Which debate? Trump vs Kamla? Or Trump vs Muir?Set all bias aside. Who won the debate?
Which debate? Trump vs Kamla? Or Trump vs Muir?
Funny, you did not do this thread in the first debate.
I admitted she won. I gave my reasons.I love how MAGAS can't admit defeat, instead they just complain about the refs.... Such a loser mentality.
I admitted she won. I gave my reasons.
Don’t discount the poor moderator performance. All of the above can & is true.
as with this race. Hell yea, she won it, hence the question to @nytigerfanI didn't watch it,but I don't think there was anyone who claimed Biden win that one. Hence he dropped out of the race.
as with this race. Hell yea, she won it, hence the question to @nytigerfan
edit: I will say in a very one-sided environment, but DJT still fell for the traps that she was very well versed in, for sure.
The biggest loser in the first (and likely only) presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trump was ABC News, which hosted the faceoff. The moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, embarrassed themselves and their network by, among other things, fact-checking Trump in real time on more than one occasion – sometimes incorrectly – while allowing Harris to spout serial lies and distortions.Explain how it was one sided? What question wasn't fair?
Y'all keep saying it's wasn't fair, but other than him being fact checked on an obvious lie, what wasn't fair?
Your level of delusion is remarkable.The biggest loser in the first (and likely only) presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trump was ABC News, which hosted the faceoff. The moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, embarrassed themselves and their network by, among other things, fact-checking Trump in real time on more than one occasion – sometimes incorrectly – while allowing Harris to spout serial lies and distortions.
Social media blew up early on in the debate with commentators on the right, in particular, calling Tuesday night’s faceoff the worst and most one-sided debate in history.
Some of the non-truths Harris could (and should have been) fact-checked on:
1. Talking about Project 2025 as if it were Trump’s manifesto, and saying that he will pass a nationwide abortion ban
2. Dredging up Trump’s Charlottesville comment – that there were "very fine people on both sides" – which has been debunked
3. Saying Trump had overseen the worst unemployment since the Great Depression, which was caused by the pandemic
4. Saying Donald Trump has opposed IVF
5. Denying that Kamala Harris ever called for gun confiscation (there are videos of her doing just that)
6. Saying that Trump’s tax cuts only helped rich people
7. And my special bete noir – saying that she and Biden have "created" 800,000 manufacturing jobs, which is simply not true.
There were others. Harris lied about her record and about Trump’s and was not challenged on any of it.
Perhaps that was inevitable; the liberal media is in full panic mode now that Harris’ honeymoon appears to have faded and Trump has pulled even and, in some polls, moved back into the lead.
People want to know where she stands. Unfortunately, because she deflected on most of the questions and did not flesh out the very few policies she has offered, they still have very little idea of her views.
That should have been the job of the moderators, but they declined to do it. Instead, they allowed her to prattle on with Biden-like platitudes. Once again, a bitterly partisan candidate is promising to bring the country together. Remember that one?
Would you like more?
ditto to your level of common sense and denial, Florence.Your level of delusion is remarkable.
Did you see anyone disagreeing?Funny, you did not do this thread in the first debate.
All correct.The biggest loser in the first (and likely only) presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trump was ABC News, which hosted the faceoff. The moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, embarrassed themselves and their network by, among other things, fact-checking Trump in real time on more than one occasion – sometimes incorrectly – while allowing Harris to spout serial lies and distortions.
Social media blew up early on in the debate with commentators on the right, in particular, calling Tuesday night’s faceoff the worst and most one-sided debate in history.
Some of the non-truths Harris could (and should have been) fact-checked on:
1. Talking about Project 2025 as if it were Trump’s manifesto, and saying that he will pass a nationwide abortion ban
2. Dredging up Trump’s Charlottesville comment – that there were "very fine people on both sides" – which has been debunked
3. Saying Trump had overseen the worst unemployment since the Great Depression, which was caused by the pandemic
4. Saying Donald Trump has opposed IVF
5. Denying that Kamala Harris ever called for gun confiscation (there are videos of her doing just that)
6. Saying that Trump’s tax cuts only helped rich people
7. And my special bete noir – saying that she and Biden have "created" 800,000 manufacturing jobs, which is simply not true.
There were others. Harris lied about her record and about Trump’s and was not challenged on any of it.
Perhaps that was inevitable; the liberal media is in full panic mode now that Harris’ honeymoon appears to have faded and Trump has pulled even and, in some polls, moved back into the lead.
People want to know where she stands. Unfortunately, because she deflected on most of the questions and did not flesh out the very few policies she has offered, they still have very little idea of her views.
That should have been the job of the moderators, but they declined to do it. Instead, they allowed her to prattle on with Biden-like platitudes. Once again, a bitterly partisan candidate is promising to bring the country together. Remember that one?
Would you like more?
