Easter is the Goal to open America now...

[CUFam98]

Where is the savings going to come from as a result of the schools closing? Teachers are still being paid as are administrators. Or at least they are still working. Cafeteria staff are still preparing lunches for delivery. Obviously some things are "savings" - power, etc - but it won't be huge.

Yes, salary is probably 35-40% of all school district budgets but the operational costs of not opening the buildings are huge. Take out lunches are likely being done with the federal lunch money program (USDA grant I think or using up food that would spoil). Buses aren't running, no fuel costs, no maintenance costs. No supply costs in schools. They are probably saving at least 30% of budget.

If the federal government still funds as if the students are physically in the building, its going to be a boon.

 

[TigerFlow]

Heard Fauci/Surgeon General say the other day if we can keep US death percentages in line with South Korea that would play a factor in loosening up some of the restrictions .

That's a really large IF at this point. Obviously, it would be a tremendous positive for us, but it doesn't seem likely given we aren't taking the same actions that allowed S Korea to get the results they are getting right now.

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Ultimately I guess it will run it's course through our population but not until 2021-2022 and by then will most likely be a vaccine or pill for it. I assume we are going to try and isolate as much now for the next 14 days to help slow it down but as the CDC is now stating it's not as deadly as once thought.

Source? I hadn't seen this info. Seems very early to be making any concrete statements on how we are going to be affected, as the death rate corresponds directly to how overwhelmed the hospitals get....and we just don't how that is going to play out in our communities yet. We will soon.

 

[scullman]

The economy is not going to restart as long as this virus is on the loose. We’ll end up back where we are today in a couple of months if we don’t finish this thing off now while we can. Our economy does not run in a vacuum. Americans won’t be allowed in other countries and foreigners will not travel to America if we allow it to run loose in our country.

At some point it will overtake our healthcare system and we’ll be in worse shape than if we go ahead and lock down now. Our economy is going to take a hit regardless, but it will be much worse if we allow the virus to spread.

 

[deshaunwatson4]

this might be the stupidest post I’ve seen. China is a we country? They live under a dictatorship with the threat of death and no civil liberties. You think it’s culture that allowed them to force everyone inside. Jesus

I mean the most basic sociology classes teach this. The US is the most me-centered culture in the world, and asian cultures have always been much more focused on the whole group

So, definitely not the stupidest post you've seen

 

[CU Alumnus]

Just because Donald Trump is targeting Easter to open up the economy doesn't make it so. If pigs had wings they would fly. No responsible governor, eyeing statistics showing an increase in people getting the virus and rising number of deaths, is going to reopen their states for business, for schools, for churches, etc.

Donald Trump will have egg on his face one of two ways:

1) he will reluctantly take the advice of educated medical professionals and give up on the idea of reopening the country on April 12; or
2) he will reopen and watch as scores more people become infected and die.

It's a goal, not a deadline. Here is the exact quote from CNN:

"I give it two weeks," Trump said earlier in the town hall, suggesting he was ready to phase out his 15-day self-isolating guidelines when they expire. "I guess by Monday or Tuesday, it's about two weeks. We will assess at that time and give it more time if we need a little more time. We have to open this country up."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-easter-economy-coronavirus/index.html

Obviously statements like "a little more time" are meant to instill a sense of optimism.

 

[PAWrocka]

Heard Fauci/Surgeon General say the other day if we can keep US death percentages in line with South Korea that would play a factor in loosening up some of the restrictions .

mortality rate in South Korea was approximately 1.3%, with 90% of Covid tests coming back negative. We are seeing similar numbers here .... but my concern is that the South Korea numbers are from the end of their curve .... we still havent plateaued. The rate of spread was +900% from last week to this week, of course this had a lot to do with people finally getting tested. We need to see that number drop.

 

[shortbus22]

Just because Donald Trump is targeting Easter to open up the economy doesn't make it so. If pigs had wings they would fly. No responsible governor, eyeing statistics showing an increase in people getting the virus and rising number of deaths, is going to reopen their states for business, for schools, for churches, etc.

Donald Trump will have egg on his face one of two ways:

1) he will reluctantly take the advice of educated medical professionals and give up on the idea of reopening the country on April 12; or
2) he will reopen and watch as scores more people become infected and die.

