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I’m not defending the J6 people, but I don’t follow your line of thinking on this topic.

Prison should suck. It should not be pleasant. You are there because you are a convicted criminal. It serves as a deterrent from committing crimes.

We have a thing called due process. We can’t subject people to those conditions without it. As I understand it, the J6 detainees have not received that and have been in jail for 2 years. That’s not right.

If they are convicted of crimes like using bear spray or beating a cop or whatever, I hope they get thrown in a shitty prison and are subjected to the sucky conditions that should exist for convicted criminals.
I think prison should be more about rehabilitation than as strictly for punishment. there's a reason the US has the highest recidivism rates in the US and it's not because this country is inherently more prone to violence or criminality than other nations.

The irony i find in all of this is that the problems with this specific DC jail (scant food/water, squalid conditions, standing sewage, etc) has been well documented for YEARS and it's never caused the amount of uproar we're experiencing now thanks to the cries of these traitors. They're slowly going through and sentencing the rioters, and since none of the ~40 still being detained, of which they were the ones accused of committing the more violent actions on J6, were approved for bail they must wait in jail.
 
The cat is out of the bag now.


Fox News host Tucker Carlson is reportedly planning to broadcast videos of the Capitol riot that were not previously released by the congressional committee that investigated the riot. Eighty-six percent (86%) of Republicans, 78% of Democrats, and 75% of voters not affiliated with either major party believe it is important that the public be able to view all the videos of the Capitol riot. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is among Republicans who have expressed concern that federal agents “deliberately encouraged illegal and violent conduct on Jan. 6?” when supporters of former President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol.

Sixty-one percent (61%) of voters believe it is likely that undercover government agents helped provoke the Capitol riot, including 39% who think it’s Very Likely. Thirty percent (30%) don’t think it’s likely undercover agents helped provoke the riot, including 18% who say it is Not At All Likely.

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Worm food, the proper destination for insurrectionist scum who are more loyal to Donald Trump than the US of A. Shame Stewart Rhodes and others couldn’t join her
Please go see a psychiatrist and beg them for some hard drugs dude.
 
January 6th is Pearl Harbor, civil war, covid,World War 1,2 , revolutionary War, 9-11, Vietnam war, Korean war, slavery times 1000000000.
 
January 6th is Pearl Harbor, civil war, covid,World War 1,2 , revolutionary War, 9-11, Vietnam war, Korean war, slavery times 1000000000.
Might be, since those other wars were against enemies outside our country. This is the first time in our history that a President declared war on his own.
 
I haven’t followed the details, but they should have been/should be treated like any American who deserves due process. And I don’t see why they wouldn’t be granted bail given that most are probably limited flight risk, not violent offenders, etc. There shouldn’t have been a separate legal process for them.
They are getting a separate legal process...that's the problem.
 

Jan. 6 footage appears to show Capitol Police escorting QAnon Shaman to Senate floor​

"The tapes show the Capitol police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides," Carlson lamented.

By Ben Whedon
Updated: March 6, 2023 - 8:43pm
Fox New host Tucker Carlson aired footage of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol Riot on Monday evening that appeared to show Capitol Police did not attempt to stop one of the leading demonstrators from reaching the Senate floor but rather escorted him to the chamber.
The footage shows Jacob Chansley, widely known as the QAnon Shaman, walking through the corridors of the U.S. Capitol with two members of the Capitol Police alongside him, according to the New York Post. The officers have not subdued him and he does not appear to have had his movement restricted via handcuffs.
Carlson, for his part, was livid at the behavior of the police force.
"The tapes show the Capitol police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides," Carlson lamented. Chansley received a 41-month sentence in connection with his role in the incident.
His outlandish dress and image appeared in much of the reporting on the riot and he ultimately became its most recognizable participant. Carlson also played interview footage in which Chansley indicated his belief that Capitol Police had allowed their entry and that his actions had been permissible.
"The one very serious regret that I have [is] believing that when we were waved in by police officers that it was acceptable," Chansley says in the clip.
Carlson then asserts that Chansley "understood that the Capitol police were his allies," before asking viewers "If he was in the act of committing such a grave crime, why didn't the officers standing right next to him place him under arrest?"
The Fox News host then excoriated the legacy media for its selective, narrative driven reporting on the incident which made Chansley the riot's public face and pushed a narrative that the incident was a violent attempt to overthrow democracy.
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy gave Carlson exclusive access to roughly 41,000 hours of security footage related to the riot, which prompted outrage from the legacy media, who expressed concerns that Carlson would selectively present the material to support his own narrative. The California Republican asserted that such outlets were merely "jealous" he got the tapes.
Ben Whedon is an editor and reporter for Just the News. Follow him on Twitter.
 