After the last debate? Yes, there were posters on here defending Biden after the last debate if that is what you are asking.Did you see anyone disagreeing?
There were posters on here defending him or saying he won?After the last debate? Yes, there were posters on here defending Biden after the last debate if that is what you are asking.
Kind of wild how easy it was for her to needle him and get him to rant. When they got to the topic of immigration, which should be a winning topic for him, all she had to do was say people were leaving his rallies early and he unraveled and completely forgot all of his immigration talking points.Harris won.
Not because she provided anything that will help the country, but she stuck right to her gameplan of avoiding real questions, along with frustrating Trump to make him look like the bad/mean guy they portray him as.
I don’t think sensible Americans will forget the economic reality they’re living in, come Nov.
Not sure. Either is laughable.There were posters on here defending him or saying he won?
I agree with you here. It’s a shame vibes supersede policy in these debates.Kind of wild how easy it was for her to needle him and get him to rant. When they got to the topic of immigration, which should be a winning topic for him, all she had to do was say people were leaving his rallies early and he unraveled and completely forgot all of his immigration talking points.
I don't remember anyone defending him overall, maybe pushing back on certain points/narratives, but my main point is I'm fairly sure no one said he won. Which is why you wouldn't put up a poll.Not sure. Either is laughable.
And last night was pretty much a draw. If you want to give a moral victory to Kamala I would accept that. Won't make a difference on who wins the election, but if it makes you feel good that is fine.
Trump ko'd Biden.
I think “won” is a relative term. Nobody really wins debates anymore. I think 95% of voters have already made up their mind, but there may very well be some undecideds in key states that could make a difference on election day.Set all bias aside. Who won the debate?
I concur, though we’d very likely disagree strongly on who on in an actual policy debate.I agree with you here. It’s a shame vibes supersede policy in these debates.
Common ground for us, for certain.I concur, though we’d very likely disagree strongly on who on in an actual policy debate.
Feels like it’s been YEARS since we’ve had a real, substantive debate on policy in a national election. We’ve seen candidates debate golf scores, debate the size of their hands, debate whether or not they drink water weirdly, whether or not they can walk down ramps, whether or not they’re actually billionaires, etc. But policy? Very little of that over the last decade.
I agree with you here. It’s a shame vibes supersede policy in these debates.
Considering the ridiculous crap that you say.......I'm going to guess you don't really know the definition of common sense. Denial? Lol. Seriously? Man, talking about unaware.....ditto to your level of common sense and denial, Florence.
No we do not want more. Your whole argument became irrelevant when you stated that Charlottesville incident was false. The man clearly stated that "there were fine people on both sides". The whole world heard it loud and clear. Everything that Ms. Harris said was accurate.The biggest loser in the first (and likely only) presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trump was ABC News, which hosted the faceoff. The moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, embarrassed themselves and their network by, among other things, fact-checking Trump in real time on more than one occasion – sometimes incorrectly – while allowing Harris to spout serial lies and distortions.
Social media blew up early on in the debate with commentators on the right, in particular, calling Tuesday night’s faceoff the worst and most one-sided debate in history.
Some of the non-truths Harris could (and should have been) fact-checked on:
1. Talking about Project 2025 as if it were Trump’s manifesto, and saying that he will pass a nationwide abortion ban
2. Dredging up Trump’s Charlottesville comment – that there were "very fine people on both sides" – which has been debunked
3. Saying Trump had overseen the worst unemployment since the Great Depression, which was caused by the pandemic
4. Saying Donald Trump has opposed IVF
5. Denying that Kamala Harris ever called for gun confiscation (there are videos of her doing just that)
6. Saying that Trump’s tax cuts only helped rich people
7. And my special bete noir – saying that she and Biden have "created" 800,000 manufacturing jobs, which is simply not true.
There were others. Harris lied about her record and about Trump’s and was not challenged on any of it.
Perhaps that was inevitable; the liberal media is in full panic mode now that Harris’ honeymoon appears to have faded and Trump has pulled even and, in some polls, moved back into the lead.
People want to know where she stands. Unfortunately, because she deflected on most of the questions and did not flesh out the very few policies she has offered, they still have very little idea of her views.
That should have been the job of the moderators, but they declined to do it. Instead, they allowed her to prattle on with Biden-like platitudes. Once again, a bitterly partisan candidate is promising to bring the country together. Remember that one?
Would you like more?
No we do not want more. Your whole argument became irrelevant when you stated that Charlottesville incident was false. The man clearly stated that "there were fine people on both sides". The whole world heard it loud and clear. Everything that Ms. Harris said was accurate.
Full quote. Please note the bold part. This phrase has been twisted and used exhaustively as propaganda by the left. I understand that we have a ton of people not smart enough to understand that though.
"You also had some very fine people on both sides," Trump said in 2017. "You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. You had people -- and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists; they should be condemned totally -- you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."