And he will be YOUR president for another 4 years.

 

[Trading Tiger]

Difference in our society vs. Chinese society. We are a me culture in the USA. They are a we culture. Nothing we can ever do about that. Its sad, but its the truth

Not really.

We have freedom, they have communism. They are just as much ME, as we are, maybe even more so. The difference is the chinese government has no problem whatsoever with making people disappear, and the chinese people have nothing to fight back with.

 

[CU_4734]

Right now, my main concern in all of this is my job and the ability to provide for my family. Statistics show it’s not going to kill someone like me. Can I get it? Sure, but it’s a very rare chance that I get critically ill from it. The growing fear is the unemployment spike this will create across all industries. That will do more damage than this has/will from a general perspective.

 

[nealchick]

How do you plan to do that? Nobody living in NYC has the space to have enough resources to not venture out until Easter. Most folks in NYC have to go to the store every day. Do you enforce a national shut down with the National Guard? Do we have enough to enforce it in every town in the country? Does the police bring you your supplies like China under the threat of death if you venture out? So in other words no. We can't do a country wide freakin full mandated shutdown.

Since I happen to be in Georgia, I can 100% tell you that your step sister is either being intentionally wrong, or doesn't live anywhere near a populated area. Theaters and restaurants have been either shut down, or take out only for about a week in almost all the populated areas like Atlanta. Local ordinances allowed for certain variation for smaller/counter only/outside seating restaurants. The governor clarified earlier mandates yesterday, but practically nothing changed. Except now you can do take out beer! People are largely going about their normal outdoor lives, but by definition that is social distancing.

This is completely false. Most people in NYC could shop once or twice a week without issue.

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[Tiger78790812]

I think this is a great goal, but we need to take steps to make sure it can be a reality. Even though we have a stay at home order here in Chicago, life is somewhat normal. The only thing it seems to be stopping is people that would go in to their offices for work and restaurants being carryout only.

 

[CUFam98]

She is being 100% intentionally wrong? What does that even mean?

Friday night she went to a pizza place in peachtree corners, ga to get a take out pizza. The place was packed inside and out with diners. People shaking hands, hugging. The word got out and many people took to social media for the pizza place and shamed them into shutting down for take out only the next day. The governor needs to mandate that places be closed (as many towns in GA are already doing).

Its a southern way of saying she's lying or exaggerating.

The governor had already mandated indoor group limits starting 3/14. The recent announcements extended that to 4/6 and clarified essential business and gave local authorities to go more strict if needed.

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NYC is in shelter in place by the way. You can still go to the store.

So you actually AREN'T asking for a country wide freakin full mandated shutdown. Sounds more like you are asking for what Georgia is doing.

 

[essoclemsontiger]

I think this whole thing is easier to take if people see an end date to it all - a "light at the end of the tunnel", so to speak.

We’ve been given different variations of this and it’s changed daily from the onset. It’s pointless to even take what we’re told seriously.

 

[GHTiger1]

Difference in our society vs. Chinese society. We are a me culture in the USA. They are a we culture. Nothing we can ever do about that. Its sad, but its the truth

They aren't a we culture. They are a yes sir culture or be killed but your point is mostly valid.

 

[WinstonW101]

he is actually right. Now, it might be the many years of living under a brutal communist dictatorship that made them that way, but they are most definitely more concerned with the collective than we are.

I think they’re probably more afraid of the fact their government may run them over with a tank .

 

[deshaunwatson4]

And he will be YOUR president for another 4 years.

it is indeed sad that man could be president of the most powerful country in the world for 8 years

 

[nealchick]

The fine line is when the cases and deaths start to ease.

What this sounds like to me is money and the economy is more important than lives. I'd love to be proven wrong, but that's what it sounds like to me. If you have to go into massive debt and a brief recession to save hundreds of thousands of lives, don't you do it?

--Mr. DT

Sending the country into massive debt and recession has already been done. If this goes on much longer you are looking at a depression including bankruptcy for much of healthcare, private hospitals, suicide, addiction, theft, violent crimes, poverty, etc which would destroy way more lives than this virus is forecast to, even in the worst models.

