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Let's talk polls and betting odds

Some are, no doubt, but where is the vote volume going to come from? Biden carried this state by less than 82k votes, or about 1.2% over Trump. Curious if you have anything more to go on other than just a feeling?
Yes, people here & elsewhere I talk to
 
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CNN just reported that the most important issue per exit polling is Democracy 👀

Uh-oh
 
An analysis of voter turnout from Newsweek:
Arizona
2.5M voted early; 797k were from registered Dems; over 1.02M from Repubs

Georgia
4.0M voted early; 92 counties exceeded 50% turnout; no party affiliation given (jerks :rolleyes: )

Michigan
3.3M voted early; no party affiliation given (also jerks)

Nevada
543K voted early; 247,263 were Republicans vs 150,160 Democrats

Tar Holes
4.46M voted early (57% of the state's registered voters); no affiliation given (super jerks)

Pennsyltucky
1.8M already voted; Dems lead 1.04M to 623k Repubs (still a significant increase by Repubs over 2020 against a significant decrease by Dems)

Wisky
1.5M voted; no party breakout; double super jerks)

 
Lol at you thinking 90+% of all abortions are life saving.

Honestly, of the 1million abortions a year, how many do you and your brothers, okclem / dicpic / etc, think are live saving medical?
idk, and I'd have to be a moron before legislating or court ruling away that right without understanding the far reaching impacts. Wouldn't I?
Dog catches car, the Trump Dobbs story.
 
idk, and I'd have to be a moron before legislating or court ruling away that right without understanding the far reaching impacts. Wouldn't I?
Dog catches car, the Trump Dobbs story.
Lol at your idk response. You know good and well that those life saving situations represents a very small number of abortions.

Heck. There weee abortion trucks at the DNC ready and eager to abort babies. They must have anticipated a lot of life saving procedures inside those trucks…..

Give me a damn break.
 
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Lol at your idk response. You know good and well that those life saving situations represents a very small number of abortions.

Heck. There weee abortion trucks at the DNC ready and eager to abort babies. They must have anticipated a lot of life saving procedures inside those trucks…..

Give me a damn break.
If we were sitting down face to face, I'd help you understand my perspective. You would understand my issues with how things have transpired. Now we could talk about abortion and how the government plays that role, at the end though my position is: We don't need the government deciding this, if you don't want an abortion, don't get one.
 
The latest betting market pull is much the same as the last few, but there has been some volatilely in between. For ex, polymarket has dipped below 57% for Trump at one point before rebounding sharply. In fact, as I type is has already shot up to 64.7% now 67%!

08:15 AM​
10:45 AM​
04:30 PM​
07:30 PM​
Trump
Harris
Trump
Harris
Trump
Harris
Trump
Harris
BetOnline​
63.9​
39.2​
64.9​
30.8​
62.3​
30.8​
63.0​
41.7​
Betfair​
61.4​
39.1​
61.7​
38.5​
61.7​
38.5​
62.1​
38.8​
Betsson​
60.6​
42.7​
60.6​
42.7​
63.6​
42.7​
63.6​
41.7​
Bovada​
61.5​
41.7​
62.5​
42.7​
62.3​
42.7​
62.3​
42.6​
Bwin​
62.3​
42.6​
62.3​
42.6​
62.3​
42.6​
62.3​
42.6​
Points Bet​
64.5​
40.8​
64.5​
40.8​
64.5​
40.8​
64.5​
40.8​
Polymarket​
61.1​
39.1​
62.7​
37.3​
61.1​
37.3​
61.8​
38.4​
Smarkets​
60.2​
39.7​
60.6​
39.1​
60.6​
39.1​
61.4​
39.1​
Average
61.9
40.6
62.5
39.3
62.3
39.3
62.6
40.7
 
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Most betting markets are pushing Trump to 70%...but PA remains tight. Not sure what there are seeing. Anyone got any ideas?
 
Boom! SC called for Trump. I <3 SC

EDIT: Sorry...I won't do that anymore in this thread. I value everyone's analysis. Please post up is any of you see something.
 
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Wow...what a difference 30 minutes make....
07:30 PM​
08:00 PM​
Trump
Harris
Trump
Harris
BetOnline​
69.2​
35.1​
69.2​
35.1​
Betfair​
62.1​
38.8​
68.0​
32.8​
Betsson​
68.9​
36.4​
70.4​
35.1​
Bovada​
62.3​
42.6​
71.4​
32.3​
Bwin​
62.3​
42.6​
69.2​
34.5​
Points Bet​
64.5​
40.8​
72.5​
33.3​
Polymarket​
61.8​
38.4​
70.6​
29.7​
Smarkets​
61.4​
39.1​
69.0​
30.8​
Average
64.1
39.2
70.0
32.9
 
Are any of yall getting these exit poll returns? If half of these are true, how can this race be close?
 
