Fascinating findings

[TigerEE91]

I sure hope you're wrong about most of this. I can only speak for myself in saying I will do everything in my power to fight these measures. What a horrible place to live that would make for . Just horrible. I don't think the Feds have done nearly as bad a job as you're stating but they have also said since day one they would support, not implement. I don't know how people keep missing this. In these situations, the Feds should be doing very little other than using resources to support localities and states. Local leadership is far better equipped to have an actual impact in a country this big.

I understand much of that will not be popular among many. I'm no historian but I do read a lot of middle-age, white-guy history books like many of you on here I just look at the American response to the Great Depression: the New Deal. Then look at our build-up of the military-industrial complex as a result of WW2. Look at the Space Race. Look at our 20-year boondoggle in the Middle East. My gut - and nothing more - tells me that the U.S. will embark on a 10-20 year response to this because it is as big of a shock to our system as 9/11, Pearl Harbor, and the 1929 stock market crash. Politicians absolutely will look to form a government response to this to ensure that we are not caught completely flat-footed again.

To your last assertion, that is fine that that is your belief. My belief is that how this plays out over 2020 will leave most of America to conclude that we need a much more capable federal safety net. I don't actually believe the federal government can most effectively do that - I'm just saying it will be a honey pot that aspiring politicians will not ignore and the majority of Americans will demand it.

 

[Willence]

It has been an ongoing tug of war between those two for several years (research the battle over the MTA for an example). DeBlasio had a completely bizarre statement a couple of weeks back where he outright floated the idea of a total lockdown (to apparently include transportation, bridges, tunnels, etc..) of NYC. Cuomo instantly shot that down and said it would never happen but the fact those two weren't even on the same page speaks volumes.

Cuomo is a Democrat who actually has been a target of the "progressives", of which there are obviously many in a city like NYC. He's been a friend to the massive real estate interests in the city and has been viewed as underfunding/crippling the MTA.

Honestly, though, what all this has taught me is that the day to day policies of politicians are largely meaningless compared to their ability to communicate, show empathy, and provide leadership in times of crisis. I think even most conservative Republicans would give Cuomo high marks on all of that. I don't watch his press conferences every day but it's clear he's really speaking from the heart and is doing all he can to help which is about all you can ask.

Have to disagree again. I'll take leaders who act. There's a litany of mistakes that have been made in nearly every aspect of this and there were warnings that could have helped with what we're going through now. If our "day to day" policies focused on what the actual role of government is then we wouldn't be in nearly such a mess. Instead we focus on who can use what bathroom and things of that nature. We're so unserious and generally belligerent with one another on social policy that things which actually matter don't get done. Communication and empathy can also be read as tell people want they want to hear, make them feel better and lie about the things that aren't good. That's no leadership at all. No one ever questions where we're being led and why?

Give me sound fundamentals based on Constitutional principles and an awareness of why a public official is in office and who they serve and how they should serve. I don't need to feel good. I just need to feel like our elected officials are competent, understand theirs and stick to those roles and not expanding their powers. Hard to believe how many people get sucked in by the feel good crap. Now that is meaningless.

 

[clemsontyger04]

Trumps got a 60% approval rating on how he’s handling this. As the virus gets crushed in the next 8 weeks, the rating will only go up. If he didn’t stop those China flights, we would be worse than Italy. At the time, the main stream media bashed that decision as racist. Not a good look for them. Ask see I Deblasio encouraged New Yorkers and city leaders to go celebrate the Chinese Holiday in China Town. That spread the virus biggily.
Speaking of Italy, they tried to be PC, and it came back to haunt them. Look up-Hug a Chinaman Day. It exasperated the crisis. As did all the Chinese that returned to North Italy on planes after the Chinese New Year.

Trump was again late to the party. Airlines had already taken these measures. Also only 60% in a crisis is not something to brag about.

 

[Earle36]

Trump was again late to the party. Airlines had already taken these measures. Also only 60% in a crisis is not something to brag about.

Like a moth to the flame, his name makes you respond like a Pavlov's Dog.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Yes, he pretty clearly is struggling with some concepts here. BigTime, let's get one thing straight. Every single day this month has had the highest number of new cases. We set a record every day. What is slowing down is the rate by which we increase every day.

