K State FB Players Announce Boycott

[nsp1996]

No matter your opinion of the tweet or anything that’s going on in this country, if you agree that an entire football team should threaten to walk off because of one lone voice that’s not even employed by the school, then you are a fvcking idiot. By that standard Clemson’s football team should quit too.

I also find it hard to believe that it is the "entire football team". Just like any "football team" protest, rally, or whatever that has zero to do with anything regarding football, you have a few true believers, some others who are joiners and want to be with the cool kids, others that don't agree but don't have the spine to do go against the tide for any number of reasons, and then there are others who disagree either with the issue or with the fact that it has nothing to do with football and have enough of a spine to not participate.

If my son were on that team I would be hugely disappointed if he had anything whatsoever to do with that sort of jackassery. If he lost his scholarship over it, I'd tell him to find himself job.

 

[nsp1996]

Haha, no i'm going to be okay. No offense taken, you're just wrong.

What part do I have wrong?

 

[MillerHighLife21]

This post is comically childish. It's really starting to become clear through posts like this that a lot of y'all think you are in some sort of position to demand something out of people. You aren't, and it's pissing you off. Grow up.

I assume you can understand how reading this in the mirror could be beneficial for a lot of people right now.

 

[darylcu]

He has every right to say what he said, and the players have every right to be offended and choose not to play football for a school that has people that think that way. As someone else said, freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from repercussions from people that are offended. These rights go both ways.

You're exactly right. The players certainly don't have to play football but KSU then certainly doesn't have to honor their scholarships. You're right, there are consequences for your actions, and that includes the offended.

 

[XTIGERK]

I hate this culture we find ourselves in. It’s the hot take choose a side mentality that’s killing this country. Why do some of you see the world only through one prism? It’s ok to say the kid who made the tweet is an idiot looking for attention. It’s also ok to say the same thing about the football players. Both are true.

 

[Impala64Tiger]

So the scales of justice now swing on what you believe and don't believe? And a matter of days is what outrages you? Look up the case of Tony Timpa. It is likely you have no idea who he is. His death was filmed and it happened in 2016. No outrage. No marches. No calls for reform. The cops laughed while we died. Guess what else? They were charged and then charges were dismissed. The charges didn't come for months! I doubt you posted about it or cared because the guy killed was white yet it was almost identical to what happened to George Floyd.

We are not consistent. That's why this is so frustrating. In the end, it's more about political gain than anything else. It's about growing and nurturing the racial grievance industry. I would be so grateful for an opportunity to solve problems. But that's not what we do anymore.

I agree we (as a society) are not consistent. That applies to many things.

As far as the scales of justice comment. Anytime an individual or group of individuals pushes for reform or changes to laws, that is based on their belief system. What else would it be based on?

Assuming that I don't care about the case you brought up based on race is an unfortunate and inaccurate assumption. I had not heard of this case, just as I had not heard of many cases of potential injustice being brought to attention recently involving people from varying walks of life. Some I have heard of, some I haven't. Thankfully many of the reforms being discussed apply to the case you brought up as well.

I agree I can see where some are using many of the events of 2020 for political gain, A can assure you my feelings expressed in this thread are my pure beliefs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics as I don't align solely with any party. All I want to be part of is constructive problem solving as well.

So what’s the need for quoting church folks. Lol. This shit is ridiculous.

As someone from the lowcountry with close connections to the individuals killed in that massacre, I initially read it and it came across as casual and deflecting. I immediately replied. After reading it again, I don't believe you meant anything by it and I shouldn't have put any emphasis on it by placing it in quotes. I apologize as it wasn't a constructive response for civil discourse.

 

[MillerHighLife21]

I am taking another position here, and it is off topic a bit; however, the leader of the free world has been insensitive with no moral compass since he has been in office. I am not choosing one political party. My concern is that the ‘Tip of the spear’ in government, business, family dynamics dictates the path of those following. Our world is a bit off now because of how it is being led. We must all be aware and handle ourselves in a better way. A legacy is all that is left after we leave the world.

I'd be tempted to agree with you on this, except we were seeing this during the Obama administration too. By all accounts, the tip of the spear during that stretch was as sensitive, polite and eloquent as anybody to hold the office in my lifetime.

