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I just hate the no-knock warrants.Let’s get rid of Qualified Immunity for real change! Maybe we can all agree on this? Poll Added!
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I just hate the no-knock warrants.
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Not sure how I got invited into this convo, but I'll say this, and it's old:
I think this fits with the topics ITT: I'm seeing videos now posted online of cops specifically blocking off multiple streets around protestors and boxing them in, not letting them leave, and then arresting them after curfew.
This has to be a constitutional violation, no?
This has to be a constitutional violation, no?
I can see this point. This might be kind of a silly thing to mention in a serious (and really good) thread, but the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy (most notably The Dark Night) specifically deal with the issue of escalation among both criminals and law enforcement - i.e. cops carry batons, so then criminals carry knives, cops then carry guns, so criminals carry automatics (I know literally nothing about guns so I don't know if that's a good example), cops put on protective gear, criminals get weapons that can penetrate it, so forth and so on until you reach a point where you have a "militarization" of sorts.
I'm sorry, but to sue these guys you would have to believe a lot of them don't have a net worth of even $150k so this post is pretty much DOA.
You invited me here, I didn't inject myself into your discussion.
Well I also said get rid of QI completely so it’s not DOA. No need to bring your hate of all police into this. If I’m wrong sorry but I don’t think I am. I once hated them worse than ever too. I didn’t let one small bad group of a department do that. I helped make a change by making campaign billboards for the next sheriff. I didn’t give into the temptation of blaming them all.
I don’t see any real evidence there. Is it already after the curfew? It does look late in the afternoon. Please prove that videos time. There is not a date and time on the video. She says nothing during the video about it being after curfew. I would be screaming about it being after curfew! That’s not proof. I’m sure the sheep responding to that video are sharing it like wildfire. I bet those that can’t think it through or are too angry to are saying some awesome stuff about all police.
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I agree and I replied to how big your brush(video) was. Some things he says are correct but he also implies it’s all. If you truly believe that you really have nothing to contribute.
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I mean there are multiple accounts of people saying this is happening just before curfew as people are trying to start to leave. But even if not, even if it is after curfew, if people are trying to leave, shouldn’t the police let them?
I think there is an attitude of “we must arrest as many people as possible” and if you listen to audio of the President’s call with governors from earlier this week that seems to be the directive.
Cops in Atlanta literally stopped a car with people in it that were actively leaving, pulled them out of the car, tased them, and arrested them. I think those cops were actually all fired and charged, so progress there.
I somehow don’t see these guys showing up ITT lol
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I mean there are multiple accounts of people saying this is happening just before curfew as people are trying to start to leave. But even if not, even if it is after curfew, if people are trying to leave, shouldn’t the police let them? Not if they broke the law
I think there is an attitude of “we must arrest as many people as possible” and if you listen to audio of the President’s call with governors from earlier this week that seems to be the directive. It should be if they break the law
Cops in Atlanta literally stopped a car with people in it that were actively leaving, pulled them out of the car, tased them, and arrested them. I think those cops were actually all fired and charged, so progress there.
Those cops were immediately suspended and will probably lose their jobs like you said. I saw the news story. Your account is not entirely accurate, mostly but a little embellished.
I mean there are multiple accounts of people saying this is happening just before curfew as people are trying to start to leave. But even if not, even if it is after curfew, if people are trying to leave, shouldn’t the police let them? Not if they broke the law
I think there is an attitude of “we must arrest as many people as possible” and if you listen to audio of the President’s call with governors from earlier this week that seems to be the directive. It should be if they break the law
Cops in Atlanta literally stopped a car with people in it that were actively leaving, pulled them out of the car, tased them, and arrested them. I think those cops were actually all fired and charged, so progress there.
Those cops were immediately suspended and will probably lose their jobs like you said. I saw the news story. Your account is not entirely accurate, mostly but a little embellished.
It’s a multifaceted problem that takes more compromise than most folks are willing to give.
Lots of of good points in this thread by good posters.
My answer long term would be to pay the active, boots on the ground Military Personnel & Law Enforcement an elevated, desirable wage and have higher standards of acceptance into both roles. Of course the argument against that is the funding, but it’s difficult for me to believe some change or compromise can’t be made when individuals make millions off of defense contracts etc. C.R.E.A.M. Sad, but that’s what America is right now and it’s at the heart of a lot of our problems. It’s a collective failure that our Police and MP protect our country/look out for us on a daily basis, yet any schmuck capable of understanding a derivative lives more comfortably.
The economic issues and historical factors in heavily policed communities just fuel the fire on both sides as well. We have to find a way to understand and accept the past, while moving forward in a positive vein together.
We also have too many guns in our country. We’re armed to the teeth. It’s out of control.
The above leads to my next point, it appears that collectively, on a large scale, there’s no room for civil discussion on hot button issues, which in turn, leads to no change. Having a conversation with anyone about gun control is the definition of insanity, because it always somehow goes far left or far right, as folks dig their heels in on both sides, and we end up with the same result over and over.