Those are tough decisions, but will have to be made at some point.

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[CUFam98]

This is completely false. Most people in NYC could shop once or twice a week without issue.

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The average NYC apartment is smaller than 1000 sq ft. There isn't the infrastructure to live isolated for more than a couple of days. The whole city relies on immediate replenishment of inventory. Which is why the COVID response in NYC needs to be different than the COVID response in Albany NY or Greenville, SC.

 

[shortbus22]

it is indeed sad that man could be president of the most powerful country in the world for 8 years

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN???

Spoiler: Here's how...

 

[DI Tiger]

The economy is not going to restart as long as this virus is on the loose. We’ll end up back where we are today in a couple of months if we don’t finish this thing off now while we can. Our economy does not run in a vacuum. Americans won’t be allowed in other countries and foreigners will not travel to America if we allow it to run loose in our country.

At some point it will overtake our healthcare system and we’ll be in worse shape than if we go ahead and lock down now. Our economy is going to take a hit regardless, but it will be much worse if we allow the virus to spread.

How are you going to "finish this thing" a virus off? Lock down measures slow the spread, but we will all eventually get exposed to the virus anyway. We can't stay in lock down until a vaccine is developed and manufactured in quantities so that the entire world population is vaccinated. Continue/ratchet up the current measures until mid April (Easter), see where we are at. Hopefully that will flatten the curve enough so that hospital system is not overloaded, give PPE manufacturers time to catch up with demand, give time for medical supply/testing companies to end shortages of test kits. Most of us can go back to work, older folks like my parents (and others enhanced risk populations) will need to continue to stay at home and let others do their shopping and errands for them.

 

[nealchick]

FIFY

it is wonderful that this man will be president of the most powerful country in the world for 8 years

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[vatiger1]

Can you please provide a link? Just would like to read this? I know Trump said he wants the business back up by Easter, but do not see anything about the CDC saying it is not a deadly. Not saying you are incorrect.

Turn on Fox News, Interview on WH Lawn, it was live but being plastered all over the news now.

 

[nytigerfan]

Its a southern way of saying she's lying or exaggerating.

The governor had already mandated indoor group limits starting 3/14. The recent announcements extended that to 4/6 and clarified essential business and gave local authorities to go more strict if needed.



So you actually AREN'T asking for a country wide freakin full mandated shutdown. Sounds more like you are asking for what Georgia is doing.

She is not lying. Here is the restaurants posted this notice on March 21 (saturday).

No. Shelter in place means it is enforcable. What georgia is doing is not. Georgians can take their kids to the park right now with no repercussions.

 

[Daytontiger]

Sending the country into massive debt and recession has already been done. If this goes on much longer you are looking at a depression including bankruptcy for much of healthcare, private hospitals, suicide, addiction, theft, violent crimes, poverty, etc which would destroy way more lives than this virus is forecast to, even in the worst models.

Those are tough decisions, but will have to be made at some point.

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I agree that it's a tough decision that needs to be made at some point. It's way too early now, cases have just started to rise here. NYC is already approaching critical mass. And now we're announcing the "end"? Too soon.

--Mr. DT

 

[shortbus22]

I agree that it's a tough decision that needs to be made at some point. It's way too early now, cases have just started to rise here. NYC is already approaching critical mass. And now we're announcing the "end"? Too soon.

--Mr. DT

Who announced the end? Last I saw, he was just speculating a month out that we could be at the end by then. Read: Hope. Some don't want to hear hope, for whatever reason.

 

[TheValley91]

Not really.

We have freedom, they have communism. They are just as much ME, as we are, maybe even more so. The difference is the chinese government has no problem whatsoever with making people disappear, and the chinese people have nothing to fight back with.

You really dont know much.

 

[pharout73]

Difference in our society vs. Chinese society. We are a me culture in the USA. They are a we culture. Nothing we can ever do about that. Its sad, but its the truth

Yes, China is such a "we" culture that they locked people in their Apartments. China is a Dictatorship and ruled with an iron hand.

 

[nytigerfan]

And he will be YOUR president for another 4 years.

and we made it to page 2 before someone had to be douche and devolve this into tribal politics.

