Herbstreit View

[SomethingInTheseHills]

I watched the video and didn’t hear Kirk say anything about being “persecuted” for being a Christian, @firegiver and @Silverstreak02.

What I heard him say is that a double standard exists at ESPN whereby an employee like him that holds traditional or Christian values is not allowed to share his views on matters deemed to be political. Meanwhile, employees get away with making political statements that match those of their more liberal bosses. There is plenty of evidence this double standard exists.

Anyone that likens this to true persecution is exaggerating and ought to be called out for that, but that doesn’t mean the double standard doesn’t exist. It’s a form of discrimination that doesn’t rise to the level of persecution that nonetheless has no place in our society, in my opinion, and therefore deserves to be called out.

 

[firegiver]

I watched the video and didn’t hear Kirk say anything about being “persecuted” for being a Christian, @firegiver and @Silverstreak02.

What I heard him say is that a double standard exists at ESPN whereby an employee like him that holds traditional or Christian values is not allowed to share his views on matters deemed to be political. Meanwhile, employees get away with making political statements that match those of their more liberal bosses. There is plenty of evidence this double standard exists.

Anyone that likens this to true persecution is exaggerating and ought to be called out for that, but that doesn’t mean the double standard doesn’t exist. It’s a form of discrimination that doesn’t rise to the level of persecution that nonetheless has no place in our society, in my opinion, and therefore deserves to be called out.

Sure, and my bosses pray at every meal and preach christianity all the time. I dare not ever share my views at work, because there will be consequences. I agree there are double standards, I was just saying, in one sentence of my post, that christians should probably not harp on being oppressed or persecuted in this country, considering they are the majority. Thats all.

If I went on to a pod cast and shared my political and religious views, I would be fired. Facts.

 

[tgrharley]

Kirk Herbstreit is so oppressed lol clearly his faith is holding him back

I don’t pretend to know the science of whether trans athletes have an advantage. On the surface, the thought of a biological male competing against females is absurd. Shouldn’t be allowed.

But please, let’s check the “oh no I’m a Christian and we are persecuted for everything” fallacy at the door.

Just can't help it can you?

 

[JinxyPat]

Kirk Herbstreit is so oppressed lol clearly his faith is holding him back

I don’t pretend to know the science of whether trans athletes have an advantage. On the surface, the thought of a biological male competing against females is absurd. Shouldn’t be allowed.

But please, let’s check the “oh no I’m a Christian and we are persecuted for everything” fallacy at the door.

 

[tgrharley]

I know Kirk gets plenty of hate but I’m glad he and others are finally expressing their opinion on this.

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In for silverstreak, dpic, okclem, kgwilson, fire giver, yoshi. And other resident libTARDS to enlighten us. I'm sure I left someone out

 

[Silverstreak02]

In for silverstreak, dpic, okclem, kgwilson, fire giver, yoshi. And other resident libTARDS to enlighten us. I'm sure I left someone out

I’m glad Kirk feels compelled to share his journey of oppression. The world needs more wealthy people telling us that they are the real victims being silenced. Nevermind that he’s the face of the biggest sports network in the world’s college football coverage that’s small potatoes

 

[douggainey]

I know Kirk gets plenty of hate but I’m glad he and others are finally expressing their opinion on this.

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Always liked that guy

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Good for him. The reason this craziness was able to take over is that too many people like Kirk were either afraid to say anything or they thought it wouldn’t affect them so they could keep their heads down. Meanwhile, activists were busy imposing their views on everyone and insisting it was dangerous to allow anyone to publicly disagree.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I’m glad Kirk feels compelled to share his journey of oppression. The world needs more wealthy people telling us that they are the real victims being silenced. Nevermind that he’s the face of the biggest sports network in the world’s college football coverage that’s small potatoes

I agree he and others like him have lacked courage. However, to pretend that there hasn’t been strong pressure on people with platforms to either stay silent or to parrot woke views is to ignore an awful lot that’s happened over the last 10 years or so.

