Just finished watching Michael Moore's sicko
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It only got to where it was because of bad federal policies.
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That movie is pretty dated, Obamacare fixed everything.
Op this may come as a shock but taxes are not the universal answer.
Young skulls full of mush!
A few more taxes? The Feds lied and fvcked Obamacare up already. I know first hand. I lost a trusted Doctor I'd been seeing for over 10 years. Cost? Lied about that shit too.
Why are more taxes the answer to everything? I have worked hard...damn hard for what I have. I have sacrificed to be where I am today. Why would I want to give it away.
I need to see some of the waste eliminated if I'm going to give them a bigger chunk of my paycheck. Revenue isn't the problem.
Fix the fraud, waste, and abuse and there wouldn't be a need to raise taxes.
OP....once you get in the working world for about 10 years, then rewatch it.
i wonder what the avg mdcal expenses are for an american over their lifetime.
i bet its at least half a million to a million per person
i very seriously doubt taxesof any level would ever cover the cost of each americans healthcare
we have to get the cost of healthcare down.
first is to protect doctors and nurses from lawsuit abuse.
i understand they make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, but the ridiculous amount of awarded monies for the mistakes is wrong.
and we need to slash prices acrss the board for everything.
no reason an mri should cost over a thousand bucks now.
i remember when a vcr was a $1500 bucks.
i remember when a cell phone was $1500 bucks.
no reason our healthcare supplies should cost as ridiculous as they are.
i bet its at least half a million to a million per person
i very seriously doubt taxesof any level would ever cover the cost of each americans healthcare
we have to get the cost of healthcare down.
first is to protect doctors and nurses from lawsuit abuse.
i understand they make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, but the ridiculous amount of awarded monies for the mistakes is wrong.
and we need to slash prices acrss the board for everything.
no reason an mri should cost over a thousand bucks now.
i remember when a vcr was a $1500 bucks.
i remember when a cell phone was $1500 bucks.
no reason our healthcare supplies should cost as ridiculous as they are.
You know, it's funny.
When I was a kid; grew up in a VERY small town. Our family doctor was actually in the next town over, because our town was too small to support a GP.
Our doctors' receptionist - and his nurse - was his wife. There wasn't any other staff, but he had plenty of customers to keep him busy.
Now, this is in the early 70's. Not sure what a doctor's visit cost, but it might have been $20.
If you didn't have $20, you might pay $10 and come back every few weeks until you pay the bill off.
There was NO insurance for most folks, NO government regulations compared to today.
Now I go to the doctor, he has a staff of folks in the reception area being sure forms are filled out and on the phone trying to get insurance companies to pay. It costs $200 or more to see the doctor, who really doesn't even know me or my family.
I don't see PROGRESS. I don't see how MORE government regulations, MORE insurance helps ANYTHING.
I have an idea: Let's go back to where we were.
Get rid of the staff (most of it). Get rid of the insurance. Severely limit your liability by doctors.
Charge $50 cash for doctor visits; no insurance.
Michael Moore's should not discuss poor health care unless he gets his fat ass down about 60lbs.
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So true.
Has a lady come into my business about a month ago who said she is out on medical leave. I talk to her about it; she mentions that she had spine surgery a month ago in the country of Columbia. Why Columbia?
Well, she checked locally. The cost of her surgery locally was $195,000. HER cost - after insurance - was still $40,000.
Her husband, who is from Columbia, has family there, found a good neurosurgeon.
She had the surgery there for something like $25,000. No insurance; total cost.
We HAVE GOT to get the government out of the medical industry and let them compete. GOT to limit insurance. Got to limit liability of doctors and get back to doctor - patient relationships.
It's totally out of hand, and getting worse.
I think this may have been one of the best trolls in a while...
I work for a company that has to deal with Obamacare from a payroll perspective. We engaged a consultant who reported directly to high level White House officials when ACA was working its way through the approval process.
