Great news, hopefully moves this conflict closer to being ended (for as long as it will be before it happens again).
Hamas leader killed by Israel
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I tend to agree with Israel on this one. They've done this a few times over the last 50+ years, and have ALWAYS backed off when they had whomever attacked them on the run. Then the enemy regroups over the next decade or so and you are back to a rinse and repeat kind of thing. I don't think they are going to do that this time.
I've NO SYMPOTHY for Hamas. Freaking kill all of them you can. I DO have sympathy for the Civilians in the areas that Hamas controls. What's happening to them is terrible.
I suspect that when Israel responds to Iran (and they will). Iran is going to have a really time. I know this makes me a bit of a monster, but it should be apparent to anyone with a history book that Iran is going to keep attacking Israel until either Iran or Israel is destroyed. Israel has always shown a great deal of restraint in attacking Iran... only going after specific targets military, nuclear, or petroleum based.
If I were running things in Israel, I suspect I'd be lobbying for unrestricted war vs Iran. While I wouldn't use nukes, I'd turn every major city in Iran to rubble and bomb them back to the stone age.
I've NO SYMPOTHY for Hamas. Freaking kill all of them you can. I DO have sympathy for the Civilians in the areas that Hamas controls. What's happening to them is terrible.
I suspect that when Israel responds to Iran (and they will). Iran is going to have a really time. I know this makes me a bit of a monster, but it should be apparent to anyone with a history book that Iran is going to keep attacking Israel until either Iran or Israel is destroyed. Israel has always shown a great deal of restraint in attacking Iran... only going after specific targets military, nuclear, or petroleum based.
If I were running things in Israel, I suspect I'd be lobbying for unrestricted war vs Iran. While I wouldn't use nukes, I'd turn every major city in Iran to rubble and bomb them back to the stone age.
I don't think you're a monster. I don't think the Isralies are either. A proportional Oct 7th from a population perspect in the US woudl be almost 40K dead and almost 4,000 taken hostage. Then think about if we then had our cities targeted by missiles launched from another country. This is Israel's shot and they need to take it. They have a 50-50 shot of getting a US POTUS who they can't bank on being supportive at all.
Yes Biden and Harris have been completely unsupportive of Israel.
That is why the leftist, Muslim, anti-Israel voting block of the Democratic Party is saying they won't vote for Kamala.
Bc she has been so unsupportive of Israel.
You nailed it buddy.
Thanks man. I totally get what the other side of this debate is saying though.
Both sides of this fight are covered in blood. There are no good guys here. Israel has as much blood on it's hands as anyone. I've always thought about the Palistinans like this:
Consider if you lived in SC or NC and the US wasn't a world power, just a regular, pretty weak country. And some powerful countries like China or Russia dropped by and said... Hey, the American Indians really got a bad deal a couple of hundred years ago. We are going to give them SC and NC as their homeland. All you folks have to leave. Here's a few thousand dollars, now get out. That's what happened to these folks.
Would you just leave and start a new life? Or would you fight to get your home back? It's pretty hard to argue that the American Indians didn't get shafted back in the day, but at the same time, YOU didn't have anything to do with that. So I've some sympathy there and I get why some folks don't support Israel.
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Trump has proven to be supportive of Israel. That's the 50% they can bank on. Who really knows what a Harris admin will do.
100% "Israel" isn't completely clean. Nobody anywhere is completely clean if your frame of reference goes back to the beginning of time. People fighting other people for land, and stuff has been happening forever.
I dunno man. I thought Trump had proven to be not supportive of Tik Tok either. Calling for it to be banned in the US. Then a billionaire dropped some cash on Trump's campaign and all of a sudden Trump is all about Tik Tok. Ditto on electric cars once Musk dropped some cash on him. If the wind lobby dropped enough cash on him, I'm sure wind mills would no longer cause cancer or kill birds and whales.
If the Saudis dropped a few Billion on some Trump Towers, I can totally see him putting a halt to Israel's aid from the US. That's just who Trump is.
But tik tok related rhetoric is a different than totally doing a 180 on supporting Israel. I can't see it
With Trump? I can see anything with Trump. He has literally zero personal convictions, his only conviction is making himself money.
He is completely morally bankrupt.
Really? Because I thought Tik Tok was a Chinese owned social media app. Trump said he was going to ban it by executive order b/c it was a security threat to the US (I'm not saying he was wrong or right to do so), just that he said that. THEN one guy who owns a big piece of Tik Tok, donates big bucks to his campaign and Trump's all about it now. Apparently a security risk to the country he's trying to be the Commander in Chief of isn't a big deal.
Same deal with Electric cars... Musk donated and Trump said he guessed he had to like them now... the only difference is the cash he got paid.
You SURE that if Trump got paid, he wouldn't do a 180? I'm certainly not. I think Trump would do and say anything if the price is right.
oh got it. So anything you don't like about the Biden admin was all Harris' doing. But his unwavering support of Israel has nothing to do with her.
But her husband is Jewish. It seems Netanyahu is doing whatever he pleases no matter what the U.S.says or does.
Kamala has openly stated that she's supportive of Israel and it may cost her Michigan as a result because the Arab community seems resistant to vote for her. That is until now, Trump may just have blown it with this comment haha.
He’s right.. no one can count on Harris/Biden, especially Israel. The entire world knows this.
You’re the only one in denial.
US spends a record $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since last Oct. 7
The United States has spent a record of at least $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since the war in Gaza began and led to escalating conflict around the Middle East.
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Both the Jews and Palestinians are communities of suffering, and it shows.