Your attempt to change the subject also works against people in the same positions who’ve been sharing woke social views all the time, despite having privileged platforms that have little to do with those views. If that’s where you were going (even though you’re pretending that whatever is done to somebody you can define as privileged can’t be bad), then I agree that we could use less of all of those people’s unrelated social views.

 

[BHSRebels89]

ITheres been 1, 1 example where a biological male competed in women's swimming. I don't really feel like they should be competing in women's sports. But I'm also, not really that interested in the subject at all. However, lots of politicians sure are, and the media keeps talking about it, so everyone feels like they MUST make an opinion on the subject.
It's one of those subjects where I feel people use it to then try to vilify each other

There’s actually lots of examples beyond the one swimmer we all heard about because it was at a higher level of competition. The Olympic boxing was ridiculous as well. High school girls have been injured by biological males. It seems like common sense but it keeps happening, hence why people feel the need to speak out against it. Feminists should be leading the charge but I haven’t heard them. Riley Gaines probably practiced year round for over 15 years for her shot at an NCAA title only to have to stolen from her by a man who was below average against men competition. The minority is running things and it’s time people speak up, especially if they have a platform like Kirk

 

[Silverstreak02]

There’s actually lots of examples beyond the one swimmer we all heard about because it was at a higher level of competition. The Olympic boxing was ridiculous as well. High school girls have been injured by biological males. It seems like common sense but it keeps happening, hence why people feel the need to speak out against it. Feminists should be leading the charge but I haven’t heard them. Riley Gaines probably practiced year round for over 15 years for her shot at an NCAA title only to have to stolen from her by a man who was below average against men competition. The minority is running things and it’s time people speak up, especially if they have a platform like Kirk

Wait, what was ridiculous about a biological female winning the gold medal in boxing?

Y’all really think **Nigeria** sent a trans athlete to the Olympics?

 

[GamecockTears]

He’ll be next. Disney won’t stand for that.

Herbie will be fine. He’s the biggest ESPN employee outside of Stephen A.

 

[cjtiger300]

well with all the new pronouns it throws a lot of curve balls and when you have people encouraging this it is going to get harder and harder to identify what is what. It should be really simple

Regardless of your political stance, imagine coming home and telling your dad growing up that you were a them, they, he, she, that wanted to be called a hers

New pronouns? WTF are you even talking about

 

[cjtiger300]

it's not about hurt feelings - it's about simple facts like knowing what a woman is, knowing men can't get pregnant and knowing men should not compete with women in sports. and to my freedom - f off, you are a bigot.

You're literally the most Charmin soft person on here. You're always so outraged

 

[GamecockTears]

I mean its nuanced. It's also such a huge edge case to even talk about. What do I mean by that? Theres been 1, 1 example where a biological male competed in women's swimming. I don't really feel like they should be competing in women's sports. But I'm also, not really that interested in the subject at all. However, lots of politicians sure are, and the media keeps talking about it, so everyone feels like they MUST make an opinion on the subject.
It's one of those subjects where I feel people use it to then try to vilify each other.

Also, can christians please stop playing the 'oh we are so oppressed' narrative. It's just so crybaby considering their majority voting block. What they mean is that when they say things online, some people disagree with them, and that hurts their feelings.

It’s the old boiling a frog analogy. You put the frog in a pot of water then turn on the burner. The frog is boiled to death before it knows it. That applies with this crazy scenario. You have to stop it or it will continue to creep into our society and before you know it, it’s ramped.

 

[santee]

I'm a Christian and we're "persecuted" for some things... stepping through the door and walking to the middle of the room.

Kirk is right that a lot people who are either Christian, culturally Christian, or just traditional in mindset have been censored and shut down because some of those views are antithetical to the prevailing culture in the US. Especially, in our traditional media and much of social media so that many people self-censor, even though they disagree. Transgender males in female sports is a perfect example.

Abortion is a biggie as well

 

[Rowdon7]

I watched the video and didn’t hear Kirk say anything about being “persecuted” for being a Christian, @firegiver and @Silverstreak02.

