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Georgia legislature approves election integrity bill, Gov. Kemp signs it into law

That doesn't seem correct.

“No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector,” the law reads.

Fair enough but I still don't see the issue. Bring your own water, bring you own snack.......simple solution here.

Personally, I don't really care if they hand out water to those in line and I think this is a stupid law. Most people know who they are voting for before they show up. A bottle of water with a blue label instead of a red one isn't shifting a vote in my opinion.

Promising a $2000 covid check.......well, that's another story :)
 
After reading over this law on every provision associated with it, the only reason anyone would be against this is if they are looking to cheat. It's not racist and it's not Jim Crow and to say otherwise is disingenuous at best. Just more of the soft bigotry of low expectations that we have come to expect. I don't know why anyone puts up with it. It makes me sad.
 
One thing I think we can all agree on. Why are we voting on a Tuesday still? Make it a Saturday and keep that thing open for 24 hrs.
 
Law of cause and effect.


 
All of them.

It's fascinating to study you folks. I mean that seriously. 2 contentious provisions are:

Voter ID, which is the norm in most European countries and obviously completely logical

Shifting the in-person handout of water to a self-service water station

I mean if those don't scream segregation, I don't know what does.
 
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After reading over this law on every provision associated with it, the only reason anyone would be against this is if they are looking to cheat. It's not racist and it's not Jim Crow and to say otherwise is disingenuous at best. Just more of the soft bigotry of low expectations that we have come to expect. I don't know why anyone puts up with it. It makes me sad.

It's a combination of that and the messaging from the media and even, sadly, the POTUS. The food and drink thing is a complete joke and latching on to that just shows how little substance they care about. Our politicians are 100% shock jocks at this point and it's sad and disgraceful.
 
I love reading this thread from start to finish. So much just patent lies.

And the irony of all this is that 2 years ago, Stacey Abrams and the Dems had a uniform message that the Sec of State, who is a statewide elected official, being over elections was a direct conflict of interest and had sued Kemp numerous times over it. So now that the Sec of State ISN'T in charge any more its an attempt at voter suppression and Jim Crow.

And you might want to get control of Clyburn. He's ruining the messaging on the Dem's real intention of all these vote efforts.

"Since when do their rights take precedence over your fellow Democrat [Sen. Raphael] Warnock, who saw his state just pass laws to keep him from getting reelected?" Clyburn said. "And you’re going to say it’s more important for you to protect 50 Republicans in the Senate than for you to protect your fellow Democrat’s seat in Georgia. That’s a bunch of crap." https://news.yahoo.com/jim-clyburn-launches-scathing-attack-215923102.html
 
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The big deal has less to do with the ID requirement, which I don't have a problem with, and more to do with the over-reaction to a lie. He went as draconian as he could to make it harder to vote due to something that didn't happen. I admittedly haven't read the bill, but if the news is correct about the new rules regarding polls closing at 5:00PM, appointing a board that can overturn local electors, removing drop off ballot locations, etc...then this is an obvious attempt at keeping less people from the polls. Remember, everyone isn't as blessed as you and I and therefore some can't get to the polls during the limited hours, for many reasons.

As far as your unrelated Biden comment - PFFTT. :)

The news has been misleading on the polls being open. Election Day hasn’t changed, it’s 7-7. Early voting hours were defined previously as “working hours” which led to different interpretations depending on the county. So they defined working hours as 9-5 but will allow polls to be open 7-7 if the county wants to. They also added additional days for early voting. Going forward voters of any race will have more opportunities to vote in person than they did before. This has been the most head scratching issue folks are bringing up. Voting in person is now easier than it was before and not more restrictive.

It’s my understanding GA used drop boxes for the first time ever in 2020(please correct me if I’m wrong here). Naturally more were put out because of the pandemic and now there will be less because there hopefully won’t be a pandemic during the next election. I didn’t follow it closely but I don’t recall there being outrage of no drop boxes before 2020. If we compare these new rules to non pandemic years(pre 2020) there are way more opportunities for people to vote than before.

The water/food and voter id arguments seem silly and basic common sense to me so I won’t even get into that. I find it strange these are the 2 issues brought up the most about the bill.

I lean to the right but have definitely voted Democrat in the past if I like the candidate. I struggled with the new GA law because I kept seeing all this outrage bu none of the articles I read provided me with any substance as to why people were actually angry. So I tried to do some digging and actually understand the changes.

I guess I can see some arguments being made about certain changes and different ways to improve voting going forward. But I just can’t find anything that screams racism, voter suppression, or white supremacy. And the amount of misinformation being put out there by the media and our president is absurd.

Trump said all kids of dumb stuff and misleading things that I hated but the exact same thing is going on right now with Democrats. Pretty disheartening the highest leadership for both parties have gone to crap.
 
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The water/food and voter id arguments seem silly and basic common sense to me so I won’t even get into that. I find it strange these are the 2 issues brought up the most about the bill.

Its related to the prohibition of campaigning at polling sites. There were lots of groups, (I'm guessing based on where they occurred that it was both parties) that were using distribution of snacks and drinks/water to create a loophole. This law just defined that yes, food and water distribution can be considered campaigning.
 
Its related to the prohibition of campaigning at polling sites. There were lots of groups, (I'm guessing based on where they occurred that it was both parties) that were using distribution of snacks and drinks/water to create a loophole. This law just defined that yes, food and water distribution can be considered campaigning.

Exactly. To me that seems like common sense. You don’t want someone in a Trump/Biden shirt handing out freebies to people that could influence their vote. I’d assume other states have this same exact law. Seems like a very reasonable law to have in pace.
 