If you look at where the families of most of these Hamas and PIJ leaders are from, they’re places now in Israel. To them, they got driven from their homes, and they’re going to try their best to kill those responsible. I don’t agree with it. I don’t excuse it. At some point you have to recognize that when you act violently, the other side acts violently, and it never ends. Both Hamas and the equivalent in Israel, which runs the gov now (look up the shit Netanyahu’s ministers have said), see the other nation of people, not just fighters, as collectively responsible. As a result, you get atrocities like we’re seeing. Neither side really sees the other’s civilians as “civilians.” Everyone is a target if it comes down to it. If you told Ben Gurion, Dayan, Begin, Sharon, etc that killing 800 Arabs was necessary to create Israel, they’d do it without much hesitation. To some extent that isn’t even a hypothetical. But I wasn’t a Jew in the 40s or a Palestinian in 48, so I will never understand their suffering. It’s a tragedy. Nothing more or less.
That having been said, I think that the right position to have is that nothing justified what happened on October 7th, and what happened on October 7th doesn’t justify everything. If you believe that Israel has a right to do whatever in Gaza because of the people, civilians and soldiers, killed, raped, kidnapped, etc on October 7th, you may as well believe that October 7th was justified by the number of Palestinian civilians killed in Gaza over the past 20 years, which dwarfs any loss of civilian life in Israel.
$17.9 billion dollars that didn’t go to the American people but instead went to a country with universal healthcare fighting Muslim jihadists with F35 fighter jets.
US spends a record $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since last Oct. 7
The United States has spent a record of at least $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since the war in Gaza began and led to escalating conflict around the Middle East.
We truly are idiots.
The United States armed Saddam prior to him launching a war against Iran that killed several hundred thousand Iranian soldiers and civilians. And Saddam used chemical weapons. They signed the nuke deal, and we exited it unilaterally. What would you do in their shoes? Restraint is an interesting way to put the West’s view towards Iran.
As far as Israel itself, Sadat reached out to Israel in a substantial way before the Yom Kippur War for peace. Meir wasn’t a fan, and war happened. Israel now has a good neighbor in Jordan and a ok neighbor in Egypt because restraint was considered. The conflict with Iran is reciprocal. Neither Israel nor Iran can be blamed IMO.
You can’t say you don’t like when civilians die and then turn around and say, well I’d bomb Iran to the Stone Age.
The US getting involved with a war against Iran would be so ****ing dumb it’s unbelievable. What would winning even look like? Congrats, Khamenei is gone. Now you have tens of millions of pissed off Shiites who will still be there or taking over Iraq. Let’s say there are elections in Iran and a new government. That doesn’t mean the new government will let Israel walk all over them. They could be more secular and still not like Israel or the West, and we’re back to square one.
Israel winning the Six-Day War and taking the West Bank without any plan for managing the millions of Palestinians there is half the reason they’re in the mess they’re in. And going into Lebanon in the 80s and 90s.
Long story short: NO MORE AMERICAN INTERVENTION IN OR FUNDING OF OTHER COUNTRIES’ WARS, ESPECIALLY IF IT WILL MAKE GAS 5+ DOLLARS A GALLON
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I see, long term, US backing away from the global agreements post ww2. Now I don't know if thats going to be a good thing, or a bad thing in the end. But I definitely see it happening. We are going to pull back our protection of trade routes in the inidian ocean. All in the name of efforts back at home. This will be because China and Russia are going to collapse.... So we will have to focus on building things here at home and Mexico.
Israel and Japan though, I think we probably will still strongly align with so we can still strong arm the Pacific and Middle east when we want to. The question is, what price will we have to pay for their cooperation?
What dripple..do you actually read what you post?
Thats' why Trump left his life of actually making money to come to fix our country for basically no personal monetary gain.
Yeah. That's completely bullshit. He did it for ego and to fleece morons. He has never done a thing that didn't enrich himself at the expense of others.
Every president has an ego to one extent or another. Trumps may be on the high side, I'll give you that. I like that, when it comes to dealing with the world leaders we have to face off with, not some cackling bafoon who has no clue about foreign policy!
But we could go back and forth on that all day and you would not see it my way, that's ok.
Trump fleeces morons, please tell me more.
You really honestly think he only "may be on the high side" of ego?
You are welcome to your opinion on the next sentence. I have no issues with someone thinking he'd do a better job or not like Dems/Harris. I'd likely agree on some, disagree on others. But you really truly don't think he has a crazy high ego?
High/crazy high
either or, yes it's really high, but it's no reason to hate the good policies and past performance.
And the "hate" will not carry this election!
Just say that I guess. I'm fine with people voting on policies, but there is no "may" about his ego being high.
What good policies and past performance? Lol. You don't sound as dumb as the stupid stuff you post most of the time. But damn, you must believe in Santa Claus and Easter Bunny.
I have posted this time and again. Trump was not allowed to do his job because of all the fake investigations from the left and still had time to get many things done.
For lack of retyping everything Trump Administration Accomplishments
Why did you ignore his long list of shitty qualities? Like being a vapid, ignorant pathological liar
It would've been. You realize that when you downplay something that obvious, the rest of your post is never going to be taken seriously? Maybe you're just here to troll and poke at the other side, which is fine. You do you.
"is"
that better?
But if I say the border right now may be a weakness for Kamala, it kind of makes me seem like a sycophantic idiot right? Like it absolutely is a weakness. There is no may about it. I can still feel like her, her overall policies, and general not being Trumpness is plenty for me to vote for her, or I can say something about Trump killing a bill that would've helped, etc, but saying may makes anything I say after it not worthy of reading because its clear I can't be honest about the candidates.
Calling the Biden/harris administration anti-Israel is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Absolute brainrot opinions.
I assure you nothing about politics makes me happy ha
Now you can get back to your regularly scheduled sh!t posting
Go Tigers
Well, you didn't in this case, you softened it for your candidate, but we can agree on the Go Tigers so you're all right in my book.
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