects chime in and post their economically ignorant drivel on all this type of stuff.
 
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Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.
Right now the market is determining wages. That is exactly why the Esso club is taking Mondays off. The number of customers on Mondays may not generate enough tips to make it worth while for the workers. Restaurants have always been the starting point for teenagers to get their first job (it was for me). Look at unemployment for teens in the People's Republic of California. They can't get that first job because businesses need people that will work at the level of a $20 per hour plus benefits. Now everything costs more because of the high minimum wage and it is no longer enough to get by (even with food assistance and federal tax credits).
 
Love the Esso Club, but I bet that they pay minimum wage...

And unfortunately, that's not a living wage. So while it's good walking around money for college students, it's not a great position to try and make a living from. I remember back a few years ago where Republicans were fighting the minimum wage hikes, some congressmen tried to survive on that amount while in Washington. Even with a free office to sleep in and free food, they couldn't make it.
The job market is a free market. Better pay, more and better employees.

The minimum wage is not and was never intended to be a living wage. It is an entry level job for teenagers or anyone without a notable skill or advanced education and mostly aimed at part time workers.

If some one want a "living wage", this means getting an education or acquiring skills or work experience to make themselves valuable and therefore higher pay.

Imposing a high minimun wage will blast all kinds of businesses and have a substantial inflationary effect. Fast food becomes unaffordable, etc. Many small businesses close.
 
1. Love to know if your the opinion would change if they chose not to work on Sundays? How about all businesses on Sundays?

2. When is @Cris_Ard opening up free editorial Mondays? 😂
 
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