J6 Hearing

[hopefultiger13]

Cool cool. Then tell us what we should believe, hopeful. Since you have it all figured out

I don't tell other people what to believe and I most certainly don't have it all figured out.

My personal belief is this... If you've got a case against Trump, put him on trial and lock him up. Just the same as my point against Hillary. If she broke the law, put her on trial and lock her up. Otherwise, this is all just theatre...

Trump's supporters aren't going to change their minds about Trump. They are just not. See Jim Baker for similar situation. He and his wife took people for millions for years and even when he was convicted and put in prison, there was a substantial number of his followers that still believed in him.

It's pretty obvious what I think of Trump and if he broke the law, I have zero problems putting him behind bars. That would amuse me greatly. But I don't think that Trump was working for Russia (although he could be blackmailed by them). I don't think he's a racist or hates a certain group of people or is somehow inherently evil. But Donald Trump works for Donald Trump. Period. End of Story.

Truth, lies, good, evil, right, wrong... none of that means a damn thing to Donald Trump. It's all about what's good for Donald Trump. He will do and say anything to that end. Sometimes that can be a really good thing for our country and people that are working with him. BUT when the good of the country (or the people around him) and the good of Donald Trump are not aligned... watch out. B/C Donald Trump works for Donald Trump. Always has, always will.

And this election thing is the case in point. A normal person would tip his hat, say he lost, and come back next time better able to win. Donald Trump would see this country ripped apart and burned to the ground before he EVER admits he lost. We see this type of person all the time on this board and we always say the same thing... That player is a cancer in the locker room. That player is always about himself and himself alone. And regardless of talent, that player is ALWAYS bad for a team overall.

 

[jakefest]

Jake - they knew there would be a full-on campaign to bully and discredit her and that's why they kept her testimony under wraps until the last second.

The campaign to discredit Cassidy Hutchinson has begun

The former Trump White House aide who spoke to the Jan. 6 committee Tuesday is under fire. Defenders say her critics should testify under oath.

www.latimes.com

People who worked with her in the White House speak highly of her credibility and also point out that her main detractor is a known liar

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I don't get what that has to do with the fact that it's hearsay though? They don't have to discredit her and it doesn't matter how highly they speak of her. She wasn't In the car and her testimony has already been refuted by someone that was in fact, in the car.

I hate that she's getting beaten up by media but she should have gotten better advice before she testified.

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

I don't tell other people what to believe and I most certainly don't have it all figured out.

My personal belief is this... If you've got a case against Trump, put him on trial and lock him up. Just the same as my point against Hillary. If she broke the law, put her on trial and lock her up. Otherwise, this is all just theatre...

Trump's supporters aren't going to change their minds about Trump. They are just not. See Jim Baker for similar situation. He and his wife took people for millions for years and even when he was convicted and put in prison, there was a substantial number of his followers that still believed in him.

It's pretty obvious what I think of Trump and if he broke the law, I have zero problems putting him behind bars. That would amuse me greatly. But I don't think that Trump was working for Russia (although he could be blackmailed by them). I don't think he's a racist or hates a certain group of people or is somehow inherently evil. But Donald Trump works for Donald Trump. Period. End of Story.

Truth, lies, good, evil, right, wrong... none of that means a damn thing to Donald Trump. It's all about what's good for Donald Trump. He will do and say anything to that end. Sometimes that can be a really good thing for our country and people that are working with him. BUT when the good of the country (or the people around him) and the good of Donald Trump are not aligned... watch out. B/C Donald Trump works for Donald Trump. Always has, always will.

And this election thing is the case in point. A normal person would tip his hat, say he lost, and come back next time better able to win. Donald Trump would see this country ripped apart and burned to the ground before he EVER admits he lost. We see this type of person all the time on this board and we always say the same thing... That player is a cancer in the locker room. That player is always about himself and himself alone. And regardless of talent, that player is ALWAYS bad for a team overall.

So who do you think is the bad guy? Who is telling the truth and who isn’t? You aren’t on either side, what’s your best guess at what’s actually going on? Because you just admitted you aren’t a fan of either and are completely impartial

What’s the truth here?

 

[clemsontiger02]

I don't get what that has to do with the fact that it's hearsay though? They don't have to discredit her and it doesn't matter how highly they speak of her. She wasn't In the car and her testimony has already been refuted by someone that was in fact, in the car.

I hate that she's getting beaten up by media but she should have gotten better advice before she testified.

I actually agree with the point about hearsay, and said as much when watching her testimony. It was all very interesting, and could be true, but so much of what she said was based on what she was told by others. I thought they should have stuck with what she heard or saw directly, of which there was plenty.

 

[jakefest]

I actually agree with the point about hearsay, and said as much when watching her testimony. It was all very interesting, and could be true, but so much of what she said was based on what she was told by others. I thought they should have stuck with what she heard or saw directly, of which there was plenty.

That's the challenge with the entire hearing though, there's no opportunity for someone to cross-examine the testimony so this is all playing out in the media which will only cast more doubt on what's real vs what isn't.