FIFY

 

[deshaunwatson4]

Like a moth to the flame, his name makes you respond like a Pavlov's Dog.

and like sheep, you and his other supporters will follow him no matter what

How anyone can say this has been handled well by the US is completely beyond me. It defies all logic

 

[clemsontyger04]

Like a moth to the flame, his name makes you respond like a Pavlov's Dog.

Stfu earle

 

[Charybdis]

Don't look now, but today's numbers are sky high. 11,000 new cases today and we're just to noon. On pace for 22-24,000 new cases today.

 

[CUFam98]

Don't look now, but today's numbers are sky high. 11,000 new cases today and we're just to noon. On pace for 22-24,000 new cases today.

Looks like Ga jumped 800 cases since yesterday. But the hospitalization rate fell from 25 to 21%. Looks like roughly only 25 more hospitalizations.

I'm guessing the spike is the result of more tests or more reporting. Looks like about 2500 more tests than yesterday. Overall positive rate actually went down 2%.

(I'm going off memory, I dont have yesterdays numbers handy)

 

[Ancheaux's Revenge]

"No. Not at all. And -- we're -- we have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's—going to be just fine."

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Looks like Ga jumped 800 cases since yesterday. But the hospitalization rate fell from 25 to 21%. Looks like roughly only 25 more hospitalizations.

I'm guessing the spike is the result of more tests or more reporting. Looks like about 2500 more tests than yesterday. Overall positive rate actually went down 2%.

(I'm going off memory, I dont have yesterdays numbers handy)

here you go
Yesterday
Georgia 3,032 +349 102 +19 2,930
New York 67,325 +6,646 1,342 +279 61,674
Currently Today
Georgia 3,817 +785 108 +6 3,709
New York 75,795 +8,470 1,550 +208 69,270

USA
State
Total Cases
New Cases
Total Deaths
New Deaths
Active cases
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

[Earle36]

and like sheep, you and his other supporters will follow him no matter what

How anyone can say this has been handled well by the US is completely beyond me. It defies all logic

Your the sheep, supporting CNN and Hillary. Plus lots of organizations and people just as bad. I heard that newspapers are in really bad shape now. Poor little leftist.

 

[deshaunwatson4]

Your the sheep, supporting CNN and Hillary. Plus lots of organizations and people just as bad. I heard that newspapers are in really bad shape now. Poor little leftist.

who said I was supporting any of those things? Not liking Trump doesn't automatically mean liking CNN or Hillary

 

[Rychek4]

This thread makes math cry. We may have some issues here and there with reporting but the rate is still increasing at an exponential rate. Tonight we will probably pass 1000 deaths in a single day. It was around 670 at 6pm.

edit: 709 at 7:30pm Eastern

 

[steele-tiger]

Already over 23,500 cases today.

Do look forward to BigTimeTiger coming back in a week when he has re-re-refigured it all out to tell us why he is right and all experts are wrong by posting the same graph in fifty different threads.

 

[COB1297]

Already over 23,500 cases today.

Do look forward to BigTimeTiger coming back in a week when he has re-re-refigured it all out to tell us why he is right and all experts are wrong by posting the same graph in fifty different threads.

Honestly can’t wait for him to be right.

 

[steele-tiger]

Honestly can’t wait for him to be right.

Me too. Just hope it doesn't take him until next year at this time to figure it out.

 

[Charybdis]

Almost 25,000 new cases today and 750ish deaths. Today was a bad day and a reminder that we still have a ways to go. What bothers me more is that as a percentage of cases, New York actually went down. The last week or so New York had accounted for half of all U.S. cases. We could sort of lie to ourselves and say that this was predominantly an urban problem. There are clearly inroads being made elsewhere.

 

[TheValley91]

here you go
Yesterday
Georgia 3,032 +349 102 +19 2,930
New York 67,325 +6,646 1,342 +279 61,674
Currently Today
Georgia 3,817 +785 108 +6 3,709
New York 75,795 +8,470 1,550 +208 69,270

USA
State
Total Cases
New Cases
Total Deaths
New Deaths
Active cases
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Your georgia numbers are wrong.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Your georgia numbers are wrong.