I’m probably just becoming some crazy old man, but I still say it’s those in power, who stand to profit the most from status quo that don’t want real change for the collective good of the populous.
A family man making $40k a year busts through the door of family man making $20k a year. One is doing his job and following orders, the other asleep in his bed. People die. Turns out it’s the wrong house. Who stands to the benefit the most from this setup continuing without change?
The first 3 words of the Constitution are We the People. We’re hopefully in a time of change in America, whether change happens remains to be seen. I want real change and that change to be for the good. I just hope we aren’t blinded by social media/singular issues to the point we can’t see what is ours to begin with. Sadly, that seems to be happening on a daily basis.
Lots of of good points in this thread by good posters.
My answer long term would be to pay the active, boots on the ground Military Personnel & Law Enforcement an elevated, desirable wage and have higher standards of acceptance into both roles. Of course the argument against that is the funding, but it’s difficult for me to believe some change or compromise can’t be made when individuals make millions off of defense contracts etc. C.R.E.A.M. Sad, but that’s what America is right now and it’s at the heart of a lot of our problems. It’s a collective failure that our Police and MP protect our country/look out for us on a daily basis, yet any schmuck capable of understanding a derivative lives more comfortably.
The economic issues and historical factors in heavily policed communities just fuel the fire on both sides as well. We have to find a way to understand and accept the past, while moving forward in a positive vein together.
We also have too many guns in our country. We’re armed to the teeth. It’s out of control.
The above leads to my next point, it appears that collectively, on a large scale, there’s no room for civil discussion on hot button issues, which in turn, leads to no change. Having a conversation with anyone about gun control is the definition of insanity, because it always somehow goes far left or far right, as folks dig their heels in on both sides, and we end up with the same result over and over.
I’m probably just becoming some crazy old man, but I still say it’s those in power, who stand to profit the most from status quo that don’t want real change for the collective good of the populous.
A family man making $40k a year busts through the door of family man making $20k a year. One is doing his job and following orders, the other asleep in his bed. People die. Turns out it’s the wrong house. Who stands to the benefit the most from this setup continuing without change?
The first 3 words of the Constitution are We the People. We’re hopefully in a time of change in America, whether change happens remains to be seen. I want real change and that change to be for the good. I just hope we aren’t blinded by social media/singular issues to the point we can’t see what is ours to begin with. Sadly, that seems to be happening on a daily basis.
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It’s a multifaceted problem that takes more compromise than most folks are willing to give. That’s true but it is a great place to start. It gives us some common ground.
Lots of of good points in this thread by good posters.
My answer long term would be to pay the active, boots on the ground Military Personnel & Law Enforcement an elevated, desirable wage and have higher standards of acceptance into both roles. Of course the argument against that is the funding, but it’s difficult for me to believe some change or compromise can’t be made when individuals make millions off of defense contracts etc. C.R.E.A.M. Sad, but that’s what America is right now and it’s at the heart of a lot of our problems. It’s a collective failure that our Police and MP protect our country/look out for us on a daily basis, yet any schmuck capable of understanding a derivative lives more comfortably.
National Defense and Public Defense (police etc) are both as important. They are the number one reason for Government to exist.
The economic issues and historical factors in heavily policed communities just fuel the fire on both sides as well. We have to find a way to understand and accept the past, while moving forward in a positive vein together. Again, we need somewhere to start that makes a huge impact. It can be our positive artery.
We also have too many guns in our country. We’re armed to the teeth. It’s out of control.
Guns are not the problem, no more than a car is the root evil of all car accidents. You know, Constitution and all just like We the People. NEXT
The above leads to my next point, it appears that collectively, on a large scale, there’s no room for civil discussion on hot button issues, which in turn, leads to no change. Having a conversation with anyone about gun control is the definition of insanity, because it always somehow goes far left or far right, as folks dig their heels in on both sides, and we end up with the same result over and over. Simple, don’t bring gun control to a discussion on Qualified Immunity. We are trying to find common ground here and you know that is not common ground.
I’m probably just becoming some crazy old man, but I still say it’s those in power, who stand to profit the most from status quo that don’t want real change for the collective good of the populous.
Oh, you’re a communist now we get it. You had no opportunity blah blah blah. Stay on the subject please. jk There will always be people in power. “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.”
A family man making $40k a year busts through the door of family man making $20k a year. One is doing his job and following orders, the other asleep in his bed. People die. Turns out it’s the wrong house. Who stands to the benefit the most from this setup continuing without change? EVERYONE (common ground) already stomped all over the no knock warrant issue before you. But thanks for trying to beat a dead horse. jk That is Unless you’re saying that is what happens with a knock warrant. Then I say, how else do you want to find criminals?