It also doesn't help that there is a paper trail of her pushing for a job with Trump post exit which tells me she wasn't super offended with what she heard or his actions.

The committee should have presented their findings to the DOJ in private and made it their problem to decide if there was enough for a conviction, would have increased the odds of getting a result out of this.

 

[WapPride]

The CRT stuff isn't a scare tactic anymore, especially when minority parents are showing up at school board meetings to speak out against it.

Asian Americans Emerging as a Strong Voice Against Critical Race Theory

Few are willing to speak out against it for fear of being labeled racists or white supremacists. Asian Americans, however, have emerged as a powerful voice against this pernicious ideology.

www.newsweek.com

There is a difference between educating our children of our stained history so they understand why it should never happen again and making them feel ashamed for something their great great great grandparents likely weren't alive to witness or actually contribute to. I'm shocked the liberal left continue to defend it in the method in which you state it when it's clearly written in state education policy.

See New Jersey's Plan To Implement Critical Race Theory In Schools, Mandatory By Law

In New Jersey, fancy wording is being used to describe what many feel is the introduction of critical race theory in public schools. The new New Jersey Student Learning Standards will start in kindergarten and end when the child graduates high school.

go2tutors.com

i read that go2tutors page and didn't see anything in the NJ statute about teaching people to be ashamed of anything their ancestors did. i did see comments on there about parents being upset that their children will learn about homosexual lifestyles during K-12, as if learning about homosexuality will somehow turn their child gay or corrupt them somehow, but nothing about teaching children to be ashamed of their past.

 

[yoshi121374]

Aren’t you all of those things? Aren’t you pro choice, 100% LGBTQ?

I also don't claim to be a Republican. I have voted with both parties, I am pretty socially liberal and pretty fiscally conservative

 

[dpic73]

I don't get what that has to do with the fact that it's hearsay though? They don't have to discredit her and it doesn't matter how highly they speak of her. She wasn't In the car and her testimony has already been refuted by someone that was in fact, in the car.

I hate that she's getting beaten up by media but she should have gotten better advice before she testified.

My heart breaks for this poor girl because she had the courage to stand up for what's right while knowing that she would be terrorized by the Trump wing and will probably need security for years. She knew her testimony would be picked apart but she did it anyway because she chose country over a man.

The hearsay may not be admitted in court and you can decide what you believe one way or the other, but if you watched her testify and didn't find her extremely credible, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sure it was Liz Cheney's decision to have her talk about the hearsay in order to give color to the entire day, so she just answered the questions that were asked. What's wrong with that? She told what she knew and she'll pay the price for it. The price that her cowardly superiors should be paying.

 

[dpic73]

That's the challenge with the entire hearing though, there's no opportunity for someone to cross-examine the testimony so this is all playing out in the media which will only cast more doubt on what's real vs what isn't.

It also doesn't help that there is a paper trail of her pushing for a job with Trump post exit which tells me she wasn't super offended with what she heard or his actions.

The committee should have presented their findings to the DOJ in private and made it their problem to decide if there was enough for a conviction, would have increased the odds of getting a result out of this.

This isn't a trial and no one can be convicted based on any of the witness testimony. What you're asking for is due process which is what he'd get in a trial if it comes to that. Also, don't forget that Kevin McCarthy had the opportunity to put five Republicans of his choosing on the panel but decided to take his ball and go home when Pelosi wouldn't let him put two co-conspirators on the panel. Even Trump is now calling him stupid for doing that.

 

[hopefultiger13]

So who do you think is the bad guy? Who is telling the truth and who isn’t? You aren’t on either side, what’s your best guess at what’s actually going on? Because you just admitted you aren’t a fan of either and are completely impartial

What’s the truth here?

I'm NOT impartial and I'm not sure how you think I am. I'm a law and order guy first and foremost. We should do things a certain way in this country. And that way doesn't have to be the way I THINK it should be done, but it should be the same way EVERY TIME... whether a Dem or a Rep is running the show. Rule of Law.

I don't like Donald Trump and never have. I didn't like him when he was a liberal Democrat and I don't like him now that he's a conservative Republican. IMHO, he's never been either of those things. He's a Trumpian and is all about Donald Trump. I actually don't hate him, but I really don't like him. He's kind of like a scorpion or a cotton mouth snake. Sure, it's awesome when he's pointed at someone else, but sooner or later he's going to be pointed at you and realizing that he doesn't care any more about you than he did anyone else always seems to shock people.

I suspect (because I don't KNOW.. how could I? )that the Truth here is somewhere between the two extremes. Do I think that Trump concocted some elaborate plan to overthrow the election ( a super criminal style plan)? Not really. Do I think he encouraged others around him to do whatever it takes so that he could remain President? Absolutely. So when things went south on January 6th do I think that he had no inclination to do his job as President and protect the Capitol/Congress/Mike Pence? Absolutely. Because PRESIDENT Trump's #1 priority was (and is) ... Donald Trump... Not right or wrong... not the USA... not the lives of his own supporters, congress, or anyone else. It was all about Donald Trump. It always has been.

