Gaza

[TigerGrowls]

Trump is 10 steps ahead of everyone.



Alright, here’s my take on Trump’s announcement about the Gaza Strip:

Trump points out how the last 100 years have been nothing but violence, and rather than continue this vicious cycle, Trump is exploring a more permanent plan for peace.

The Deep State thrive on instability and war. They like Israel and Palestine being in an endless state of conflict, so they can justify endless foreign aid for weapons, humanitarian aid, etc., which they launder. By finding a permanent solution for peace and bringing lasting stability to the region, the Deep State are unable to operate.

Trump also highlights how the main goal is to ultimately stop the killing. Perhaps the best thing for the People of Israel, Palestine, and the world, is for these two nations to have some distance from each other, because clearly, they cannot coexist peacefully.

That’s not to say I think Israel or Hamas are the “good guys”. I side with the innocent People on all sides, and simply wish for the slaughter to end. I think Israel is a corrupt and oppressive to the Palestinians, yet Hamas committed heinous acts of terror. The only “good guys” in my eyes are the civilians who just want to live in peace.

However, I’m not overly fond of the idea of forcing the Palestinian People away from their homeland, but I also do not have a better solution. The Palestinian People are being exterminated, Gaza is already a pile of rubble, and the Palestinians are essentially prisoners of an apartheid state. Something has to change. I’d argue moving the Israeli People might be the better idea, but I don’t make the decisions.

Also, this very well could be a Trump negotiation tactic to get the Islamic nations in the region to be more willing to come to the table, similar to how Trump used tariffs as a negotiation tool. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes. Perhaps there’s a lot that we do not know.

In conclusion, I think Trump has proven to us he has a vision, a plan, he has good intentions, and he is set on destroying the Deep State. I mean the man is literally purging the FBI, CIA, USAID, and Dept. of Education as we speak.

Do I fully understand this plan for Gaza? Absolutely not, but I think Trump has earned the benefit of the doubt, and we should all wait to see how it plays out before declaring that the sky is falling.

 

[CUTiger1977]

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"Times Change. People Move. Life Goes On. Nothing Is Permanent When it comes to Gaza the area has been inhabited since ancient times, with early settlers including the Canaanites, Philistines, and later groups such as the Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, and Islamic caliphates.In more recent history, Gaza became a significant hub for Palestinians, particularly during the Ottoman Empire and British Mandate periods. By the mid-20th century, following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, many Palestinian refugees fled or were displaced into Gaza, solidifying its identity as a predominantly Palestinian territory. The region’s strategic location along the Mediterranean coast has long made it a coveted prize for empires and nations alike. From ancient trade routes to modern military considerations, Gaza’s value has rarely been in question. However, this very desirability has also made it a flashpoint for conflict, with each successive power leaving its mark on the land and its people.We are here witnessing a shift of the ages. This is not your grandfather's colonial nightmare. The US has long been an arbitration factor for many conflicts where we clean up what is left and maintain a stronghold until that region recovers.Just ask Iraq. Donald Trump has said many times pay us for the investments and financing and we will remove our troops. America does not work for free. We will no longer be the public water fountain for passer-by countries. BRICS Nations are learning this lesson now. So we have to look at this as neccessary steps toward the liberation we all seek. And unfortunately not everything was clean. But it will definitely pay off. And some of us will be the initial benefactors of this historical undertaking. And you all know what that is."

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[PAWrocka]

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that this … this … this probably isn’t a good idea.

 

[dbjork6317]

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Lol we HAD a nuclear peace agreement with Iran. He pissed all over it in his first term.

 

[yoshi121374]

Lol we HAD a nuclear peace agreement with Iran. He pissed all over it in his first term.

Don't bring facts to this. His fanboys literally believe everything he tells them. It doesn't matter if he flips each time.

 

[dbjork6317]

Don't bring facts to this. His fanboys literally believe everything he tells them. It doesn't matter if he flips each time.

Its like him talking about how bad the trade deal with Canada is, how its the worst deal ever, who made this deal?? When HE’S the one who made the deal. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Wait a minute, one of the FEW things I agreed with Trump on was staying the F out of the Middle East. 100 years of killing? Are you kidding me? People have been merrily killing each other there since the dawn of recorded history. It's not just a Israel/Palistinian issue. PLENTY of folks hate each other over there.

Putting troops into the Gaza strip sounds like a really bad idea. WHEN has putting US troops there ever gone well for us long term?

 

[CUTiger1977]

Lol we HAD a nuclear peace agreement with Iran. He pissed all over it in his first term.

 

[DW4_2016]

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Wow. It’s going to be difficult for you to figure out who to support. On the one side you love Russia and promote them forcibly taking land from their neighbors. On the other hand they’re handing nukes to our enemies. On the third hand it’s our favorite president’s favorite president. How will you decide?

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

Wait a minute, one of the FEW things I agreed with Trump on was staying the F out of the Middle East. 100 years of killing? Are you kidding me? People have been merrily killing each other there since the dawn of recorded history. It's not just a Israel/Palistinian issue. PLENTY of folks hate each other over there.

