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Gregg Popovich - “We live in a racist country.”

THIS......Blacks are equally racist as whites

Again, this isn't really what people like Popovich are talking about. They mean that black people are, in general, in worse shape than white people because of something like "systemic racism." Maybe part of that is people being mean to somebody because of their skin color, but the claim he's making doesn't depend on a ledger of who's being mean and who's not.
 
Picture a black person standing up in front of a room full of white people and saying “I’m proud to be black
.” What kind of reaction would they get ?

Now picture a white person standing up in a room full of black people and saying “I’m proud to be white.” What kind of reaction would they get ?
 
Picture a black person standing up in front of a room full of white people and saying “I’m proud to be black
.” What kind of reaction would they get ?

Applause

Now picture a white person standing up in a room full of black people and saying “I’m proud to be white.” What kind of reaction would they get ?

Beat down
 
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lol I appreciate his service like I do all veterans and current military members but that doesn't make you more or less of a douche.. lol
Oh I don’t disagree with you here, but oh man are there a large majority on this board who don’t think people in uniform can be judged negatively.
 
The biggest problem with racism in this country is how bent out of shape people get about anyone talking about it.

Here's my unsolicited take on race after admittedly not watching the video...

Being white when you a born does often give you a leg up because more often than some other races, mommy and daddy are both there. So, you have a better shot (statistically speaking) to succeed in life. This doesn't cover everybody obviously. We are talking stats and odds here.

But guess what? Hard workers beat the odds all the time. And lazy people with great odds blow it all the time.

Success, in general, comes down to hard work and attitude. Race means a lot less than some want to say. I don't understand how it's that hard to see any of the above.

As for the racist feelings people have? There's plenty of hate to go around on all sides imho. But I think the factions of true racists, that literally hate other races, has decreased substantially on all sides. But like with everything else in this country, the loud minority gets more attention than the silent majority. Then people start arguing over things that they really don't even disagree about.

Flame away...
 
Sure, but to say it's a "racist country" implies that it's the prevalent attitude, that it's institutionalized, or that it's something that's accepted by a bunch of people not called Greg Popovich. I think institutionalized racism is a thing of the past, that personal racism is at an all time low and is dropping with every year, and that the residue of past racist power isn't the only thing that's leading to unequal outcomes for black people. When Popovich says things like this, he sounds like a racial determinist, and I don't think racial determinism is particularly good for anybody.

I'm also generally skeptical when people talk about "systemic racism." Although I think it's obviously true that black families are still at a disadvantage in terms of social capital and accumulated wealth because they (not necessarily a particular individual, but maybe their parents or grandparents) may have been excluded from certain positions or jobs 40 years ago (and beyond), people who claim to see "systemic racism" usually go a long way beyond that claim. Many say that racism structures our entire society, and claim to divine racist motivations behind everything. They're the ones who might claim that microaggressions (which only they can define) threaten black mental health, and are an important explanation for black underachievement. But, of course, if you criticize that theory, then according to them it just means you're not "woke" enough to see what they see. It starts to sound a little like the worst kind of religious dogma.

this is baffling.

-redlining, white flight, and gerrymandering are still prevalent.
-donald trump was elected president.
-a school system in alabama near me yesterday had to be struck down by a federal appeals court because they were in essence trying to segregate their schools.

i could go on and on. is racism as bad as it was in the 60s, 70s or even 90s? no, probably not. at least not on an individual level. but to say that institutional racism is a thing of the past is factually ridiculous.
 
Oh I don’t disagree with you here, but oh man are there a large majority on this board who don’t think people in uniform can be judged negatively.


true and I do have respect for the service anyone in uniform provides but no matter what profession or branch you serve in there are douche's everywhere.. douche cops, douche preachers, douche generals.. people serve but that doesn't mean that are abstained from being assholes..lol I know me and you are on the same page though and your'e right tons of people do act like they believe that
 
this is baffling.

-redlining, white flight, and gerrymandering are still prevalent.
-donald trump was elected president.
-a school system in alabama near me yesterday had to be struck down by a federal appeals court because they were in essence trying to segregate their schools.

i could go on and on. is racism as bad as it was in the 60s, 70s or even 90s? no, probably not. at least not on an individual level. but to say that institutional racism is a thing of the past is factually ridiculous.
No more ridiculous than you saying "probably not". My gosh.
 
And the Dutch of course;)


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this is baffling.