Did he do enough to be removed from office? Meh... I'm not sure. But I do know that he's out of office now, so the point seems moot. Is there enough evidence to criminally charge him? From some of the testimony, it seems like there might be, but again, if there is enough... then charge him, have a trial, and lock him up. If not, then what we are doing is a waste of time and effort. Investigate away congress, get the info, file the reports and move on. But the dinner theatre seems over the top.

 

[yoshi121374]

I'm NOT impartial and I'm not sure how you think I am. I'm a law and order guy first and foremost. We should do things a certain way in this country. And that way doesn't have to be the way I THINK it should be done, but it should be the same way EVERY TIME... whether a Dem or a Rep is running the show. Rule of Law.

I don't like Donald Trump and never have. I didn't like him when he was a liberal Democrat and I don't like him now that he's a conservative Republican. IMHO, he's never been either of those things. He's a Trumpian and is all about Donald Trump. I actually don't hate him, but I really don't like him. He's kind of like a scorpion or a cotton mouth snake. Sure, it's awesome when he's pointed at someone else, but sooner or later he's going to be pointed at you and realizing that he doesn't care any more about you than he did anyone else always seems to shock people.

I suspect (because I don't KNOW.. how could I? )that the Truth here is somewhere between the two extremes. Do I think that Trump concocted some elaborate plan to overthrow the election ( a super criminal style plan)? Not really. Do I think he encouraged others around him to do whatever it takes so that he could remain President? Absolutely. So when things went south on January 6th do I think that he had no inclination to do his job as President and protect the Capitol/Congress/Mike Pence? Absolutely. Because PRESIDENT Trump's #1 priority was (and is) ... Donald Trump... Not right or wrong... not the USA... not the lives of his own supporters, congress, or anyone else. It was all about Donald Trump. It always has been.

Did he do enough to be removed from office? Meh... I'm not sure. But I do know that he's out of office now, so the point seems moot. Is there enough evidence to criminally charge him? From some of the testimony, it seems like there might be, but again, if there is enough... then charge him, have a trial, and lock him up. If not, then what we are doing is a waste of time and effort. Investigate away congress, get the info, file the reports and move on. But the dinner theatre seems over the top.

This is an great post.

 

[jakefest]

My heart breaks for this poor girl because she had the courage to stand up for what's right while knowing that she would be terrorized by the Trump wing and will probably need security for years. She knew her testimony would be picked apart but she did it anyway because she chose country over a man.

The hearsay may not be admitted in court and you can decide what you believe one way or the other, but if you watched her testify and didn't find her extremely credible, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sure it was Liz Cheney's decision to have her talk about the hearsay in order to give color to the entire day, so she just answered the questions that were asked. What's wrong with that? She told what she knew and she'll pay the price for it. The price that her cowardly superiors should be paying.

She chose her country after she couldn't get a job with Trump......she was pretty much free from Trump after he left the white house but applied for the role anyway.

but....she wasn't there dude and the people that were there said it didn't happen. Where are the people that were there that disagree? Get them to testify.

 

[jakefest]

This isn't a trial and no one can be convicted based on any of the witness testimony. What you're asking for is due process which is what he'd get in a trial if it comes to that. Also, don't forget that Kevin McCarthy had the opportunity to put five Republicans of his choosing on the panel but decided to take his ball and go home when Pelosi wouldn't let him put two co-conspirators on the panel. Even Trump is now calling him stupid for doing that.

Again though, what is the point of the complete waste of tax payer money if this isn't a trial? Do you like paying taxes? (if you actually pay them)

 

[dpic73]

She chose her country after she couldn't get a job with Trump......she was pretty much free from Trump after he left the white house but applied for the role anyway.

but....she wasn't there dude and the people that were there said it didn't happen. Where are the people that were there that disagree? Get them to testify.

LOL, you're tardy to the party Jake

Why Insane Liberals Deserve Better Than the Jan 6 House Comittee Hearing Rules

Just out of curiosity please explain that. That's easy to explain. Trump on the ballot is the single biggest motivator in the world for democrat turnout. And he's turned off moderates as well as some Republicans. Trump running = democrat victory.

clemson.forums.rivals.com

 

[97ClemsonMac]

I don't tell other people what to believe and I most certainly don't have it all figured out.

My personal belief is this... If you've got a case against Trump, put him on trial and lock him up. Just the same as my point against Hillary. If she broke the law, put her on trial and lock her up. Otherwise, this is all just theatre...

Trump's supporters aren't going to change their minds about Trump. They are just not. See Jim Baker for similar situation. He and his wife took people for millions for years and even when he was convicted and put in prison, there was a substantial number of his followers that still believed in him.

It's pretty obvious what I think of Trump and if he broke the law, I have zero problems putting him behind bars. That would amuse me greatly. But I don't think that Trump was working for Russia (although he could be blackmailed by them). I don't think he's a racist or hates a certain group of people or is somehow inherently evil. But Donald Trump works for Donald Trump. Period. End of Story.