The shout downs were coming long before. There are still memes floating around like this one. This image got passed around because virtually everybody who wasn't a democrat completely identified this as the behavior that they were used to coming from the left.

It's one of the biggest reasons, in my opinion, that Trump got elected (and I voted for Gary Johnson). People might disagree with Republicans, but this type of behavior and attitude of out liberals is dangerous to an extreme degree. It's worse because they've been convinced that this approach somehow helps. Instead, a lot of people get quiet and then around election time vote for whatever is seen to be the opposition. No matter how bad Republican policy might be, it's better than this in the eyes of many.

 

[fbfan2001]

Free speech protects him from prison. Not from being fired/expelled. There are consequences for racist language. If he worked at my place of employment I’d boycott til he was fired too.

This kid is praying he gets expelled. He’ll have 100 lawyers banging down his door to sue the shit out of Kansas State.

 

[cyclotiger]

I'd be tempted to agree with you on this, except we were seeing this during the Obama administration too. By all accounts, the tip of the spear during that stretch was as sensitive, polite and eloquent as anybody to hold the office in my lifetime.

The shout downs were coming long before. There are still memes floating around like this one. This image got passed around because virtually everybody who wasn't a democrat completely identified this as the behavior that they were used to coming from the left.

It's one of the biggest reasons, in my opinion, that Trump got elected (and I voted for Gary Johnson). People might disagree with Republicans, but this type of behavior and attitude of out liberals is dangerous to an extreme degree. It's worse because they've been convinced that this approach somehow helps. Instead, a lot of people get quiet and then around election time vote for whatever is seen to be the opposition. No matter how bad Republican policy might be, it's better than this in the eyes of many.

Just don't associate non Republicans with Liberals
That's the ish that's bothers me.

 

[MillerHighLife21]

Just don't associate non Republicans with Liberals
That's the ish that's bothers me.

Been a staunch libertarian leaning independent for years. I know the feeling.

 

[RagsToRiches2]

He made a really classless comment about a dead guy. The fact you see it as racist says more about you than it does about him. Or are we at the point where anytime something is said about a black person it is automatically racist? How's that work? Do we even know the definition of racism anymore?

Do you know anything about the guy who said it? There’s a reason HIM making that comment is more than just classless. It’s hate speech. Strange hill to die on defending a white nationalist.

 

[RagsToRiches2]

This kid is praying he gets expelled. He’ll have 100 lawyers banging down his door to sue the shit out of Kansas State.

That’s a fair point and is the only reason he hasn’t been expelled already. The way I interpret the law it would be fair to expel him. But it’s not my interpretation kstate has to worry about.

 

[RagsToRiches2]

Serious question, how was his distasteful joke "racist language"? It made no reference of his skin color, only his drug addiction.

I suggest you consider the differences. K-State is not a private entity. It's a state (government) institution. The 1st amendment protects people from government punishing them for their speech. So in this case, since K-State is a government entity, the student is protected clearly. K-state can expel him, but they are certainly open to liable if sued and would certainly lose.

Considering the context of who said it, yes it absolutely was racist. And not part of creating an environment free of racism. It was not just a bad joke. It was hateful and evil, done publicly and intentionally. If he wants to hold those beliefs he should be willing to accept the consequences. You have a point of course. Perhaps he is within his rights to do so and avoid retribution from a public institution. I don’t believe so as I would indeed classify it as hate speech. But I of course could be wrong. As I mentioned to the other poster though, odd that you choose to defend him.

 

[Willence]

Do you know anything about the guy who said it? There’s a reason HIM making that comment is more than just classless. It’s hate speech. Strange hill to die on defending a white nationalist.

I don't need to know anything about him. I do not have any opinion whatsoever of the person other than what he said was stupid. I don't know him and I don't really care to know anybody who trolls on Twitter. I can't stand trolls anywhere. The principle of destroying a person because they said something we don't like is so dangerous. And this is another example of that because the university is in an impossible position. they will get crucified by the media if they don't do what the football team wants. We're getting to that point where, as Franklin said, democracy is two wolves and a sheep siding what's for dinner. Do you really want to country with mob rule?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Kid should be expelled for being an idiot alone. And if all the players boycott then K-State can’t play football and the university can’t make any money from it. The players are realizing their leverage and it’s glorious.