He told us that the law was written to intentionally confuse anyone who needed to understand it so that Congress would eventually scrap it for a Single Payer system. Single Payer will be in Hillary's first 100 days agenda if she's elected...mark my words.
I would argue that you need to believe nothing from Michael Moore.
What if U of South Carolina produced a documentary on the life of Dabo Swinney? I bet you would leave that theater hating his guts.
Moore has an agenda. Do we have issues? yes. is this still the best healthcare in the world? hands down.
totally agree
we need to install capitalism back into the healthcare industry. socialism is just not making it any better.
drop the healthcare insurance industry.
get back to doctoring the way it was structured before we veered into socialized medicine.
There are many problems in health care but no entities in the process make near the money the insurance companies and hospital corporations make. They are sucking major dollars into their pockets and compromising care doing it. The patients are no longer the priority.
hey boss, its not that we dont believe we have the best doctors and nurses in the world.
its just become too expensive. its destroyed my life. taking me years to recover now.
a thyroid issue cost me over $120,000 in total care.
when i wrecked my van in lebanon tenn and got 4 staples that was over $3000 for a ten minute ride to the hospital, some staples, and an hour at the hospital waiting on drug test by the cops.
just absolutely stupid how much it cost to see a doctor or get anythng done.
its actually criminal in my eyes.
healthcare is about helping other people. not destroying families and raping their well being
Addressing medical coverage by changing insurance was not smart. Insurance should be catastrophic (cancer, transplant, etc) and preventative only. Emergency rooms should also be legally allowed to turn folks away that are not suffering an emergency-- and no, the flu, a sinus infection or a back ache is not an emergency.
Failure to use preventative care should require full payment for costlier and preventable care. Everything else should be out of pocket with some form of deductibility or tax credit.
Eliminating insurance as much as possible would result in shopping around and a likely reduction in unnecessary care; and reduced overhead for care leading to reduced cost.
Wasn't taxes that screwed it up. It was politics. There were a lot of good ideas on the table in 2008. All were rejected because of of political reasons. There were opportunities for it to be a bi-partisan bill. However, politicians started seeing stars and forgot about the problem they were trying to fix. The result was a poisoning of the well for the last 7 years. The result of inexperienced/inadequate leadership. Sad, really. It had a lot of promise before it became a goal unto itself.
The pharmaceutical industry almost assuredly makes more than the insurers. Their market caps are certainly bigger, much much bigger.
i dont understand turning business away. i dont understand not helping someone.
when they come in with the flu, give them some flu medicine
sinus infection, sinus medication,
back pain, some back pain medication
and send them their way.
$20 here, $20 there.
but what you are saying, is that the er is for big ticket items. if its not s $10,000 problem walking into the er then turn them away.
doesnt sound too christianlike, jesus would heal for free
I think this is the only way to have it work if its not going to be full on socialized medicine. We spend the most of any industrial nation by far, and with no better results in terms of life expectancy, etc. Nobody has any skin in the game, its all third party payments so no incentive to control costs.
And yes I figured this was the case, I assumed when I saw the post that the OP must have been banned from the main board again so had to troll here.
My wife works in a large hospital and deals with patients, billing and middle management on a daily basis.
The healthcare system has been going down hill for decades. Obamacare didn't do anything to fix the system. Not really sure what the best solution is ultimately, but universal heath care could easily be more cost effective with similar results than the current system.
Pharma, Insurance, Large Hospitals in that order are the only entities that really benefit from the current set-up.
Health Care providers (Doctors, Nurses, etc) and patients are the losers.
The healthcare system has been going down hill for decades. Obamacare didn't do anything to fix the system. Not really sure what the best solution is ultimately, but universal heath care could easily be more cost effective with similar results than the current system.
Pharma, Insurance, Large Hospitals in that order are the only entities that really benefit from the current set-up.
Health Care providers (Doctors, Nurses, etc) and patients are the losers.