Truth, lies, good, evil, right, wrong... none of that means a damn thing to Donald Trump. It's all about what's good for Donald Trump. He will do and say anything to that end. Sometimes that can be a really good thing for our country and people that are working with him. BUT when the good of the country (or the people around him) and the good of Donald Trump are not aligned... watch out. B/C Donald Trump works for Donald Trump. Always has, always will.

And this election thing is the case in point. A normal person would tip his hat, say he lost, and come back next time better able to win. Donald Trump would see this country ripped apart and burned to the ground before he EVER admits he lost. We see this type of person all the time on this board and we always say the same thing... That player is a cancer in the locker room. That player is always about himself and himself alone. And regardless of talent, that player is ALWAYS bad for a team overall.

Jim Baker the PTL guy? Man he was such a fraudster. My grandfather was a consultant for several years and Baker reached out to his firm to engage them into assisting with fixing their ledgers. He told me they looked at their ledger for 15 minutes and said he wasn’t touching that s*** with a ten foot pole because of how cooked the records were. Just a personal story lol

 

[WapPride]

She chose her country after she couldn't get a job with Trump......she was pretty much free from Trump after he left the white house but applied for the role anyway.

but....she wasn't there dude and the people that were there said it didn't happen. Where are the people that were there that disagree? Get them to testify.

she never said she was there. she said she was told that story, in front of Engel, and Engel didn't do shit about it. Engel hasn't testified underoath yet, nor has his boss who was relaying the story, and if they do testify then we'll know the truth.

 

[jakefest]

she never said she was there. she said she was told that story, in front of Engel, and Engel didn't do shit about it. Engel hasn't testified underoath yet, nor has his boss who was relaying the story, and if they do testify then we'll know the truth.

Her testimony has too many holes I'm afraid. Not to mention, there is no answer for how a 70 + year old man was able to best 3 secret service agents facing him in the rear of the limo, solve for the barricade between the rear and front of the limo and reach the wheel of the car from the very back of the limo.

And now also this......

 

[jakefest]

LOL, you're tardy to the party Jake

Why Insane Liberals Deserve Better Than the Jan 6 House Comittee Hearing Rules

Just out of curiosity please explain that. That's easy to explain. Trump on the ballot is the single biggest motivator in the world for democrat turnout. And he's turned off moderates as well as some Republicans. Trump running = democrat victory.

clemson.forums.rivals.com

Really not much more to say than these two tweets.......

 

[yoshi121374]

Really not much more to say than these two tweets.......

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The Republicans chose not to have anyone on the committee. Also, all of the testimony has been from Republicans.

 

[jakefest]

The Republicans chose not to have anyone on the committee. Also, all of the testimony has been from Republicans.

Because the people they nominated were refuted/blocked. They understood it for what it is, a show trial meant to influence votes not necessarily outcomes.

You're one of the few folks on here that I think can admit this is a waste of tax payer money despite which way you lean. Don't let me down

 

[yoshi121374]

Because the people they nominated were refuted/blocked. They understood it for what it is, a show trial meant to influence votes not necessarily outcomes.

You're one of the few folks on here that I think can admit this is a waste of tax payer money despite which way you lean. Don't let me down

I'm kinda torn about it. I wish it wasn't happening, I don't really know what the purpose is, but I also don't discount what these witnesses are saying.

It is shocking to me to still have people, including people on this site still support Trump. If these hearings make a few of them wake up to what a lying POS he is, or accept that the election wasn't stolen, it might prove to be worth it.

We badly need the Trump influence out of politics. He has fired up and invigorated a really scary part of the Far Right. It's always been there, but it's never had this much power. Republicans are in a really bad place right now.

 

[jakefest]

I'm kinda torn about it. I wish it wasn't happening, I don't really know what the purpose is, but I also don't discount what these witnesses are saying.

It is shocking to me to still have people, including people on this site still support Trump. If these hearings make a few of them wake up to what a lying POS he is, or accept that the election wasn't stolen, it might prove to be worth it.

We badly need the Trump influence out of politics. He has fired up and invigorated a really scary part of the Far Right. It's always been there, but it's never had this much power. Republicans are in a really bad place right now.

I guess my only question is what if 75% of what's being presented isn't true about Trump? So far, I've seen one side of the story presented and I've seen a good bit of that challenged with effect as the committee hasn't done any due diligence to also interview anyone that could counter their facts. The committee could have already requested depositions with the secret service but didn't, why is that? Also, as an example let's not forget the Russia thing has already proven to be false, so a 4 year witch hunt that probably changed the entire shape of his presidency and it was all fabricated. As more of this gets presented and more of it gets obliterated by the other side, you're just making him stronger within the fringes of the republican base. The left has no one to blame but themselves.

Go back and listen to this ladies testimony and count how many times she says "or something to that effect".......direct indicator she's not fully confident of what was said which would make her entire deposition irrelevant in an actual court of law/trial. She would get murdered in cross-examination rendering her a non-credible witness.