If Ronald Reagan were their Coach then like the air traffic controllers

the players would be off the team

then other teams would not want to take them

 

[RagsToRiches2]

I don't need to know anything about him. I do not have any opinion whatsoever of the person other than what he said was stupid. I don't know him and I don't really care to know anybody who trolls on Twitter. I can't stand trolls anywhere. The principle of destroying a person because they said something we don't like is so dangerous. And this is another example of that because the university is in an impossible position. they will get crucified by the media if they don't do what the football team wants. We're getting to that point where, as Franklin said, democracy is two wolves and a sheep siding what's for dinner. Do you really want to country with mob rule?

Fair point and true that it’s a slippery slope as to what speech that type of retribution could extend to. I don’t want “mob” rule, but I do want consequences for racists. Also, it’s at the heart of protest to boycott. How can you criticize the kstate players for using their leverage to get something they want?

 

[RagsToRiches2]

If Ronald Reagan were their Coach then like the air traffic controllers

the players would be off the team

then other teams would not want to take them

Smart strategy to fire your best employees. That’ll show em

 

[12 - 0]

It’s all about recruiting...

 

[Buzzards Roost]

I would think, since the perp’s identity is out, this issue will take care of itself. Like Jeffrey Dahmer in prison. Especially since the football team is on it. Kid won’t have a chance if he matriculates this fall.

 

[Willence]

Fair point and true that it’s a slippery slope as to what speech that type of retribution could extend to. I don’t want “mob” rule, but I do want consequences for racists. Also, it’s at the heart of protest to boycott. How can you criticize the kstate players for using their leverage to get something they want?

Because we are actively creating more racists with this kind of behavior. Having that much hate in one's heart is a consequence unto itself. You can't just remove people you don't like from the Earth. Hitler and Stalin are notable examples of people who tried this approach. If someone is filled with hate, shouldn't we want to help them? Maybe he's got an untreated psychological condition. Maybe he was raised in a really horrible home setting. You assume that is an incurable condition but it isn't. It's a choice to see people that way and a person can make the choice to stop seeing people that way too. We're just plowing ahead and not seeing the crops we are sowing. It's so damn dangerous.

I am criticizing the K-State players because where does it end? If we empower this kind of behavior now, when does it stop? This isn't how things change.

Meanwhile a 20 month old baby and a 10 year old girl were killed this weekend and no one will say a word anywhere about that. What's more important? Stopping the violence that takes the life of a 20 month old baby or protesting some jackass with backward views? Our priorities are politically circumstantial and totally uninformed in most cases. That's why I criticize.

 

[nsp1996]

Smart strategy to fire your best employees. That’ll show em

It actually did. They were never rehired.

It also showed the soviet union as well and played heavily in their agreeing to nuclear arms treaty.

But nevermind all that.

 

[TimmyBobby]

I agree we (as a society) are not consistent. That applies to many things.

As far as the scales of justice comment. Anytime an individual or group of individuals pushes for reform or changes to laws, that is based on their belief system. What else would it be based on?

Assuming that I don't care about the case you brought up based on race is an unfortunate and inaccurate assumption. I had not heard of this case, just as I had not heard of many cases of potential injustice being brought to attention recently involving people from varying walks of life. Some I have heard of, some I haven't. Thankfully many of the reforms being discussed apply to the case you brought up as well.

I agree I can see where some are using many of the events of 2020 for political gain, A can assure you my feelings expressed in this thread are my pure beliefs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics as I don't align solely with any party. All I want to be part of is constructive problem solving as well.



As someone from the lowcountry with close connections to the individuals killed in that massacre, I initially read it and it came across as casual and deflecting. I immediately replied. After reading it again, I don't believe you meant anything by it and I shouldn't have put any emphasis on it by placing it in quotes. I apologize as it wasn't a constructive response for civil discourse.

no I meant as in it happened at church. That’s all. I think that event is a top 10 all time worst things ever in US history.