This has to be the biggest wtf statement I have read in quite some time. Who the fark do you think spends the tax dollars? It is our omniscient political class. Taxes/politicians are joined at the hip.
Never form an opinion after watching a single documentary. Especially from a card-carrying liberal with an agenda. Have you seen "Making a Murderer?" Well, don't believe everything in it either. They supposedly left out a lot.
Valid point. He should also stop lying so much and learn about a few things.
Lots of truth here.
Our health care is second to none. The insurance industry is a screwed-up mess. Can it be salvaged? Certainly. Will things need to change? Yes. Is Obamacare the answer? Likely not, as I don't think anyone yet knows everything that is in there.
Obamacare points to a major problem in government. The government tries to FORCE compliance, rather than encourage it. What they do not understand is that the people who are tasked with getting around government regulations are 10x smarter than the ones that write the regs. That is a recipe for losing.
One thing that does bug me is the major difference in cost for particular drugs in the US vs overseas., That tells me that the US customers are paying the majority of the R&D and approval costs (which are conveniently left out when the per-pill cost is calculated by a lot of people).
Remember the little sh#t that ran the cost of an Aids drug up to $750/pill? People left out that he had to re-do a lot of the testing and FDA approvals on the drug, and that ain't cheap. The drug was grandfathered in and the FDA apparently wanted it "brought up to modern code" so to speak. The guy is still a little sh#t, but he may have been right on that one.
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Address the incredible F-up that is our insurance industry and then we can begin to tackle health care.
If you actually believe that the US has the best healthcare system in the world I really cannot respect anything else you may say.
Reading comprehension much? Where did I say the system was all that? I said healthcare.
I encourage you to go spend some time in another country for awhile and come back to see me. Perhaps take an elderly relative with you, who, I dunno, needs a knee operation and see how long it takes on that awesome universal healthcare to get it.
Enjoy getting wait listed for 6 months or more, or being told that you are too old to have it.
I can promise you that the united states has hands down the best heathcare in the world.
Cancer Care, I never hear of someone saying well we gotta get momma the best so we are flying to London. Hell no they go to Mayo, Hopkins, MD Anderson, etc.
When someone needs a heart transplant I don't hear about them heading to Paris. They go to Duke.
People don't travel to Tokyo to get their knee operated on. They travel to Emory or UAB.
Get my drift. The best healthcare in the world is right here.
We do have system issues, no doubt about that. But to use your line...
"If you think additional taxes are the way to solve our issues, I really cannot respect anything else you have to say."
America is the best for treating cancer.
Some of these nice retirement country's have solid health care at great prices. Places like Ecador, Panama, parts of Mexico are in this group. The problem is, if you get cancer, America by far has the best treatments and hospitals. Your chance of staying alive is much greater than most other places. That's something to consider.
That being said, there is room for plenty of improvement in our system.just wish that Obama didn't tell so many lies to get his parties insurance plan passed. Then so many people wouldn't be as pissed. He's tells us we can keep our Doctor, turns out that was not true for a lot of people. Then he says your premiums will drop, for most people they go up.
Some of these nice retirement country's have solid health care at great prices. Places like Ecador, Panama, parts of Mexico are in this group. The problem is, if you get cancer, America by far has the best treatments and hospitals. Your chance of staying alive is much greater than most other places. That's something to consider.
That being said, there is room for plenty of improvement in our system.just wish that Obama didn't tell so many lies to get his parties insurance plan passed. Then so many people wouldn't be as pissed. He's tells us we can keep our Doctor, turns out that was not true for a lot of people. Then he says your premiums will drop, for most people they go up.
nobody is surprised that you want to go back to the early 70s.
segregate the hospitals again too! AMIRITE!?!?
Revenue is not the problem but it is a problem. Our health care is and has been an international disgrace and some combination of taxes, reallocation and cost control is required to fix it.
Some things are worth paying a bit more for.
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