 

[CUGladiator]

Who announced the end? Last I saw, he was just speculating a month out that we could be at the end by then. Read: Hope. Some don't want to hear hope, for whatever reason.

True words. It's amazing to me how CNN and some people on the left get upset when anyone tries to be the slightest bit optimistic about this thing. It's almost like you're a heartless monster if you predict anything less than a full year of death and financial turmoil for the country. It's almost as if there's an ulterior motive at play....

 

[CUGladiator]

and we made it to page 2 before someone had to be douche and devolve this into tribal politics.

says the guy with THAT avatar.

 

[shortbus22]

and we made it to page 2 before someone had to be douche and devolve this into tribal politics.

Avatar checks out.

 

[CU Alumnus]

They aren't a we culture. They are a yes sir culture or be killed but your point is mostly valid.

I have been told that in business the Chinese (Chinese companies) will never tell you they won't do something. They will at least try. Sometimes they will fail spectacularly, but they'll take the business and try to make the part you want.

Not sure if this is cultural or just a business tactic.

 

[vatiger1]

I agree that it's a tough decision that needs to be made at some point. It's way too early now, cases have just started to rise here. NYC is already approaching critical mass. And now we're announcing the "end"? Too soon.

--Mr. DT

With the rate of Infection in NY now, in 14 days will have a good idea of the death rate. That is the wait/see approach. If it stays at a 1.00%ish or even goes down then I would guess that will drive the decision go/no go as to open or push out longer.

 

[CU Alumnus]

I think they’re probably more afraid of the fact their government may run them over with a tank .

Pfft. Like that would ever happen.

Oh wait....

Spoiler

Not sure if they actually ran that guy over.

 

[nealchick]

The average NYC apartment is smaller than 1000 sq ft. There isn't the infrastructure to live isolated for more than a couple of days. The whole city relies on immediate replenishment of inventory. Which is why the COVID response in NYC needs to be different than the COVID response in Albany NY or Greenville, SC.

I didn't say that the response shouldn't be different in a large metropolitan area. I live in NY and to say that those living in NYC need to shop daily is ignorant. 1,000 sf isn't a small space depending on how many occupy. Anyone with a refrigerator and one cabinet should be able to survive shopping once or twice a week. JMHO

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[nytigerfan]

Avatar checks out.

Like you said, he is my president. I am allowed to be critical of my president, because that is what America is all about. Nobody had made this thread about the election until you did.

and thanks to you, another informative thread to the round table.

 

[Daytontiger]

Who announced the end? Last I saw, he was just speculating a month out that we could be at the end by then. Read: Hope. Some don't want to hear hope, for whatever reason.

I don't know about you, but I find idle speculation = great leadership.

 

[shortbus22]

I don't know about you, but I find idle speculation = great leadership.

Neither does fear mongering.

Look, I'm not even a huge Trump guy. I'm definitely a moderate conservative. But I didn't vote for him the first go around. I have just sat back and watched. But the guy can't say anything without someone bashing him.

He didn't say it would definitely be open by Easter. He said he hoped it would. Hell, I hope it will too. And I personally think more Americans need to believe/hope for positive results and a quicker end to this than what is being perpetuated.

Face it, neither side is sure what the "end" looks like. I ain't mad at him for painting a positive picture of it. We need more of that, not less iyam.

 

[shortbus22]

Like you said, he is my president. I am allowed to be critical of my president, because that is what America is all about. Nobody had made this thread about the election until you did.

and thanks to you, another informative thread to the round table.

I despise the guy I posted at. I taunted him. Big whoop. If your thoughts fall in line with his, I am glad I got you triggered and this thread got moved.

I'm not even a Trump guy btw.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

She is being 100% intentionally wrong? What does that even mean?

Friday night she went to a pizza place in peachtree corners, ga to get a take out pizza. The place was packed inside and out with diners. People shaking hands, hugging. The word got out and many people took to social media for the pizza place and shamed them into shutting down for take out only the next day. The governor needs to mandate that places be closed (as many towns in GA are already doing).

NYC is in shelter in place by the way. You can still go to the store.

Not to be ugly, but why don't you speak for NYC, while we Georgians let you know the facts down here. Your sister is off base, and folks here are abiding just as they've been asked to do.