If you want to speak about the place Republicans are in, that's fine but then you need to follow that with the left........encouraging protests at SCOTUS homes, trying to kill a justice, burning down parental planning centers, a president that's openly and publicly saying he's going to go around the supreme court, out of control spending, war on oil/gas, open border issues, a criminal approach to inflation by the admin and the fed, etc etc.......all very dangerous stuff and plenty of it coming from elected officials on that side of the aisle. Plenty of crazies on the right but in turn, plenty of them on the left. Politics on both sides have totally lost luster for me. I have very little faith that any of them are capable enough or have American's best interests as their primary driver.

It would be a total shame if Trump got the nod again but it's easy to argue this committee is having the opposite effect of it's intended purpose.

 

[dpic73]

Again though, what is the point of the complete waste of tax payer money if this isn't a trial? Do you like paying taxes? (if you actually pay them)

I's sad that you don't think the biggest attack on our Democracy, by an enemy within, doesn't qualify for a hearing. It's pretty simple Jake

Pastor Trump has a large congregation
Pastor Trump is a devil in disguise
Pastor Trump's congregation thinks he's GOD
Pastor Trump's congregation would take a bullet for GOD
We won't be able to send Pastor Trump back to hell until we unmask him
The Jan 6th committee is removing his hood in hopes that his congregation will see that he's the devil and finds a new pastor
And hopefully we can then all move on

 

[WapPride]

Her testimony has too many holes I'm afraid. Not to mention, there is no answer for how a 70 + year old man was able to best 3 secret service agents facing him in the rear of the limo, solve for the barricade between the rear and front of the limo and reach the wheel of the car from the very back of the limo.

And now also this......

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didn't her testimony only say she "heard trump lunged for the steering wheel", and not grabbed at it like all of these new claims state? plus, she explicitly said she's only relaying something she heard, and not witnessed, in front of the accused perpetrator? i haven't followed any of this today so there's prob some new info out since friday afternoon, so please let me know if i'm mistaken. iirc the SS agent who allegedly had this happen to him hasn't testified yet, so he could come set the record straight, correct?

 

[dpic73]

Really not much more to say than these two tweets.......

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Why would she lie Jake? What's in it for her? She'll need security for years and probably won't leave her house because of all the death threats from MAGAs that she'll probably get for many years. She's just trying to do the right thing and has ten times the balls of her superiors who should be doing this instead. Shame on you for trying to discredit her. And let me remind you again that your media echo chamber lies to you relentlessly.

 

[jakefest]

didn't her testimony only say she "heard trump lunged for the steering wheel", and not grabbed at it like all of these new claims state? plus, she explicitly said she's only relaying something she heard, and not witnessed, in front of the accused perpetrator? i haven't followed any of this today so there's prob some new info out since friday afternoon, so please let me know if i'm mistaken. iirc the SS agent who allegedly had this happen to him hasn't testified yet, so he could come set the record straight, correct?

For secret service to testify, it has to be requested through something resembling an internal affairs committee for approval. To my understanding, no requests had been filed as of Friday but who knows what's accurate at this point.

 

[jakefest]

I's sad that you don't think the biggest attack on our Democracy, by an enemy within, doesn't qualify for a hearing. It's pretty simple Jake

Pastor Trump has a large congregation
Pastor Trump is a devil in disguise
Pastor Trump's congregation thinks he's GOD
Pastor Trump's congregation would take a bullet for GOD
We won't be able to send Pastor Trump back to hell until we unmask him
The Jan 6th committee is removing his hood in hopes that his congregation will see that he's the devil and finds a new pastor
And hopefully we can then all move on

It's sad that you think that was the biggest attack on our democracy. The stats don't support it. Just one point here, if there were as many armed veterans in the Capitol as claimed and it was a massive coordinated attack as claimed, they would have held the building for days. Anyone with combat experience will tell you that. They were back in session that afternoon. At some point, you need to visit the corners of reality and facts.

Hate to tell you this but the left created Trump. You guys keep ushering in these total wet blankets as candidates and you're shocked when the middle can't vote for them. Trump is in office because you put Hillary as the face of the DNC and she showed up in $10k pant suits, looking like a high school girls softball coach. Your own base didn't have conviction. The left let an absolute muppet like Trump win the presidency and you're blaming the conservative base rather than your own........elections are won in the middle, not from the base. The base always votes the same way, the middle votes candidate. Figured you'd know that by now.

Without Covid and a great deal of help from media, big tech and big corp.......Biden also loses in 2020 for the same reasons as above.

 

[jakefest]

Why would she lie Jake? What's in it for her? She'll need security for years and probably won't leave her house because of all the death threats from MAGAs that she'll probably get for many years. She's just trying to do the right thing and has ten times the balls of her superiors who should be doing this instead. Shame on you for trying to discredit her. And let me remind you again that your media echo chamber lies to you relentlessly.

Ok, fine, she just has a really bad memory I guess.........

 

[jakefest]

I's sad that you don't think the biggest attack on our Democracy, by an enemy within, doesn't qualify for a hearing. It's pretty simple Jake

Pastor Trump has a large congregation
Pastor Trump is a devil in disguise
Pastor Trump's congregation thinks he's GOD
Pastor Trump's congregation would take a bullet for GOD
We won't be able to send Pastor Trump back to hell until we unmask him
The Jan 6th committee is removing his hood in hopes that his congregation will see that he's the devil and finds a new pastor
And hopefully we can then all move on

Serious question, was the left's 2016 attempt to persuade electors to alter their vote with a made up hoax also an attack on our democracy? Seems awfully coordinated to me.......