-redlining, white flight, and gerrymandering are still prevalent.
-donald trump was elected president.
-a school system in alabama near me yesterday had to be struck down by a federal appeals court because they were in essence trying to segregate their schools.

i could go on and on. is racism as bad as it was in the 60s, 70s or even 90s? no, probably not. at least not on an individual level. but to say that institutional racism is a thing of the past is factually ridiculous.

It’s happening in North Carolina too. Not just Alabama.

How people still don’t think government disenfranchisement still doesn’t affect people to this day is laughable. And that’s just the government. Let’s not disregard all the studies of employment and who gets job interviews more based off of resumes and so in and so forth.
 
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not exactly sure where your'e going with this one. I don't think the people who voted for Trump did so because they think/hope he is racist. I think most, including myself, voted for him because the bullshit claims by people of him being a racist were simply bullshit.

People don't get that everyone that voted for Trump didn't necessarily like him, or love everything about him.

Many just disliked him a little bit less than they did the other candidate, so they just held their nose and pulled the damn lever.
 
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not exactly sure where your'e going with this one. I don't think the people who voted for Trump did so because they think/hope he is racist. I think most, including myself, voted for him because the bullshit claims by people of him being a racist were simply bullshit.

the overwhelming number of instances of him saying or doing something racist would suggest otherwise. but even if you want to deny his clear racism, you still voted for an idiot conman to be president. so good job i guess?
 
this is baffling.

-redlining, white flight, and gerrymandering are still prevalent.
-donald trump was elected president.
-a school system in alabama near me yesterday had to be struck down by a federal appeals court because they were in essence trying to segregate their schools.

i could go on and on. is racism as bad as it was in the 60s, 70s or even 90s? no, probably not. at least not on an individual level. but to say that institutional racism is a thing of the past is factually ridiculous.

These are all examples of things that many people would plausibly say aren’t racist. In fact, that people would argue so vehemently against the idea that these things are racist is some evidence of the fact that institutional racism is behind us.
 
Sure, but to say it's a "racist country" implies that it's the prevalent attitude, that it's institutionalized, or that it's something that's accepted by a bunch of people not called Greg Popovich. I think institutionalized racism is a thing of the past, that personal racism is at an all time low and is dropping with every year, and that the residue of past racist power isn't the only thing that's leading to unequal outcomes for black people. When Popovich says things like this, he sounds like a racial determinist, and I don't think racial determinism is particularly good for anybody.

I'm also generally skeptical when people talk about "systemic racism." Although I think it's obviously true that black families are still at a disadvantage in terms of social capital and accumulated wealth because they (not necessarily a particular individual, but maybe their parents or grandparents) may have been excluded from certain positions or jobs 40 years ago (and beyond), people who claim to see "systemic racism" usually go a long way beyond that claim. Many say that racism structures our entire society, and claim to divine racist motivations behind everything. They're the ones who might claim that microaggressions (which only they can define) threaten black mental health, and are an important explanation for black underachievement. But, of course, if you criticize that theory, then according to them it just means you're not "woke" enough to see what they see. It starts to sound a little like the worst kind of religious dogma.
Good post. I think the argument around systemic racism would involve our criminal justice system that has created many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. I’m conflicted on the sentences for selling crack vs cocaine and how that has created so many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. As well as the awful public schools in those neighborhoods. I can see both sides of the argument, so it’s one I struggle to feel conviction with.
 
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what's your early pool of candidates to run against Trump in 2020?

not really thrilled by anyone at the moment.

corey booker is in deep with big pharma and wall street. he sucks.

the kennedy jabroni is, well, a kennedy. so no on that one too.

bidder's too old and of a bygone era.

warren has pretty good policies but i'm not really sure her viability. probs considered too divisive.

and so help me god if we actually follow suit by running a celebrity too.

despite my deep hatred of the republican party and donald trump in particular, i really don't like dem politicians all that much either. i find hero worship of politicians to be really silly in general, and i roll my eyes all the time at my super liberal friends when they talk glowingly about obama. he was fine. but he was underwhelming in a lot of ways.
 