For Trump on Bovada:
NC at -320 (76.2)
NV at -180 (64.3)
AZ -1,000 (90.9)
PA -180 (64.3)
WI -170 (63.0) !!!!!!!!
IA -850 (89.5)
 
Its all been covered in this thread.

Abortion will drive Kamala's win.
She will win PA, NV and MI.
Dems will outperform the polls like they did in 2022.
Women will show out for her.
trump is relying on an unreliable younger male demographic to carry the day.
In all of these polls that you claim to believe, she has a higher favorability rating.

This is not 2016. People know who trump is and they don't like him. I know quite a few republicans who will not vote for him and want him to ride off into the sunset.

😂
 
CNN just reported that the most important issue per exit polling is Democracy 👀

Uh-oh
You need a new source.

iu
 
If you think Trump is leading a once in a generation realignment of Black voters then I got some oceanfront property in Omaha to offload. A Howard University poll found that Harris was basically equal to Biden in terms of Black support. I also think actual voting support from the youth vote will not swing to Trump. Also, anti-trans panic stuff is an electoral loser, as has been shown time and time again, especially in 2022
Haha
 
Man. Going through some of these posts are very entertaining. Lot of comrades were big time wrong
Helps me to decipher who to respect and who is a complete fvcking idiot. Some of them I already knew, but there’s some new ones.

Spencer York. lol. What a fvcking idiot.
 
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Helps me to decipher who to respect and who is a complete fvcking idiot. Some of them I already knew, but there’s some new ones.

Spencer York. lol. What a fvcking idiot.
@Spencer_York is not a bad guy, he just got blinded by his own bias like the rest of us often do.

As an added tidbit, the much maligned (in this thread) Atlas Intel was perhaps the most accurate in this election.

Moreover, the so-called Polymarket whale was indeed one guy, named Théo, who made four bets using four different accounts. Turns out, he's not just some whack-job, but a serous analytic thinker. He saw the mainstream polls and surmised they were still getting it all wrong. He went to polls the rely heavily on "neighbor polling"--that is, asking respondents "who do you think your neighbor will vote for?". This allows the respondent to project their vote on their neighbor and avoid the respondent fear error. Anyway, our 'whale', Théo, bet not just that Trump would win, but that he'd also win the popular vote. He walked away with a cool 46-million-dollar payday on his 30-million-dollar bet. Oh yeah, it was all in crypto and therefore TAX FREE. My man.
 
Of course not. That dude is a world class loser.
Many of these posts are equivalent to Junior High School arguments with name calling and cliques that Trump epitomizes. Civility seems to have jumped off the rails with much of today's society and the power of social media to enrage participants and distort views in a world facing potentially catastrophic problems. We all have opinions shaped throughout our lives from birth.

Hearing comments like - so in so lives in his own head - seems puzzling to me. Is that not true for all of us unless we are brain dead?
 
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Many of these posts are equivalent to Junior High School arguments with name calling and cliques that Trump epitomizes. Civility seems to have jumped off the rails with much of today's society and the power of social media to enrage participants and distort views in a world facing potentially catastrophic problems. We all have opinions shaped throughout our lives from birth.

Hearing comments like - so in so lives in his own head - seems puzzling to me. Is that not true for all of us unless we are brain dead?
Today's society? What little civility that remained in our society ended with social media. Neither side can claim victory in this argument.
 
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Today's society? What little civility that remained in our society ended with social media. Neither side can claim victory in this argument.
Totally agree.
Today's society? What little civility that remained in our society ended with social media. Neither side can claim victory in this argument.

 
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Totally agree.

Interesting article. If you are into books about the science of the way we think and the nuances of intuitive deduction, "Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow" is an excellent book. It's surprisingly easy to read for an otherwise weighty topic.

In this book, the author describes reason as hard (thinking slow); and intuition as easy (thinking fast). Intuition is what you are using when I ask you, what is 2 +2? You don't 'reason' your way to the solution, you know it intuitively (that is, by instinct). Conversely, if I ask you, what is 7,396 / 2,800,067, you are probably going to decline to play along any further. This is because you will be required to break the problem down and reason your way to the solution, and reason often requires too much brain power--or at least more than most are willing to expend for little or nothing in return.
 
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