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Help me out @iceheart08 and team - do you agree with these Harlem residents that assuming black people don’t have IDs, can’t make it to the DMV and don’t know how to use the internet is racist?


The voting rules and laws are actually more restrictive in New York than Georgia even with these recent changes. Shocking to me that folks won't do some research before they compare.

Good to see all of these large companies ensuring we are on our way to a one party system though.
 
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Recapping from separate thread:
I contend there is absolutely nothing offensive in the GA Voting law, that the law is similar to what a couple regular folks with come up with to shore-up the integrity of the voting system. Moreover, MLB was dead wrong to inject itself in this issue by pulling the All-star game out of Atlanta over it.

Here is a excerpt from a NYTime op-ed on its problems with the law.

Here are the most significant changes to voting in the state, as written into the new law:
  • Voters will now have less time to request absentee ballots.
  • There are strict new ID requirements for absentee ballots.
  • It’s now illegal for election officials to mail out absentee ballot applications to all voters.
  • Drop boxes still exist … but barely.
  • Mobile voting centers (think an R.V. where you can vote) are essentially banned.
  • Early voting is expanded in a lot of small counties, but probably not in more populous ones.
  • Offering food or water to voters waiting in line now risks misdemeanor charges.
  • If you go to the wrong polling place, it will be (even) harder to vote.
  • If election problems arise, a common occurrence, it is now more difficult to extend voting hours.
  • With a mix of changes to vote-counting, high-turnout elections will probably mean a long wait for results.
  • Election officials can no longer accept third-party funding (a measure that nods to right-wing conspiracy theories).
  • With an eye toward voter fraud, the state attorney general will manage an election hotline.
  • The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board.
  • The secretary of state is removed as a voting member of the State Election Board.
  • The G.O.P.-led legislature is empowered to suspend county election officials.
  • Runoff elections will happen faster — and could become harder to man
Perhaps I should lay out my bias first. I am a 45. I have been voting in major election since my early twenties. I don't believe I have ever cast a ballet for a Democrat at any level, though I have come close to voting for Joe Lieberman when I briefly lived in CT, and probably would have had I remained a resident when he was one the ballet.

That being said, I consider myself a man without a party. I really don't like ether party and have contempt for the leaders of both. I am mostly conservatives--but that is only insofar has how I run my household and raise my children. When it comes to electing leaders, I want libertarians over conservatives; but in absence of a liberation, I'll settle for a conservative.

Alright, enough of the preample. Let's get into the substance of the GA voting law and, perhaps more pointedly, whether MLB was right to pull the All-star game out of GA
 
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@okclem
Recapping from separate thread:
I contend there is absolutely nothing offensive in the GA Voting law, that the law is similar to what a couple regular folks with come up with to shore-up the integrity of the voting system. Moreover, MLB was dead wrong to inject itself in this issue by pulling the All-star game out of Atlanta over it.

Here is a excerpt from the a NYTime op-ed on its problems with the law.


Perhaps I should lay out my bias first. I am a 45. I have been voting in major election since my early twenties. I don't believe I have ever cast a ballet for a Democrat at any level, though I come have to voting for Joe Lieberman when I briefly lived in CT, and probably would have had I remained a resident when he was one the ballet.

That being said, I consider myself a man without a party. I really don't like ether party and have contempt for the leaders of both. I am consider myself a conservatives--but that is only insofar has who I run my household and raise my children. When it comes to electing leaders, I want libertarians over conservatives; but in absence of a liberation, I'll settle for a conservative.

Alright, enough of the preample. Let's get into the substance of the GA voting law and, perhaps for pointedly, whether MLB was right to pull out of the All-star game.
I guess it should also go without saying the I think the NYTimes article is total garbage and does not raise one single legitimate concern.
 
Help me out @iceheart08 and team - do you agree with these Harlem residents that assuming black people don’t have IDs, can’t make it to the DMV and don’t know how to use the internet is racist?

a handful of cherry-picked interviews on the street convinces you? that's GWP level journalism. the problem isn't that they can't google the location of the DMV or have enough phone data (dont know why that's relevant).

i expected better from you.
 
@okclem
Recapping from separate thread:
I contend there is absolutely nothing offensive in the GA Voting law, that the law is similar to what a couple regular folks with come up with to shore-up the integrity of the voting system. Moreover, MLB was dead wrong to inject itself in this issue by pulling the All-star game out of Atlanta over it.

Here is a excerpt from a NYTime op-ed on its problems with the law.


Perhaps I should lay out my bias first. I am a 45. I have been voting in major election since my early twenties. I don't believe I have ever cast a ballet for a Democrat at any level, though I come have to voting for Joe Lieberman when I briefly lived in CT, and probably would have had I remained a resident when he was one the ballet.

That being said, I consider myself a man without a party. I really don't like ether party and have contempt for the leaders of both. I am consider myself a conservatives--but that is only insofar has who I run my household and raise my children. When it comes to electing leaders, I want libertarians over conservatives; but in absence of a liberation, I'll settle for a conservative.

Alright, enough of the preample. Let's get into the substance of the GA voting law and, perhaps for pointedly, whether MLB was right to pull out of the All-star game.
Appreciate you being respectful about it, but I decided to quit discussing politics on this board and I'm going to stick to that.
 
Appreciate you being respectful about it, but I decided to quit discussing politics on this board and I'm going to stick to that.

How much happier is your TI experience now? I may have to join you. It really is a pointless time suck. People are going to believe what they want to believe, no matter what.
 
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How much happier is your TI experience now? I may have to join you. It really is a pointless time suck. People are going to believe what they want to believe, no matter what.
Infinitely happier. I also deactivated any social media accounts I had. I'm done trying to change anyone's mind, and I'm definitely done trying to reason with people who still love Donald Trump.
 
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