What I heard him say is that a double standard exists at ESPN whereby an employee like him that holds traditional or Christian values is not allowed to share his views on matters deemed to be political. Meanwhile, employees get away with making political statements that match those of their more liberal bosses. There is plenty of evidence this double standard exists.

Anyone that likens this to true persecution is exaggerating and ought to be called out for that, but that doesn’t mean the double standard doesn’t exist. It’s a form of discrimination that doesn’t rise to the level of persecution that nonetheless has no place in our society, in my opinion, and therefore deserves to be called out.

Well said. Clearly there is a double standard, which isn't unique to Christians as many of us hold a double standard against others for different things as well. Concerning persecution vs opposition. I can't say as I'm not there but certainly the persecution word gets thrown around when often it's opposition, which the US church could use some more of in my opinion. Come on over to North Africa and you can see and hear stories of true persecution.

 

[dbowers2008]

Well said. Clearly there is a double standard, which isn't unique to Christians as many of us hold a double standard against others for different things as well. Concerning persecution vs opposition. I can't say as I'm not there but certainly the persecution word gets thrown around when often it's opposition, which the US church could use some more of in my opinion. Come on over to North Africa and you can see and hear stories of true persecution.

Yes. I’ve heard many stories at my church about other countries where persecution is extreme.

 

[cjtiger300]

I watched the video and didn’t hear Kirk say anything about being “persecuted” for being a Christian, @firegiver and @Silverstreak02.

What I heard him say is that a double standard exists at ESPN whereby an employee like him that holds traditional or Christian values is not allowed to share his views on matters deemed to be political. Meanwhile, employees get away with making political statements that match those of their more liberal bosses. There is plenty of evidence this double standard exists.

Anyone that likens this to true persecution is exaggerating and ought to be called out for that, but that doesn’t mean the double standard doesn’t exist. It’s a form of discrimination that doesn’t rise to the level of persecution that nonetheless has no place in our society, in my opinion, and therefore deserves to be called out.

You heard what you wanted to because he never mentioned ESPN. I believe, since he never brought up ESPN, that he's talking about the public, or more precisely the public on social media have a double standard. Personally I think he's full of shit because it doesn't matter what your opinion or side is, someone is going to attack you.

The thing about many of these topics is they are wedge issues and they are at most 60/40 in percentage of what people support. It's a tail as old as time. Drive the wedge, divide, make it political. Watch the people, who have far more in common with each other than they don't, fight it out. A divided populace is easier to control and the people with power keep it. Politics 101.

 

[SomethingInTheseHills]

Sure, and my bosses pray at every meal and preach christianity all the time. I dare not ever share my views at work, because there will be consequences. I agree there are double standards, I was just saying, in one sentence of my post, that christians should probably not harp on being oppressed or persecuted in this country, considering they are the majority. Thats all.

If I went on to a pod cast and shared my political and religious views, I would be fired. Facts.

Fair response. I was merely pointing out that Kirk had not mentioned being oppressed or persecuted.

That’s unfortunate about your work situation. Out of curiosity, are there examples of your employer firing someone for sharing certain views that match your own? I wonder if this rises to the level of unlawful discrimination.

 

[Spencer_York]

The amount of biological men who transition to play women’s sports is so minuscule that it isn’t even worth taking seriously. So many of the “protect women’s sports” crowd hate women’s sports and take every opportunity they can to trash it, the athletes, and the coaches. This is a fake panic being whipped up to demonize trans people and force them back in the closet.

 

[dbowers2008]

You heard what you wanted to because he never mentioned ESPN. I believe, since he never brought up ESPN, that he's talking about the public, or more precisely the public on social media have a double standard. Personally I think he's full of shit because it doesn't matter what your opinion or side is, someone is going to attack you.

The thing about many of these topics is they are wedge issues and they are at most 60/40 in percentage of what people support. It's a tail as old as time. Drive the wedge, divide, make it political. Watch the people, who have far more in common with each other than they don't, fight it out. A divided populace is easier to control and the people with power keep it. Politics 101.