Flashback: Dems sought to taint Trump 2016 win, change electors' pledged votes

While House Democrats' Jan. 6 panel tries to stigmatize scrutiny of disputed 2020 election, key party figures used bogus Russia collusion allegations contrived at behest of Hillary Clinton campaign in bid to block transfer of power to Trump.

justthenews.com

 

[dpic73]

It's sad that you think that was the biggest attack on our democracy. The stats don't support it. Just one point here, if there were as many armed veterans in the Capitol as claimed and it was a massive coordinated attack as claimed, they would have held the building for days. Anyone with combat experience will tell you that. They were back in session that afternoon. At some point, you need to visit the corners of reality and facts.

Hate to tell you this but the left created Trump. You guys keep ushering in these total wet blankets as candidates and you're shocked when the middle can't vote for them. Trump is in office because you put Hillary as the face of the DNC and she showed up in $10k pant suits, looking like a high school girls softball coach. Your own base didn't have conviction. The left let an absolute muppet like Trump win the presidency and you're blaming the conservative base rather than your own........elections are won in the middle, not from the base. The base always votes the same way, the middle votes candidate. Figured you'd know that by now.

Without Covid and a great deal of help from media, big tech and big corp.......Biden also loses in 2020 for the same reasons as above.

Are these serious arguments?

Trump tried 6-7 ways to stage a "white collar" coup and when that didn't work, he released the hounds. Just because it wasn't well coordinated and didn't work doesn't mean it wasn't a threat to our democracy. It's insane to me that any decent human being, especially one as smart as you, would waste a second trying to provide cover for that man. The Big Lie alone should be enough for anyone who cares about America to jump ship. This should not be a Red v Blue thing, it's bigger than that.

I agree that Hillary wasn't the most likeable candidate but she was far and away the most qualified. The pantsuit line is just stupid and smacks of misogyny. How much did Trump spend on his suits? You don't know because he's a man and you don't care.

 

[dpic73]

Serious question, was the left's 2016 attempt to persuade electors to alter their vote with a made up hoax also an attack on our democracy? Seems awfully coordinated to me.......

Flashback: Dems sought to taint Trump 2016 win, change electors' pledged votes

While House Democrats' Jan. 6 panel tries to stigmatize scrutiny of disputed 2020 election, key party figures used bogus Russia collusion allegations contrived at behest of Hillary Clinton campaign in bid to block transfer of power to Trump.

justthenews.com

You NAILED it Jake! Anything Trump did is the exact same thing that Hillary did!

 

[scotchtiger]

I's sad that you don't think the biggest attack on our Democracy, by an enemy within, doesn't qualify for a hearing. It's pretty simple Jake

Pastor Trump has a large congregation
Pastor Trump is a devil in disguise
Pastor Trump's congregation thinks he's GOD
Pastor Trump's congregation would take a bullet for GOD
We won't be able to send Pastor Trump back to hell until we unmask him
The Jan 6th committee is removing his hood in hopes that his congregation will see that he's the devil and finds a new pastor
And hopefully we can then all move on

The hyperbole is stunning. I was in Charleston harbor yesterday - boat anchored and swimming with my boys - not far from Fort Sumter. I recall a slightly more significant “attack” on our democracy there…

Trump is an ass and the events of that day are terrible, but it was like 1k people and most weren’t trying to overthrow anything. They were just stirred up simps with no real plan.

This J6 show really has you all twisted up. I hope it keeps Trump from running again, but we are watching an unfortunate side effect unfold first hand in this board with your increasing vitriol toward republicans.

 

[dpic73]

The hyperbole is stunning. I was in Charleston harbor yesterday - boat anchored and swimming with my boys - not far from Fort Sumter. I recall a slightly more significant “attack” on our democracy there…

Trump is an ass and the events of that day are terrible, but it was like 1k people and most weren’t trying to overthrow anything. They were just stirred up simps with no real plan.

This J6 show really has you all twisted up. I hope it keeps Trump from running again, but we are watching an unfortunate side effect unfold first hand in this board with your increasing vitriol toward republicans.

If you know the history of Fort Sumter, which I'm sure you do, you know that attack was made by the Confederacy - not the President of the United States seeking to overthrow the will of the people. Oranges to apples.

Not sure why you only focus on his last gasp attempt to stay in power illegally and ignore all the other ways he attempted to do the same. You have openly said you don't watch the hearings so you may not even know that Trump knew there were many in the crowd that couldn't get onto the Ellipse because they had weapons so he told them to remove the magnetometers and let them in anyway and said they could march to the Capitol from there. That should curdle your blood if you care about our country.