Qanon shaman who is now in prison was given private and friendly escort all over the capitol.

 
So even though you know for a fact he intentionally lies to misinform his audience for ratings, you still trust his framing and his editing? You are anti-truth so not surprising this is catnip to you.
He is showing the videos. How can you refute that?
 
He is showing the videos. How can you refute that?
Because you trust what he's telling you. You don't know when the video was taken, if it was even him and it doesn't mean anything regarding his cause of death. It's sickening that this is the kind of stuff Tucker focuses on to whitewash Trump's treason.
 
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Because you trust what he's telling you. You don't know when the video was taken, if it was even him and it doesn't mean anything regarding his cause of death. It's sickening that this is the kind of stuff Tucker focuses on to whitewash Trump's treason.
So for the record you are saying that Tucker has doctored the videos and they are fake?
 
So for the record you are saying that Tucker has doctored the videos and they are fake?
I'm saying I wouldn't trust his framing or editing for a second. If we want real transparency, Tucker is the last person that should have these tapes. Why not release them to everybody? We all know why - McCarthy made a deal with the devil to be named speaker with people who are abject liars.
 
Both sides the J6 committee and Tucker Carlson will show you the videos ,they want to show you.
 
I'm saying I wouldn't trust his framing or editing for a second. If we want real transparency, Tucker is the last person that should have these tapes. Why not release them to everybody? We all know why - McCarthy made a deal with the devil to be named speaker with people who are abject liars.

I think two things about all this. One, the Democrats and the J6 people flat out lied about what went on. Two, I wouldn't trust the cut ups and edits from Tucker as far as I could throw them. I don't want these avowed partisans disseminating information that's this important to the American public. There are more hours of footage than I could ever watch or that any of us could watch. That being said, this deal has always stunk and it would be nice to know the truth. I don't want to be stuck between two warring parties that would lie about anything to inflict damage on the other side. That's what we have here.

As always, your problem is you think you stand in the light. Nothing could be further from reality. You have every right to your views and many offer a valid viewpoint on things. But then you attach yourself to the dregs of humanity in politics and the media. That's where it gets gross. All they do is mislead people.

That being said, the videos of the shaman and the police are just damning! It undermines a lot of narratives we have been sold.
 
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I think two things about all this. One, the Democrats and the J6 people flat out lied about what went on. Two, I wouldn't trust the cut ups and edits from Tucker as far as I could throw them. I don't want these avowed partisans disseminating information that's this important to the American public. There are more hours of footage than I could ever watch or that any of us could watch. That being said, this deal has always stunk and it would be nice to know the truth. I don't want to be stuck between two warring parties that would lie about anything to inflict damage on the other side. That's what we have here.

As always, your problem is you think you stand in the light. Nothing could be further from reality. You have every right to your views and many offer a valid viewpoint on things. But then you attach yourself to the dregs of humanity in politics and the media. That's where it gets gross. All they do is mislead people.

That being said, the videos of the shaman and the police are just damning! It undermines a lot of narratives we have been sold.
I'm getting a little tired of you telling me what my problem is when my problem is people like you. Irrational, hysterical, hyper partisans with an agenda to make both sides equally guilty on every subject that comes up. You act like you believe you're a white knight swooping in with the absolute truth to set all the minions straight and it's nauseating.
 
I'm getting a little tired of you telling me what my problem is when my problem is people like you. Irrational, hysterical, hyper partisans with an agenda to make both sides equally guilty on every subject that comes up. You act like you believe you're a white knight swooping in with the absolute truth to set all the minions straight and it's nauseating.

