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I do not get too worked up on the numbers because to this point they presumably are small. I just do not like dishonesty or fabrication and especially demanding folks join an illusion that is contrary to facts or otherwise be punished. It is a type of group think in which you are coerced or even forced to acknowledge the truth of something that is patently false.
These arguments of : Thats weird and we didn't do it that way just reminds me of the "Thats not my culture and heritage " arguments. Very close minded.
The fact that you and the others are triggered by the mention of the word Christian is comical. You all are so far gone - be honest - you HATE the idea of Christianity.
If you’re all about free speech, then wtf does it matter to you who says it. You have no idea what his personal experience has been with idiots like you who want him to be silent. Free speech is all good until someone says something you loathe.
You’re a dumbass if you think they were let go for reasons not related to their beliefs and willingness to say what they said. Call it money, whatever, but these events aren’t a coincidence and Kirk saying something now about it isn’t a coincidence.
I get your point. Just passing along the information. Unfortunately assuming people aren't idiots doesn't always work
If you believe the IBA suddenly found a problem with boxers then I have a bridge to sell you. The IBA is banned by the IOC because of the IBA’s connection to Russian organized crime. It’s completely financed by a Russian organization (Gazprom). It has Russian directors. The two boxers competed without issue for years until they each beat a Russian boxer in 2023. That’s when the issues popped up. No tests were done, no results were shared. The Russian directors came up with their reasons to disqualify them. Both boxers were born as biological women and raised their whole lives as girls/women. There is no evidence to suggest they aren’t
But even saying “he/him” doesn’t ensure some dumbo doesn’t say “Him is going to the beach we me.”
Anyway. I digress. It’s just a pet peeve. Just tell me your pronoun is “he” and I’ll call you mister even if you’re rolling without nuts.
If you say “he/him”, then I’m immediately judging you.
No one is forcing you to do it but it does make you seem like a jerk
Not really. Just serious about facts. I understand that there are folks honestly confused about their sexuality. But I do not think the answer is for everyone to pretend their confusion is reality.
Here's a story from Newsweek in 2023:
Not all transgender people identify as women, and an even smaller number consists of transgender women hoping to compete in girls' and women's sports.
Privacy laws make it tough to identify the exact number of transgender athletes competing in public school sports, but researcher and medical physicist Joanna Harper estimates the number can't exceed 100 nationwide.
"While we don't know the exact number of trans women competing in NCAA sports, I would be very surprised if there were more than 100 of them in the women's category," Harper told Newsweek.
One hundred transgender athletes would comprise an incredibly small number of the U.S. population, and the number dwindles even further when it comes to middle school and high school athletes.
Gillian Branstetter, a spokesperson for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said the number of transgender athletes isn't comprehensive, but she's also certain it's a very small portion of the nation's population. Branstetter told Newsweek that Save Women's Sports, an organization advocating for banning transgender athletes from competing in girls' sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls' teams in school sports for grades K through 12.
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Again, wake me up when people are more bothered by the fact that 1 in 3 women will face physical or sexual assault during their lifetimes than the notion of 5 trans athletes competing in a nation of ~330 million people. In case you needed a reminder, the vast majority of people who physically and sexually attack women are good old fashioned heterosexual biological men. For some reason I don't think I've ever seen a thread about that on TI, tho.
Not all transgender people identify as women, and an even smaller number consists of transgender women hoping to compete in girls' and women's sports.
Privacy laws make it tough to identify the exact number of transgender athletes competing in public school sports, but researcher and medical physicist Joanna Harper estimates the number can't exceed 100 nationwide.
"While we don't know the exact number of trans women competing in NCAA sports, I would be very surprised if there were more than 100 of them in the women's category," Harper told Newsweek.
One hundred transgender athletes would comprise an incredibly small number of the U.S. population, and the number dwindles even further when it comes to middle school and high school athletes.
Gillian Branstetter, a spokesperson for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said the number of transgender athletes isn't comprehensive, but she's also certain it's a very small portion of the nation's population. Branstetter told Newsweek that Save Women's Sports, an organization advocating for banning transgender athletes from competing in girls' sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls' teams in school sports for grades K through 12.
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Again, wake me up when people are more bothered by the fact that 1 in 3 women will face physical or sexual assault during their lifetimes than the notion of 5 trans athletes competing in a nation of ~330 million people. In case you needed a reminder, the vast majority of people who physically and sexually attack women are good old fashioned heterosexual biological men. For some reason I don't think I've ever seen a thread about that on TI, tho.
wait…there isn’t a CHOICE to be gay? What you don’t have a choice in is: the color of your skin, being born with a penis or vagina, who your parents are.
Yes, it is a choice to see yourself as a different gender than birth. It makes ZERO sense to argue this when all the facts (science) proves it. What you can be certain of is something isn’t clicking correctly upstairs.
Sweet shit man, just choose to be ignorant if you want. The examples aren’t hard to find. Why can’t you just say men shouldn’t compete in women’s sports? Trust the science, correct?
Yeah, men shouldn’t compete in women’s sports. But as I said earlier, it’s such an incredibly small number and this panic over it way outstrips the numbers and is mainly being used to demonize trans individuals and shove them back in the closet
Oh please
What does Kirk’s religion have to do with men competing in women’s sports? He made it a point to bring it up so the two must be related.