Good post. I think the argument around systemic racism would involve our criminal justice system that has created many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. I’m conflicted on the sentences for selling crack vs cocaine and how that has created so many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. As well as the awful public schools in those neighborhoods. I can see both sides of the argument, so it’s one I struggle to feel conviction with.
on one ha
not really thrilled by anyone at the moment.

corey booker is in deep with big pharma and wall street. he sucks.

the kennedy jabroni is, well, a kennedy. so no on that one too.

bidder's too old and of a bygone era.

warren has pretty good policies but i'm not really sure her viability. probs considered too divisive.

despite my deep hatred of the republican party and donald trump in particular, i really don't like dem politicians all that much either. i find hero worship of politicians to be really silly in general, and i roll my eyes all the time at my super liberal friends when they talk glowingly about obama. he was fine. but he was underwhelming in a lot of ways.
thats interesting..i never would have guessed that about you
 
on one ha

thats interesting..i never would have guessed that about you

i strongly disliked hillary. she's a terrible "liberal." that's why i found it particularly funny the way republicans tried to frame her as this crazy leftist. she's an opportunist who changes her policies and viewpoints based on whatever direction the party moves. she was basically a neocon in the way she operated in bill's white house in the 90s and pushed some policies that were shockingly detrimental to the african american community.

all that said, nobody, and i mean nobody, is a worse presidential candidate than donald trump. and he will likely go down as the worst president in the modern era, depending on how much "policy" he can actually get through. his election is quite literally the dumbest thing to happen in my lifetime.
 
We live in an unequal world... we are born different, experience life differently, we have inherent advantages and disadvantages. To put it simply we are not equals because we are unique.

I abhor the statements that white have advantages because there is no universal. Ever heard the term trailer trash?

The fact is that the affluent and two parent families have advantages, just as those from educated families. That has always been the case. The sad part is we don't get to pick that at birth, just like we do not get to pick our race.

The real question is what will you do with your path and as a society how do we eliminate those differences that have been allowed to be built into our systems, especially the education and justice systems.
 
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These are all examples of things that many people would plausibly say aren’t racist. In fact, that people would argue so vehemently against the idea that these things are racist is some evidence of the fact that institutional racism is behind us.

i realized after venice's post that mine didn't even contain probably the greatest instance of institutional racism: the mass and disproportionate incarceration of african americans.

how you could argue that there is no institutional racism left in the face of this country's criminal justice system boggles the mind.
 
Good post. I think the argument around systemic racism would involve our criminal justice system that has created many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. I’m conflicted on the sentences for selling crack vs cocaine and how that has created so many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. As well as the awful public schools in those neighborhoods. I can see both sides of the argument, so it’s one I struggle to feel conviction with.

One thing that's rarely noted is that many black leaders supported the stronger penalties because the crime that crack brought along with it was mainly affecting their communities. Those laws were intended to protect black communities from crime, and crime did fall quite a bit after their passage. But they also resulted in "mass incarceration" of mostly black men.

As far as schools go, I'd guess those are largely a result of the socio-economic status of many majority black neighborhoods. And, of course, a lot of that has to do with the residue of historical racism.
 
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People are eating Tide pods and a president being elected in a 2 party system is the dumbest thing you've seen in your lifetime?

yes, a man who literally is good at nothing except marketing himself being elected president is far far dumber than some idiots on the internet eating tide pods.
 
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Good post. I think the argument around systemic racism would involve our criminal justice system that has created many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. I’m conflicted on the sentences for selling crack vs cocaine and how that has created so many single parent homes in black neighborhoods. As well as the awful public schools in those neighborhoods. I can see both sides of the argument, so it’s one I struggle to feel conviction with.
Do you have a link on the numbers? Very curious. What actual % of single parent households are caused among the black community due to possession or distribution of crack? Does it make up a majority of single parent households? 10%, 25%, 80%?
 
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Pop has turned into a moron. He thinks he’s adored but you take away Duncan and Robinson, he hasn’t won a thing. Look at the way he does press conferences or handles the media. They give him a pass but personally I could care less. I just cringe that he’s leading the USA Men’s team. At least Coach K represented the USA with class Pop I’m not so sure
 
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Did he say things were terrible?

He said we live in a racist country....I consider racism to be a terrible thing. Don't think it's too much of a reach to assume he isn't in love with the state of our country.
 
not really thrilled by anyone at the moment.

corey booker is in deep with big pharma and wall street. he sucks.

the kennedy jabroni is, well, a kennedy. so no on that one too.

bidder's too old and of a bygone era.

warren has pretty good policies but i'm not really sure her viability. probs considered too divisive.

and so help me god if we actually follow suit by running a celebrity too.

despite my deep hatred of the republican party and donald trump in particular, i really don't like dem politicians all that much either. i find hero worship of politicians to be really silly in general, and i roll my eyes all the time at my super liberal friends when they talk glowingly about obama. he was fine. but he was underwhelming in a lot of ways.
Elizabeth Warren? Wow.
 
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