The first 3 words of the Constitution are We the People. We’re hopefully in a time of change in America, whether change happens remains to be seen. I want real change and that change to be for the good. I just hope we aren’t blinded by social media/singular issues to the point we can’t see what is ours to begin with. Sadly, that seems to be happening on a daily basis. Don’t give up just because you can’t have it happen you’re way. Find common ground if you want change, don’t steal the American Dream from everyone. You know, For The People
Sorry if I read you wrong but I don’t think I did. Seriously we need a common place to start and this is it IMO. It will make a huge impact on how police work. I know we can talk about this one thing. Focus on it like a laser. I’m pretty sure 90% agree on it. Let’s find out, I added a poll.
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Good thread! I’ll try and address a few things since I was invited and asked to participate. I believe we must continue the war on drugs. So many states are legalizing marijuana (which I disagree with) and the states that haven’t usually just give out a ticket. However the hard drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, etc, we must continue working to get those drugs off the streets.
The no knock raids needs to end, got to get rid of that.
The militarization of police forces does not need to be discontinued. When there is looting and rioting, the police need rioting gear and the necessary equipment to protect the innocent and stop the destruction of property. I believe in peaceful protest but when you begin to destroy other people’s property who had absolutely nothing to do with whatever the issue is, it’s ridiculous and needs to be stopped!
I believe we need to implement constitutional carry. We need to enforce the laws on the books when it comes to background checks. Passing more laws that you aren’t going to enforce anyway is one of the dumbest things we as a country could do.
We need to get the bad apples out of law enforcement. The cop that murdered George Floyd had so many red flags that he should have been fired years ago...that mess needs to stop!!
Get rid of qualified immunity.
The no knock raids needs to end, got to get rid of that.
The militarization of police forces does not need to be discontinued. When there is looting and rioting, the police need rioting gear and the necessary equipment to protect the innocent and stop the destruction of property. I believe in peaceful protest but when you begin to destroy other people’s property who had absolutely nothing to do with whatever the issue is, it’s ridiculous and needs to be stopped!
I believe we need to implement constitutional carry. We need to enforce the laws on the books when it comes to background checks. Passing more laws that you aren’t going to enforce anyway is one of the dumbest things we as a country could do.
We need to get the bad apples out of law enforcement. The cop that murdered George Floyd had so many red flags that he should have been fired years ago...that mess needs to stop!!
Get rid of qualified immunity.
It is. But the courts have ruled they can happen, just like asset forfeiture. Its BS.
DUI checkpoints should also be illegal. So should Terry stops and the use of drugs dogs on traffic stops.....I could go on and on.
Yeah that kind of stuff shouldn’t be happening. I was involved in one years ago and that shit was scary. I was visiting a friend at his house one afternoon when cops walked in unannounced. I noticed something in the corner of my eye and when I went to check it out, I suddenly had a pistol and shotgun pointed at me. I can only imagine how chaotic that situation is when it happens in the middle of the night.
Nobody is going to work at a job where they have to defend themselves with a baton because a criminal has a knife. It’s just too dangerous. It’s not realistic
That's called rationalization. The cops had to concoct some story to make it seem it was an "accident". They f'd up and they were trying to lessen their burden.
So you where there? Or Do you have video? That’s Christian’s version of the story. Are you calling Christian Wilkins a liar? If you have solid proof please post it. If not please don’t stir the pot.
Be constructive and discuss the original question.
Well I am sure I will be attacked in this thread. However I support the use of no knock warrants. No offense to @Ron Munson because I agree with 99%of his post. Believe me no knock warrants are the safest way. All of the examples in this thread are the exception and not the rule. Sure sometimes things go bad.....it’s inevitable. However most of the time things go as planned. It’s a safety issue. If cops had to knock and announce for every warrant they served well you would see a lot more deaths. Dead homeowners/suspects and dead cops. That’s a fact.
Also cops are not given no knock warrants without justification. There has to be circumstances that would justify it. Most warrants are knock and announce.
Also cops are not given no knock warrants without justification. There has to be circumstances that would justify it. Most warrants are knock and announce.
They still go into the wrong house too many times.
I get the safety issue, but they should still be unconstitutional. Safety isn't worth ignoring the constitution.
I always tell people, wait until your door is kicked down in the middle of the night, your dog shot, your wife cuffed, and a gun pointed at your children.
RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
against looters and rioters, as well as, crooked cops.
this whole issue about black lives matter is gonna have to morph
into an all lives matter.
they way its going is not going to have a favorable outcome
just a waste of time and loss of income for everyone wasting days screwing around drawing posters and hindering others right of way to work.
i think eventually it will be the taxpayers versus the lazy mooches
wont have anything to do with color.
those who are a drag on the economy will be cut loose from the taxpayers nipples
into an all lives matter.
they way its going is not going to have a favorable outcome
just a waste of time and loss of income for everyone wasting days screwing around drawing posters and hindering others right of way to work.
i think eventually it will be the taxpayers versus the lazy mooches
wont have anything to do with color.
those who are a drag on the economy will be cut loose from the taxpayers nipples
Really need the flat tax, so everyone pays. Even the criminals will pay when they buy. Also the wealthy will pay much more when they buy that yacht for their company.
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