Question: How can I by a hyper partisan and also recognize both sides are to blame? Where as you seem to want to blame the right for all that's wrong and never look in house for all the problems there? And yet I am the hyper partisan?

I try to always tell the truth. I never consciously lie about something. That doesn't help anything and it makes me look like an idiot on the end because the truth usually comes out. I'm not a white knight or anything else. I love talking politics and I recognize that while I am conservative, I don't have all the answers. I also realize there are very bad actors on each extreme of the left and the right. That's always been the case and likely always will be.
 
Ray Epps Perjury.

 
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Ray Epps Perjury.

 
Hundreds of defense counsel have been pouring through all of that info over a year looking to find something that could get their clients off, and haven't found anything. I'm eagerly awaiting the smoking gun that all of these counsels couldn't find, but Tucker is able to broadcast as proof of innocence to his millions of viewers.
i love when things go exactly as predicted
 
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I think two things about all this. One, the Democrats and the J6 people flat out lied about what went on. Two, I wouldn't trust the cut ups and edits from Tucker as far as I could throw them. I don't want these avowed partisans disseminating information that's this important to the American public. There are more hours of footage than I could ever watch or that any of us could watch. That being said, this deal has always stunk and it would be nice to know the truth. I don't want to be stuck between two warring parties that would lie about anything to inflict damage on the other side. That's what we have here.

As always, your problem is you think you stand in the light. Nothing could be further from reality. You have every right to your views and many offer a valid viewpoint on things. But then you attach yourself to the dregs of humanity in politics and the media. That's where it gets gross. All they do is mislead people.

That being said, the videos of the shaman and the police are just damning! It undermines a lot of narratives we have been sold.


 
Not everyone was barbaric. We'd have to look and see who was doing destructive things. We don't just paint everyone with the same brush.
 
Not everyone was barbaric. We'd have to look and see who was doing destructive things. We don't just paint everyone with the same brush.

Doesn't matter, you come to DC because you believe in lies and you want to take away my vote because of it, then you enter the Capitol, rile up the crowd with a bullhorn, climb the dais where they were counting the votes and leave a note saying “It’s Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming” you deserve no mercy. Four years isn't long enough in my opinion. Shame on you for being so easy to manipulate by Tucker Carlson.

Video of shaman entering seconds after the door and windows were busted out


 
Doesn't matter, you come to DC because you believe in lies and you want to take away my vote because of it, then you enter the Capitol, rile up the crowd with a bullhorn, climb the dais where they were counting the votes and leave a note saying “It’s Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming” you deserve no mercy. Four years isn't long enough in my opinion. Shame on you for being so easy to manipulate by Tucker Carlson.

Video of shaman entering seconds after the door and windows were busted out



Yet another example of your empty headed approach to everything.

I think two things about all this. One, the Democrats and the J6 people flat out lied about what went on. Two, I wouldn't trust the cut ups and edits from Tucker as far as I could throw them. I don't want these avowed partisans disseminating information that's this important to the American public. There are more hours of footage than I could ever watch or that any of us could watch. That being said, this deal has always stunk and it would be nice to know the truth. I don't want to be stuck between two warring parties that would lie about anything to inflict damage on the other side. That's what we have here.

Learn to read brother. You constantly misrepresent the things I guess because you have no points to really make. Shame on me for letting Tucker manipulate me? I'd have to actually watch Tucker first for that. He's an opinion guy with whom I often disagree. Not a journalist so no point in taking in his stuff. He's a partisan. Those kinds of people in the evenings are dividing the hell out of this country. I have no use for them.
 
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Yet another example of your empty headed approach to everything.



Learn to read brother. You constantly misrepresent the things I guess because you have no points to really make. Shame on me for letting Tucker manipulate me? I'd have to actually watch Tucker first for that. He's an opinion guy with whom I often disagree. Not a journalist so no point in taking in his stuff. He's a partisan. Those kinds of people in the evenings are dividing the hell out of this country. I have no use for them.
You say that and yet you followed it up with this nugget, did you not? Did I misunderstand you?
That being said, the videos of the shaman and the police are just damning! It undermines a lot of narratives we have been sold.
 
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