Notice it said Currently Today as in at the time of my post. So no, my numbers are not wrong at the time of my post. The Link provided to my source below is the most current and up to date numbers. Feel free to use it anytime. That is, if you can understand concepts such as statistics, math, letters, words, numbers, time and some other simple concepts for most all others. You’re itching to be right so bad that you have to call outdated stats wrong to be right lol.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Current Final numbers for March 31st
Georgia 4,117 +1,085 125 +23 3,992

Thanks for playing

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Already over 23,500 cases today.

Do look forward to BigTimeTiger coming back in a week when he has re-re-refigured it all out to tell us why he is right and all experts are wrong by posting the same graph in fifty different threads.

According to @TheValley91 ‘s reasoning skills your 23,500 is wrong. lol

Currently the numbers for March 31 (GMT) are:

• 24742 new cases and 912 new deaths in the United States

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Almost 25,000 new cases today and 750ish deaths. Today was a bad day and a reminder that we still have a ways to go. What bothers me more is that as a percentage of cases, New York actually went down. The last week or so New York had accounted for half of all U.S. cases. We could sort of lie to ourselves and say that this was predominantly an urban problem. There are clearly inroads being made elsewhere.

Hey @TheValley91 you need to call this here fella out lol

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Me too. Just hope it doesn't take him until next year at this time to figure it out.

It won’t but it might take @TheValley91 a few centuries to understand it all after I do.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

This thread makes math cry. We may have some issues here and there with reporting but the rate is still increasing at an exponential rate. Tonight we will probably pass 1000 deaths in a single day. It was around 670 at 6pm.

edit: 709 at 7:30pm Eastern

Found you another one @TheValley91 sic’ ‘em lol

 

[TheValley91]

Found you another one @TheValley91 sic’ ‘em lol

Rent free baby.

 

[Larry_Williams]

Trumps got a 60% approval rating on how he’s handling this. As the virus gets crushed in the next 8 weeks, the rating will only go up. If he didn’t stop those China flights, we would be worse than Italy. At the time, the main stream media bashed that decision as racist. Not a good look for them. Ask see I Deblasio encouraged New Yorkers and city leaders to go celebrate the Chinese Holiday in China Town. That spread the virus biggily.
Speaking of Italy, they tried to be PC, and it came back to haunt them. Look up-Hug a Chinaman Day. It exasperated the crisis. As did all the Chinese that returned to North Italy on planes after the Chinese New Year.

Honest question: What type of "look" was it for our president and his cronies like Hannity to dismiss this as a hoax for the longest time?

The sooner you and others realize there are "bad looks" on both sides of this, the better off you'll be.

Deblasio's decree to behave as normal looks awful. And so does what a lot of our so-called leaders (on both sides) have said (and not said).

This is America and everyone is free to believe whatever the hell they want to believe. No offense taken or intended. But this horrific episode is truly showing that some people are way more loyal to their political tribe than their political tribe is to them.

 

[FLaw47]

Honest question: What type of "look" was it for our president and his cronies like Hannity to dismiss this as a hoax for the longest time?

The sooner you and others realize there are "bad looks" on both sides of this, the better off you'll be.

Deblasio's decree to behave as normal looks awful. And so does what a lot of our so-called leaders (on both sides) have said (and not said).

This is America and everyone is free to believe whatever the hell they want to believe. No offense taken or intended. But this horrific episode is truly showing that some people are way more loyal to their political tribe than their political tribe is to them.

Larry, my understanding is that criticizing the President in any regard is tantamount to treason and makes you a socialist.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Shouldnt you ask the same of others or are we just going to focus on a Mayor?

Or just a President

Something that would probably surprise a lot of people is how little power the President actually has over individual states and municipalities in these types of situations. Governors and mayors actually have more power.

His role is to get the proper federal authorities involved, and move or destroy anything in their way. He may have power over interstate travel, but that is down to local states to enforce.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Rent free baby.

I see you don’t care to discuss your stupidity.