Seems to work.

 

[Esso13]

Nah, he is untouchable at the Four Letter Network.

Rumors are that he might be looking to leave after this year for maybe cbs because Danielson might be retiring or getting the boot after this season .

 

[Spencer_York]

Wait, what was ridiculous about a biological female winning the gold medal in boxing?

Y’all really think **Nigeria** sent a trans athlete to the Olympics?

No you see, Algeria is going to send a trans person to the Olympics even though it’s illegal to even be gay there

 

[cjtiger300]

There’s actually lots of examples beyond the one swimmer we all heard about because it was at a higher level of competition. The Olympic boxing was ridiculous as well. High school girls have been injured by biological males. It seems like common sense but it keeps happening, hence why people feel the need to speak out against it. Feminists should be leading the charge but I haven’t heard them. Riley Gaines probably practiced year round for over 15 years for her shot at an NCAA title only to have to stolen from her by a man who was below average against men competition. The minority is running things and it’s time people speak up, especially if they have a platform like Kirk

That was a women who was born with a vagina in the Olympics. All the media had to do was rile y'all up with misinformation and watch the clicks come.

 

[cjtiger300]

Seems to work.

It's the most powerful tool in the toolbox unfortunately.

 

[Howard's Jock]

That was a women who was born with a vagina in the Olympics. All the media had to do was rile y'all up with misinformation and watch the clicks come.

While i agree, I don’t think faux outrage is limited to one side or the other

 

[SomethingInTheseHills]

You heard what you wanted to because he never mentioned ESPN. I believe, since he never brought up ESPN, that he's talking about the public, or more precisely the public on social media have a double standard. Personally I think he's full of shit because it doesn't matter what your opinion or side is, someone is going to attack you.

The thing about many of these topics is they are wedge issues and they are at most 60/40 in percentage of what people support. It's a tail as old as time. Drive the wedge, divide, make it political. Watch the people, who have far more in common with each other than they don't, fight it out. A divided populace is easier to control and the people with power keep it. Politics 101.

You may very well be right. I concluded he was alluding to ESPN since he said the public response to his tweet was more positive than negative. If that was case then why reference a “different set of rules”?

At any rate, I think we can agree that people have far more in common than they do not. We have become far too tribal in our politics and I hate it.

 

[dbowers2008]

It's the most powerful tool in the toolbox unfortunately.

It’s why i try to follow the Bible. Sadly I get caught up in the he said she said more than I should. Have a good one brother!

 

[cjtiger300]

While i agree, I don’t think faux outrage is limited to one side or the other

Agreed. It's definitely both sides and I've been guilty of it as well. Sometimes it's best to take a step back and look at both sides of the issue to get perspective.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Wait, what was ridiculous about a biological female winning the gold medal in boxing?

Y’all really think **Nigeria** sent a trans athlete to the Olympics?

You should probably try to get at least one detail right when disputing this stuff.

 

[nmerritt11]

New pronouns? WTF are you even talking about

When you were growing up did you ever have a person refer to themselves as a pronoun and ask other people to? If so you grew up in a different era than I did

I cannot imagine someone being at recess and getting picked:

“I’ll take that guy!”

“Ummm please refer to me as my proper pronoun. I am he/she/they or I’m not playing”

This shit has gotten out of control

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

No you see, Algeria is going to send a trans person to the Olympics even though it’s illegal to even be gay there

Why Iran is a hub for sex-reassignment surgery

It is not because the regime is liberal

www.economist.com

 

[Chetsu]

Wait, what was ridiculous about a biological female winning the gold medal in boxing?

Y’all really think **Nigeria** sent a trans athlete to the Olympics?

I'm pretty sure he was from Algeria and was born with both sets of chromosomes. That's why international boxing wouldn't let him box because he tested for xy chromosomes and so had an unfair advantage. But the Olympics made a different ruling. Definitely a little different but I still would agree with the IBF ( I think it was ) ruling.