Putting troops into the Gaza strip sounds like a really bad idea. WHEN has putting US troops there ever gone well for us long term?

Exactly. My opposition to this has absolutely nothing to do with any specific feeling on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

The only stance I have is that I am firmly in the camp of they don't hate us for what we are, they hate us for what we do. Why give the jihadists more support?

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

Lol we HAD a nuclear peace agreement with Iran. He pissed all over it in his first term.

And now they are closer to the bomb than they've ever been. Where before, it was kinda hard to build nuclear weapons without the enriched uranium needed.

 

[CUTiger1977]

Wow. It’s going to be difficult for you to figure out who to support. On the one side you love Russia and promote them forcibly taking land from their neighbors. On the other hand they’re handing nukes to our enemies. On the third hand it’s our favorite president’s favorite president. How will you decide?

Are you trying to respond to Homeland Security?

 

[ANEW]

Exactly. My opposition to this has absolutely nothing to do with any specific feeling on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

The only stance I have is that I am firmly in the camp of they don't hate us for what we are, they hate us for what we do. Why give the jihadists more support?

Assuming you are not a practicing muslim, the true jihadis hate you for what you are. A kafir.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Well, you gotta realize what the REAL deal is with Gaza. That's prime beach front property. I'm sure that Trump plans on the US footing the bill in money and blood to clean that up and remove all the undesirables. THEN he'll sell off the real estate to private ventures for development. Anyone want to bet that Trump's going to make out like a bandit there?

 

[dpic73]

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

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Truly the party of compassion and moral conviction.

I wouldn’t vote for somebody that sent several billion dollars worth of military aid to a country dropping bombs on my friends and family. And Kamala had every chance to say she disagreed with that and said the opposite. She wouldn’t change anything

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[dpic73]

Truly the party of compassion and moral conviction.

I wouldn’t vote for somebody that sent several billion dollars worth of military aid to a country dropping bombs on my friends and family. And Kamala had every chance to say she disagreed with that and said the opposite. She wouldn’t change anything

The point was we tried to tell them it would be even worse if they voted for the other guy and now they're being threatened with displacement from their land altogether.

 

[CUTiger1977]

Boots on the ground in Gaza

 

[hopefultiger13]

Much as I hate to say it, Trump's plan could work. I mean there's certainly history to support that. You've got a relatively weak group of people occupying valuable land that some group(s) of stronger folks want. You remove the people and send them elsewhere (far enough away that it's difficult to get back), then just take the land and develop it.

That's kind of how Israel was formed in the first place. You can also point to the Indian removal of the 1830s that opened up millions of acres of the Deep South to settlers. Obviously, the Cherokee removal is the most famous of these, but between 1830 and 1850, the Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations were forcibly removed to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi river.

Sure, out of the 16K or so Cherokee that were removed, somewhere around 4K died during the trip and even more died from sickness and starvation once they got there, but the point is that the the land and the conflicts associated with it were pretty much instantly solved. You can make the same case here. Just move these folks. I'd bet we could negotiate with Sudan or Etheopia or Somolia to take them. Problem solved. I'm sure that they'd have some trouble settling in, but they'll work it out.

Then you could develop all that Med beach front property into something worthwhile.

 

[ANEW]

Much as I hate to say it, Trump's plan could work. I mean there's certainly history to support that. You've got a relatively weak group of people occupying valuable land that some group(s) of stronger folks want. You remove the people and send them elsewhere (far enough away that it's difficult to get back), then just take the land and develop it.

That's kind of how Israel was formed in the first place. You can also point to the Indian removal of the 1830s that opened up millions of acres of the Deep South to settlers. Obviously, the Cherokee removal is the most famous of these, but between 1830 and 1850, the Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations were forcibly removed to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi river.

Sure, out of the 16K or so Cherokee that were removed, somewhere around 4K died during the trip and even more died from sickness and starvation once they got there, but the point is that the the land and the conflicts associated with it were pretty much instantly solved. You can make the same case here. Just move these folks. I'd bet we could negotiate with Sudan or Etheopia or Somolia to take them. Problem solved. I'm sure that they'd have some trouble settling in, but they'll work it out.

Then you could develop all that Med beach front property into something worthwhile.

Respect the open mind.

Israel rubbled the rubble in Gaza. If gaza is rebuilt and the Palestinians stay, Hamas stays. Any aid given from the international community will go partially or entirely to hamas. At some point hamas will attack israel and then Gaza will be rubble again. Rinse and repeat.

Trump essentially said, since you two can't get along, you are going to make me solve this for you. I'll take the toy that you both want and neither one of you will have it. I also think Trump looks at most things through a financial lens. Rebuilding Gaza is going to be a money pit. If the US Taxpayers are going to be dropping $$ into that hole then it better achieve an outcome that somehow benefits us or lowers future expenditures long term.

Pretty crazy. But it is a conversation starter, and its not any crazier than doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different end result.