PS here are the CURRENT stats for Georgia today.


Georgia 4,638 +521 139 +14 4,499


Currently
92,659 abortions today

 

[Tigerpaw00]

Makes me hopeful we're starting to flatten the curve. One of the things I've been doing is tracking the growth factor, that is, dividing the current day's number of new infections to the prior day's number.

By doing this we can get a general sense of if transmission is accelerating or decelerating.

If the GF is above 1.0, we're still solidly in exponential growth, and still could have orders of magnitude more infections to go.

But if we can start to live at or below 1.0, we reach the inflection point, and start to see the curve flatten and then decline. Once the inflection point has been reached, we're essentially as the half-way point in terms of #'s of infections.

Now to be clear, every single day in the month of March we've had a larger # of new infections than the prior day. But the rate of that growth seems to have slowed. Going back ten days, the five day growth factor for 3/22-3/26 was 17,224/9,400 (roughly 1.83). The growth factor for the next five days, 3/26-3/30 was only 1.18. The growth factor for the last two days was only 1.02.

The medium term and short term trends seem to suggest that rates of transmission are in fact slowing.

It’s encouraging and I think we will see more slowdown. However, a problem with this is that the slow confirmation of positives from the CDC creates an inaccurate daily total. Say we have 2,000 new positives tomorrow. Well those could have been from two weeks ago and are just now confirmed and on record but not an accurate measure today’s growth.

 

[Rychek4]

Currently
92,659 abortions today

In one day?

 

[BigTimeTiger]

It seems like you are only looking at what you want to be true and ignoring what’s happening in America.

Nope everything I said was true

 

[BigTimeTiger]

That’s true but they only got through a small amount of the tests. There’s still a backlog. We will see if the numbers keep going up...the models show that S.C. won’t spike until about May 2nd.

It is spiked

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Again, you aren't interpreting the data in the proper context. First, the notion that this has been a 40 day trend is absurd.

When looking at AMERICAN growth factors, the last month is the only span of time we have any real data on which to rely.

The last two weeks the US growth factors are as follow, starting on 3/16 and moving forward to yesterday:
1.77, 1.63, 1.61, 1.22, 1.95, 1.08, 1.09, 1.21, 1.29, 1.08, 1.04, 1.02, 1.02.

Notice two things:
-First, we bump around a lot. Flattening is a process and not an event.
-Second, there is no real data in America on which to track the growth before 3/16. There had hardly been any tests. You seem adamant that the data indicates that things were resolving themselves before social distancing. The US data suggests the opposite.

Trump declares state of emergency on 3/13. Schools close and local and state governments implement social distancing/suppression measures soon thereafter.

The data from 3/16-3/20 shows significantly higher growth factors (1.77, 1.63, 1.61, 1.95) and it SHOULD. Because of the incubation period of 5-7 days, the reported cases from that date range measures transmissions BEFORE suppression efforts.

When you get past 3/21, you begin to see a noticeable downward trend.

It’s flat, the 40+ day trend continued

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/

All you
SHEEPLE
can go back to sleep till November now.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Already over 23,500 cases today.

Do look forward to BigTimeTiger coming back in a week when he has re-re-refigured it all out to tell us why he is right and all experts are wrong by posting the same graph in fifty different threads.

Hmmm I’m back!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/

 

[Rychek4]

92,659 abortions today

In one day?

 

[dickerj]

Already over 23,500 cases today.

Do look forward to BigTimeTiger coming back in a week when he has re-re-refigured it all out to tell us why he is right and all experts are wrong by posting the same graph in fifty different threads.

Bump

 

[hopefultiger13]

My prediction is that if opening the economy works, Trump will take credit for pushing to open the economy. If it doesn't and we have to start over he'll blame the governors, and he and Hannity will have a circle jerk telling us how the Dems were pushing to open the economy early and they were trying to stop it.

Folks on here will blame the 2nd wave of infections on the Deep State operatives that Obama activated yesterday.

 

[hopefultiger13]

They won’t because TRUMP is never responsible for anything bad.

Fixed it for you with the guy who NEVER takes responsibility...