 

[hj_gville]

Are you under the impression that the tweeter was a coach? It was a random student. He doesn’t work for or coach for K-State.

I was under the influence of mind altering substances

 

[RJdent]

A new record! We almost made it through two pages before this was blamed on Trump. LOL

What's happening now is in no way his fault. It's our fault. Stop trying to shift the blamed long before he ever became president anyway.

This may or may not be DIRECTLY linked to him; however, the open use of social media for idiotic comments has significantly increased because of hi immoral use. You must not have led before...It is s

A new record! We almost made it through two pages before this was blamed on Trump. LOL

What's happening now is in no way his fault. It's our fault. Stop trying to shift the blame. This started long before he ever became president anyway.

My statement was not for simple minded people who have never been in leadership positions or do not understand social dynamics. The blatant use of social media to blurt out thoughts has become the new norm. Just be ready when people start following up on idiotic comments that can be directly linked to a person who is distributing the comments.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Fair point and true that it’s a slippery slope as to what speech that type of retribution could extend to. I don’t want “mob” rule, but I do want consequences for racists. Also, it’s at the heart of protest to boycott. How can you criticize the kstate players for using their leverage to get something they want?

Because the snap judgment, emotion-laden punishment would grossly outweigh the perceived crime.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Considering the context of who said it, yes it absolutely was racist. And not part of creating an environment free of racism. It was not just a bad joke. It was hateful and evil, done publicly and intentionally. If he wants to hold those beliefs he should be willing to accept the consequences. You have a point of course. Perhaps he is within his rights to do so and avoid retribution from a public institution. I don’t believe so as I would indeed classify it as hate speech. But I of course could be wrong. As I mentioned to the other poster though, odd that you choose to defend him.

You can glean all that from one tweet? I think we can all agree it was certainly distasteful and a very poor choice of something to tweet. I can’t say from it, though, that it is/was racist, hateful or evil. It’s definitely not hate speech.

 

[RagsToRiches2]

It actually did. They were never rehired.

It also showed the soviet union as well and played heavily in their agreeing to nuclear arms treaty.

But nevermind all that.

Was referring to the k state players. It’s not the same thing is my point

 

[RagsToRiches2]

Because we are actively creating more racists with this kind of behavior. Having that much hate in one's heart is a consequence unto itself. You can't just remove people you don't like from the Earth. Hitler and Stalin are notable examples of people who tried this approach. If someone is filled with hate, shouldn't we want to help them? Maybe he's got an untreated psychological condition. Maybe he was raised in a really horrible home setting. You assume that is an incurable condition but it isn't. It's a choice to see people that way and a person can make the choice to stop seeing people that way too. We're just plowing ahead and not seeing the crops we are sowing. It's so damn dangerous.

I am criticizing the K-State players because where does it end? If we empower this kind of behavior now, when does it stop? This isn't how things change.

Meanwhile a 20 month old baby and a 10 year old girl were killed this weekend and no one will say a word anywhere about that. What's more important? Stopping the violence that takes the life of a 20 month old baby or protesting some jackass with backward views? Our priorities are politically circumstantial and totally uninformed in most cases. That's why I criticize.

Goodness I don’t want him removed from the earth. But expelled yes. He can get a job at breitbart or something he’ll be okay financially. It’s not an either or about justice for those cases you mentioned. I’m commenting on this dude who has exhibited racist language, action, and affiliations in the past. This tweet is just the latest in a long line of racist behavior and should be the last straw imo.

 

[purenonsense]

Simple solution. Miss a mandatory team activity and face discipline. Miss too many and lose your scholarship. Play with whomever is left.

Football teams should be about football not whateve your cause of the moment is.

Lol at our country. Are there any adults left? We'll see if there are any at Kansas State I guess.

I am not hopeful.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ke-of-offensive-social-media-post-by-student/

What did the tweet say? The link has been taken down.

 

[purenonsense]

I am taking another position here, and it is off topic a bit; however, the leader of the free world has been insensitive with no moral compass since he has been in office. I am not choosing one political party. My concern is that the ‘Tip of the spear’ in government, business, family dynamics dictates the path of those following. Our world is a bit off now because of how it is being led. We must all be aware and handle ourselves in a better way. A legacy is all that is left after we leave the world.