Look, I respect you because you're one of two or three rational conservatives on this board, but you can't just turn a blind eye to what's happening right now if you really want to save your party. Just right up the road from you five term incumbent Tom Price was walloped by election denier Russell Fry because he did the right thing by voting for Trump's impeachment. He has also received death threats and was even censured by your state's Republican party. All the sane, decent Republicans are being kicked to the curb in favor of immoral sycophants willing to prostrate themselves to Trump. I don't think it's hyperbole at all to say that paints a nightmarish future for your party and our country.

If that doesn't concern you, I don't know what to tell you, but if people like you sit on the sidelines and just watch it unfold without trying to right the ship, people like you will be left without a party to call home.

 

[scotchtiger]

If you know the history of Fort Sumter, which I'm sure you do, you know that attack was made by the Confederacy - not the President of the United States seeking to overthrow the will of the people. Oranges to apples.

Not sure why you only focus on his last gasp attempt to stay in power illegally and ignore all the other ways he attempted to do the same. You have openly said you don't watch the hearings so you may not even know that Trump knew there were many in the crowd that couldn't get onto the Ellipse because they had weapons so he told them to remove the magnetometers and let them in anyway and said they could march to the Capitol from there. That should curdle your blood if you care about our country.

Look, I respect you because you're one of two or three rational conservatives on this board, but you can't just turn a blind eye to what's happening right now if you really want to save your party. Just right up the road from you five term incumbent Tom Price was walloped by election denier Russell Fry because he did the right thing by voting for Trump's impeachment. He has also received death threats and was even censured by your state's Republican party. All the sane, decent Republicans are being kicked to the curb in favor of immoral sycophants willing to prostrate themselves to Trump. I don't think it's hyperbole at all to say that paints a nightmarish future for your party and our country.

If that doesn't concern you, I don't know what to tell you, but if people like you sit on the sidelines and just watch it unfold without trying to right the ship, people like you will be left without a party to call home.

Man I have to make 100s of decisions on a weekly basis and don’t have time to dwell on shit that has already been legislated in my mind. I made the decision a year and a half ago that Trump was a POS and needed to fade away from the Republican Party. The election stuff and the GA senate races were the final straws. None of this new J6 stuff affects my decision because it’s already been made, so there no point for me.

I can only control my little area of this great big world. My district just elected Nancy Mace over the Trump endorsed candidate Katie Arrington (who is crazy and is an awful candidate). We did our part.

I don’t know who Tom Price and Russell Fry are. If I did, you know what I could do about it? Nothing but get rustled up about it like you.

These “hearings” aren’t convincing anyone of anything. They are just enflaming the hyperpartisanship in this country.

In general, almost all of these people in DC are turds. That’s what gave us Trump to begin with. People are sick of these shitty politicians who don’t do anything productive for anyone. These hearings are a great example of what people hate in DC - wasting time on something most people don’t care about.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

Man I have to make 100s of decisions on a weekly basis and don’t have time to dwell on shit that has already been legislated in my mind. I made the decision a year and a half ago that Trump was a POS and needed to fade away from the Republican Party. The election stuff and the GA senate races were the final straws. None of this new J6 stuff affects my decision because it’s already been made, so there no point for me.

I can only control my little area of this great big world. My district just elected Nancy Mace over the Trump endorsed candidate Katie Arrington (who is crazy and is an awful candidate). We did our part.

I don’t know who Tom Price and Russell Fry are. If I did, you know what I could do about it? Nothing but get rustled up about it like you.

These “hearings” aren’t convincing anyone of anything. They are just enflaming the hyperpartisanship in this country.

In general, almost all of these people in DC are turds. That’s what gave us Trump to begin with. People are sick of these shitty politicians who don’t do anything productive for anyone. These hearings are a great example of what people hate in DC - wasting time on something most people don’t care about.

This is a fantastic post.

I think most would agree that the vast majority, I mean probably 95% or more politicians are shitty people, Trump, Hillary, Biden, Gaetz, Schumer, Cheney, Lindsay, etc, I mean the list goes on. But I also think you’re smart enough yourself to vote agenda not on the person, which I too agree with. This, by and large is what gave him my vote in 2016 as a first time voter and in 2020 to re-elect.

Anyways enjoy your 4th sir!

 

[TigerGrowls]

This is a fantastic post.

I think most would agree that the vast majority, I mean probably 95% or more politicians are shitty people, Trump, Hillary, Biden, Gaetz, Schumer, Cheney, Lindsay, etc, I mean the list goes on. But I also think you’re smart enough yourself to vote agenda not on the person, which I too agree with. This, by and large is what gave him my vote in 2016 as a first time voter and in 2020 to re-elect.

Anyways enjoy your 4th sir!

The thing I will respectfully disagree with is that Trump is not a politician. He came in to do this job after watching our country being dismantled and decided to step up to help fix it. Trump is a patriot in every sense of the word. He can be a total pain in the ass, is very egotistical and is prone to say very stupid shit, but as potus all of his decisions were to benefit the USA and its legal citizens and he was very good at it.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Think the J6 committee will mention this at all? I will not bother holding my breath for it. Incredible!! Yall want a smoking gun on Trump? This is a smoking gun proving that BLM/Antifa were in the crowd dressed as Trump supporters and it was known in advance by law enforcement. Come on @clemben @dpic73 and other believers in the J6 narrative please comment directly on this info.