You don’t have a choice in who you’re attracted to. Gay people don’t choose to be gay. Likewise, trans individuals don’t choose to be trans. They choose to outwardly transition but that outward transition (hormones, clothes, etc) only happens because of the way they fell internally. My views on this flipped when I talked to trans individuals. Their explanation was “well I feel like I was born in the wrong body and transitioning is the only way to change that.”
So if it’s such a small number and you’ve come across one why does Kamala go to extremes to post a video from the White House with everyone introducing themselves by their pronouns? B/C it is an attention grab
“I’m Kamala Harris, the VP, I identify as a her because I am a woman and I’m wearing a blue dress”
And proceed around the table for everyone to do it like they’re in K5 and then post it on social media. It’s an attention grab
Not at all. Maybe we don’t give a shit if you feel like you want to be a different gender, but at the same time don’t think you should be allowed to compete against women because of feelings. So just because it’s a small number of girls being impacted in sports by trans people means we should not care? Sounds weird since you’re wanting me to change because a small number of people want to be called she/her even thought they are biologically a he/him.
Because that video was her meeting with disability advocates, some of whom are blind and can’t see her
I don’t think it’s worth doing some national satanic panic over such a small number. Scroll up thread, the group Save Women’s Sports found FIVE individuals who this applied to at the HS level. In the NCAA they’d be surprised if it was more than 100. So we’re talking about ~100 people in a nation with a population of ~330 million
I think there are a lot of espn personalities who aren't getting tired of towing the company line! Heard on mad dog radio that ESPN brass is getting alot heat for letting Ponder go who was one very well respected by Espn personalities.
This is an interesting conversation. Someone made a reference earlier to things being natural vs unnatural.
Say it’s true that you don’t have a “choice” in who you are attracted to. Would being gay or trans be natural or unnatural?
If being trans were natural, wouldn’t there be 33% male, 33% female, 33% “trans”
If being gay were natural, wouldn’t there be 33% M/F relationships, 33% Female/Female relationship, 33% Male/Male relationships?
If you look at the world population, 50.28% are male, 49.62% female. That’s a coin flip. We seem to be missing a third side of the coin….
The more folks “hate” Christianity and the Bible, the more ignorant they appear to be because man does facts/science support the Bible.
I’m happy he has courage but I’m just so tired of people saying I’m a “Christian” in one breath and cursing in another. Poor poor testimony to a lost world.
Yes, non-binary people can identify as they. Some people use he & them in place of he & him. There was an Olympian from Charleston who was born female but identifies as non-binary using they/them.
I don’t personally know anyone who is trans or non-binary. But I’m respectful of those who are because calling them their preferred pronoun is just as easy as not. Like how being nice doesn’t cost a thing, yeah?
I would imagine that’s a difficult life and most folks can’t relate to it. That’s what bothers me most. These people are simply trying to exist in the vast majority of cases and they find themselves in a stupid culture war because that’s what American politics are now. Much like trans bathroom use was a made-up boogeyman, calling people their preferred pronoun is a non-issue.
I just quoted a study that was referenced in Newsweek last year that stated less than 100 athletes in NCAA and 5 athletes between grades 1-12 nationwide.
This is like Satanic Panic from the 80s all over again. I'm sure there were maybe 1 or 2 legit Satanists somewhere in the country, but then the cultural hyenas ran with it like it was a legitimate phenomenon.
If you want to really protect women then tell your male friends and relatives to quit beating and raping them. That should be a thread on TI/social media every single day.
You can do both. Protect women from asshole men and transgenders at the same time. Not hard
I’m so sick of people thinking this is complicated. People who think they are a different gender than they were born as are mentally sick. Asking people to pretend with them is ****ing stupid. Normal people are the ****ing idiots in all this for going along with it. Stop the bullshit insanity.
Which aspect do you think gets more play in the media and on message boards, etc?
Look, I’ve grown up around the church. Grew up Presbyterian, now I’m a mass going Catholic. Who cares about “natural” or unnatural. It’s not the norm, which is what I think you’re getting at. People who are guy or transgender don’t have a choice in how they feel. I don’t see how me recognizing that is against Christianity lol
Dabo curses. There's nothing wrong with cursing unless you're doing it around small kids.
you made not one point. then fall back into the standard liberal cop out - why do you care. i care because women are unique and not one single man should be able to take any opportunity uniquely intended for women.
liberals are losers.
I probably shouldn't but I'm going to jump into this real quickly...
My problem with using pronouns like he/him/they for someone that was born female is that, I think it causes me to lie to them because I think they're going through gender confusion and not actually born into the wrong body. Same for non-binary. If I confirm a falsehood for them then I don't think I'm doing them any favors or that I have strong evidence to back their claim.
This was well-understood until 5 minutes ago (more like 5+ years) and there's been no scientific breakthrough that's proven that to be false. You look at the explosion of LGBTQ identifying people by generation and it's clear there's a huge social/cultural component to all of this and not a biological one.
That's not to say that I shouldn't be respectful or understanding because they're certainly going through something that is very real but I think they're being misled. I would probably try to use their name as much as possible instead of pronouns.
Of course, as a Christian I think that God created them male or female, sent Jesus to redeem us through his blood, and the Holy Spirit to work through these types of issues with us.
They failed testosterone test at the Olympics? I'm pretty sure that would be huge news if so. Spoiler alert, they didn't.
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What a weird thing to judge people over though. In the grand scheme of things, is it really that big a deal? I mean really
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