 

[Silverstreak02]

You should probably try to get at least one detail right when disputing this stuff.

You’re right. It was Algeria. Where being LGBT is punishable by death

 

[cjtiger300]

When you were growing up did you ever have a person refer to themselves as a pronoun and ask other people to? If so you grew up in a different era than I did

I cannot imagine someone being at recess and getting picked:

“I’ll take that guy!”

“Ummm please refer to me as my proper pronoun. I am he/she/they or I’m not playing”

This shit has gotten out of control

I'm sorry, I just don't see this being a big issue. Generally when someone makes a mistake with a pronoun the person lets you know and you move on. We are close to the same age. Either way the pronouns are not "new", just like adjectives are not new.

 

[GitOffMyLawn]

I don't think biological males should compete against biological females but the way this non-issue has been ginned up like some festering epidemic is another culture war joke. Guys like Kirk look for things to be outraged about so they can then whine and pretend they're the ones being attacked.

I mean statistically speaking...who is more dangerous to the well-being of women in this country? Trans athletes or garden variety red-blooded males? Estimates show that roughly 1 in 3 women will face some kind of physical/sexual violence in their lifetime. Would be great if people would go crazy about those stats instead of the 1 in 10 million or 1 in 100 million trans athletes out there somewhere in the world.

I remember when Nikki Haley made the asinine connection at one of the primary debates between trans athletes and teenage suicide rates, and someone pointed out that the high school league of SC reported something like 7 attempted trans athletes the last decade combined. Just more empty culture war BS used as red meat for their base who's constantly looking for outrage and victimhood.

Wake me up when people get outraged over the fact that 1 in 3 women will face some sort of physical/sexual violence.

How can the nuanced and educated Left not see these issues as symptoms of much bigger societal problems?

There is a vocal minority that believe trans men should be allowed to compete in women’s sports despite clear physical advantages to the trans athlete. It’s happening in high school sports across the country. What will be the next absurd agenda for these people? It doesn’t stop here.

 

[Silverstreak02]

I'm pretty sure he was from Algeria and was born with both sets of chromosomes. That's why international boxing wouldn't let him box because he tested for xy chromosomes and so had an unfair advantage. But the Olympics made a different ruling. Definitely a little different but I still would agree with the IBF ( I think it was ) ruling.

The Russian organization that started the misinformation claim is banned from the Olympics and has been discredited for its corruption. It doesn’t have any credibility in the sport. If they produced sole evidence I think it might have a leg to stand on, but so far it’s murky at best.

Which is a shame. I think just about everyone wants a level playing field in sports. Russia’s speciality is misinformation and making people question everything because it creates instability

 

[tgrharley]

I’m glad Kirk feels compelled to share his journey of oppression. The world needs more wealthy people telling us that they are the real victims being silenced. Nevermind that he’s the face of the biggest sports network in the world’s college football coverage that’s small potatoes

Have you paid an African American who never was a slave reparations yet? Just wondering. I am disappointed if not!

The amount of biological men who transition to play women’s sports is so minuscule that it isn’t even worth taking seriously. So many of the “protect women’s sports” crowd hate women’s sports and take every opportunity they can to trash it, the athletes, and the coaches. This is a fake panic being whipped up to demonize trans people and force them back in the closet.

Are you trans?

 

[Silverstreak02]

When you were growing up did you ever have a person refer to themselves as a pronoun and ask other people to? If so you grew up in a different era than I did

I cannot imagine someone being at recess and getting picked:

“I’ll take that guy!”

“Ummm please refer to me as my proper pronoun. I am he/she/they or I’m not playing”

This shit has gotten out of control

it’s a small gesture of inclusivity. If you call someone he and they say they’d rather be “they or she” and you decide to keep calling them he to prove a point, it just makes you an asshole. No different than pronouncing someone’s name wrong repeatedly.

People are gonna slip up. But in my experience, acknowledging these people and putting in an honest effort guarantees you won’t get hassled.