BREAKING: Internal Memo Reveals Capitol Police Were Warned BLM from Baltimore Was Bussing in Rioters Disguised as Trump Supporters on Jan. 6 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

It was all a setup.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

BREAKING: Internal Memo Reveals Capitol Police Were Warned BLM from Baltimore Was Bussing in Rioters Disguised as Trump Supporters on Jan. 6​

By Jim Hoft
Published July 2, 2022 at 8:21pm

It was all a setup.
Trump supporters were framed by FBI and government operatives and BLM and Antifa terrorists.
A leaked internal memo revealed that the US Capitol Police intel unit warned that BLM from Baltimore was bussing in rioters for January 6th protests.
According to the memo the rioters were going to blend in.
TRENDING: Canceled Hollywood Star Bursts Into Tears as Conservative Audience Gives Standing Ovation
Via investigative reporter Paul Sperry:

“BLM/Antif will wear MAGA hats, wear camo,and attempt to blend in with MAGA crowd” so violence blamed on Trump supporters attending Trump rally

Antifa was actively involved in the January 6th protests and riots.
This has been widely discussed by officials and in reports on this website.
Cristina Laila wrote this back in February 2021 — Ex-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund dropped a bombshell in February 2021 during a hearing before the Senate Rules and Homeland Security committees.
Mr. Sund testified that according to intelligence gathered by law enforcement groups, members of the Proud Boys, white supremacist groups, ANTIFA and other extremist groups were expected to participate on January 6 and that they may be inclined to become violent.
The Democrat-media complex has totally ignored eyewitness accounts detailing how black bloc Antifa terrorists infiltrated the peaceful MAGA demonstrations.
According to a former FBI agent on the ground at the US Capitol, at least one bus load of Antifa goons infiltrated the Trump rally as part of a false flag operation.
Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) on Tuesday entered into the record explosive testimony of eyewitness accounts from Michael Waller detailing how he saw “agents-provocateurs” at the Capitol.


Michael Waller, a senior analyst for strategy at the Center for Security Policy specializing in propaganda, political warfare, psychological warfare, and subversion, said he was at the Capitol on January 6 and witnessed:

• Plainclothes militants. Militant, aggressive men in Donald Trump and MAGA gear at a front police line at the base of the temporary presidential inaugural platform;
• Agents-provocateurs. Scattered groups of men exhorting the marchers to gather closely and tightly toward the center of the outside of the Capitol building and prevent them from leaving;
• Fake Trump protesters. A few young men wearing Trump or MAGA hats backwards and who did not fit in with the rest of the crowd in terms of their actions and demeanor, whom I presumed to be Antifa or other leftist agitators; and
• Disciplined, uniformed column of attackers. A column of organized, disciplined men, wearing similar but not identical camouflage uniforms and black gear, some with helmets and GoPro cameras or wearing subdued Punisher skull patches.

Well-known Antifa-Insurgence leader John Sullivan was arrested in Utah after the US Capitol riots.
Antifa protester John Sullivan was caught on video posing as a Trump supporter during the rioting at the US Capitol on January 6th.
Sullivan also organized an Antifa rally on January 6th near the US Capitol. This has been ignored by the media.
From Sullivan’s Twitter page:

Despite all of the reports indicating that Antifa played a role in the January 6 riot, the media continues to blame President Trump and his supporters.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Just another antifa operative allowed to walk free and clear while American citizens are still rotting in the DC gulag for well over a year with no bail allowed.

Antifa Terrorist Who was Carrying Loaded Gun at Violent Protest Has Charges Dropped on Day of Sentencing -- While Jan. 6 Protesters Rot in Prison for Standing Outside US Capitol | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Tara Walker is an Antifa terrorist who was arrested in March 2021 after the terror group smashed up an apartment building in NorthWest Portland.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[jakefest]

Are these serious arguments?

Trump tried 6-7 ways to stage a "white collar" coup and when that didn't work, he released the hounds. Just because it wasn't well coordinated and didn't work doesn't mean it wasn't a threat to our democracy. It's insane to me that any decent human being, especially one as smart as you, would waste a second trying to provide cover for that man. The Big Lie alone should be enough for anyone who cares about America to jump ship. This should not be a Red v Blue thing, it's bigger than that.

I agree that Hillary wasn't the most likeable candidate but she was far and away the most qualified. The pantsuit line is just stupid and smacks of misogyny. How much did Trump spend on his suits? You don't know because he's a man and you don't care.

Not covering for Trump in the slightest but am suggesting this public hearing is nothing more than political theater. That said, best of luck in the outcome you're hoping for. Just hope the letdown isn't too great for you as I can't see how this results in any form of a conviction.

 

[jakefest]

You NAILED it Jake! Anything Trump did is the exact same thing that Hillary did!

Again though, this was a coordinated effort to block an election outcome. The point here being that even though Trump's rhetoric was embarrassing and unfounded, it's not a great deal different than what happened in 2016.

You can't be outraged at one if you're not outraged at the other.