I was gonna say that, as bad and insensitive as the tweet is, our President has said worse.

 

[nsp1996]

What did the tweet say? The link has been taken down.

Something like george floyd has been drug free for 28 days (or to that effect)

 

[FranktheDank]

The President just retweeted a video in which one of his rabid supporters yelled “white power.” Let’s not act like there isn’t still major racism in this country.

Are there many instances where false allegations of racism are made or people use perceived racism for their own benefit? Yes there are. Are these terrible? Yes they are. But if you haven’t been through what many black people in this country have gone through since the country was formed its kind of difficult to tell them how they should feel.

Agree it should be nobody’s job or responsibility to fix other people’s feelings

 

[Steven15]

Considering the context of who said it, yes it absolutely was racist. And not part of creating an environment free of racism. It was not just a bad joke. It was hateful and evil, done publicly and intentionally. If he wants to hold those beliefs he should be willing to accept the consequences. You have a point of course. Perhaps he is within his rights to do so and avoid retribution from a public institution. I don’t believe so as I would indeed classify it as hate speech. But I of course could be wrong. As I mentioned to the other poster though, odd that you choose to defend him.

What is the context? The context seems clearly laid out in the Tweet. I agree it was intentional, evil, and hateful, he seems like a POS and not someone I would ever associate myself with, but that is not the argument. I don't see how it was racist nor hate speech, perhaps you could expand more.

This is the 1st definition off Google that I found that defines Hate Speech:

abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

Based on the Tweet, it seems to do none of those things.

I don't think it's odd that I am choosing to defend against something that violates the 1st amendment. I think it's odd people don't care or are cheering for someone to have their right taken away actually. Do you think I am acting in bad faith or have malicious intentions when doing so? I could certainly be wrong as well. Will be interesting to monitor going forward

 

[nsp1996]

What part do I have wrong?

Must be a tough question.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

LoL, wow you are really just awful.

Glad to see you’re still as rustled as ever.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

So let me get this straight. You are so offended you want to destroy a person for tweeting something you don't like and you want others to grow up? Seriously? However distasteful you may find it, this person should be free and is free to say what they want. If we adopt your standards of what can be said, who decides these things? It just doesn't work and it leads to absolute disaster.

I am offended you called someone awful for basically saying words shouldn't have such power and we should just walk past stupid comments like the one tweeted in this case. By your standards, your TI account should be canceled because you attacked a person's worth over something you didn't like. Is that how it works?

I agree with the grow up part of your post. Just not the way you'd like. A lot of people need to grow up including the idiots who would boycott something over a tweet by some random person. We have gone stark raving mad in this country. Such dangerous times we live in.

To be fair, this guy (@okclem) has been obsessed with me since I said I didn’t like Kacey Musgraves. Very strange internet obsessed person.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Kid should be expelled for being an idiot alone. And if all the players boycott then K-State can’t play football and the university can’t make any money from it. The players are realizing their leverage and it’s glorious.

then kids lose an education

glorious right

 

[nsp1996]

then kids lose an education

glorious right

But they would gain education on the concept of individual responsibility and accountability.

 

[appalachiatiger]

But they would gain education on the concept of individual responsibility and accountability.

plus no telling what professors that they would run into that are socialist.

might make them better men by avoiding certain professors.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Alexander Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago should be required reading for everyone in this country. He tells a true story in that book about a communist meeting in this town where the communist leader started a round of applause in appreciation of Stalin. So everybody starts clapping. The problem is that no one wants to be the first person to stop clapping because they know what will happen if they are. So this round of applause goes on for like a half hour. Finally this old store owner from the town just gives up and sits down. Everyone else then stops clapping. After the event the KGB takes this man away. They arrest him and send him to the gulag. As they are arresting him they tell the man, "never be the first to stop clapping". We are heading to this exact thing in this country. We may already be there.

we will be there when the taxpayers stop working, stop taking care of their families, stop taking care of their churches, families, friends, and communities

and start protesting