Levon Kirkland is now a meme...and it's pretty funny

[tboonpickens]

So is it racist if a black kid paints his or her face white for Halloween?

Depends. Is he doing it in a country where white people used to be slaves, were hanged from trees for being white, had Jim Crow laws put in place to keep white people in check, had to fight for the right to go to school and vote alongside other citizens, etc?

 

[wvatiger13]

@Cris_Ard please take this political/whatever BS off of this board and place it where it should be, next door. I don't pay to see this political BS. I know where to find it if I so desire.

Amen @Cris_Ard , this board needs to get cleaned up. In an election year this place is gonna get messy if not. Take it to P&R board geez.

P.S. I’ll even volunteer to be a mod.

 

[GilaMonsta]

So is it racist if a black kid paints his or her face white for Halloween?

Do black people have a long history denigrating white people in the same way that whites did blacks? Again, as I said in the previous post, you can have the purest of intentions. Doesn't take away from how it's going to be viewed. It absolutely does not make any kid racist for doing that, white or black. And obviously if some white kid did that on their own, nobody is coming at them with pitchforks. But it is a simple opportunity to educate them on the historical impact of it all and advise them not to do it again.

That is where I think these discussions break down the most. So many people remove themselves from that simple opportunity to be informed or gain perspective. Which would ultimately result in society moving much faster. However, they are too busy trying to convince everyone they aren't racist. Or they would rather just not address it at all, which doesn't help. Case in point, Amy and others throughout this thread.

It could have easily just been a response of, "I didn't realize that kind of history existed", or "I wasn't aware of this sort of things full impact. I'll try to be more cognizant of that going forward even though I don't really think this M. Obama joke was actually coming from that angle."

Instead there was immediate push back and denial that there is any problem at all. Too many people like @amynhop want people to stop dwelling on historical racism for all the wrong reasons.

 

[trich24]

Aside from the obvious racial undertones, this is a terrible joke that doesn’t make any sense.

 

[GilaMonsta]

so the original poster is 100 years old? and has a history of virulent and targeted racism for his entire 100 years? or are you assuming his race...and then applying a historical stereotype based on your ignorance of his race = cause that would actually be racist.

Let's not pretend that the historical ramifications of the past, don't still effect and apply to us today, even if we weren't directly involved. It's funny people never try this argument with Nazi stuff. No one would ever say, "Don't judge that dude for his swastika tattoo, he just liked the geometric shape of it. It's not like he was born back then anyway."

And I never assumed his race. You don't have to be a specific to have done anything noted in this thread.

 

[Overwatch]

Let's not pretend that the historical ramifications of the past, don't still effect and apply to us today, even if we weren't directly involved. It's funny people never try this argument with Nazi stuff. No one would ever say, "Don't judge that dude for his swastika tattoo, he just liked the geometric shape of it. It's not like he was born back then anyway."

And I never assumed his race. You don't have to be a specific to have done anything noted in this thread.

The problem is not that history doesn’t have ramifications today (it obviously does and always will for eternity) but rather how long we allow things that happened in the past to dictate how we respond to events today; furthermore, nobody outside of nazis think nazism was or is a good thing and yet many people would like to paint all whites in this country as being racist simply by virtue of them having been born here.

People aren’t being judged for having certain tattoos, they’re being judged for the color of their skin (which has a term I believe).

 

[clmtigr1]

If you’re married and have children will you be posting photos of your wife when she was pregnant or are we safe to assume you’re banging a tranny? Thanks in advance!

I have 5 kids thanks. Happy to post photos of my wife pregnant.

 

[Matt Laurer]

I have 5 kids thanks. Happy to post photos of my wife pregnant.

I don’t care if you do or not but if you don’t I guess we have to assume you’re a tranny lover. No my logic by the way

 

[clemsonu96]

There's a search bar that lets you filter by name. Tillman + amynhop. Took five seconds.

So, you remember what she said about Tillman Hall that long ago? You knew to reference that?

 

[GilaMonsta]

The problem is not that history doesn’t have ramifications today (it obviously does and always will for eternity) but rather how long we allow things that happened in the past to dictate how we respond to events today; furthermore, nobody outside of nazis think nazism was or is a good thing and yet many people would like to paint all whites in this country as being racist simply by virtue of them having been born here.

People aren’t being judged for having certain tattoos, they’re being judged for the color of their skin (which has a term I believe).

Well how long do you think is an appropriate time? It's not as if there aren't millions upon millions of people still alive today that lived through the exact era being discussed in this thread.


There are PLENTY of people who are affectionate towards Nazi ideologies and symbolisms across the US and the world today. Nobody in this thread from what I have seen is attempting to broad stroke white people as all being racist because of they are, so I'm not sure why that even needs to be brought up in the context of this thread as a whole or anything that I specifically have stated.

 

[GilaMonsta]

So, you remember what she said about Tillman Hall that long ago? You knew to reference that?

I read her message in this thread and took a wild guess that she had the stance on Tillman that she did.

I don't think it takes a genius to put those pieces together.

 

[clmtigr1]

I don’t care if you do or not but if you don’t I guess we have to assume you’re a tranny lover. No my logic by the way

Matt. Laurer!!

 

[Overwatch]

Well how long do you think is an appropriate time? It's not as if there aren't millions upon millions of people still alive today that lived through the exact era being discussed in this thread.


There are PLENTY of people who are affectionate towards Nazi ideologies and symbolisms across the US and the world today. Nobody in this thread from what I have seen is attempting to broad stroke white people as all being racist because of they are, so I'm not sure why that even needs to be brought up in the context of this thread as a whole or anything that I specifically have stated.

Fair enough. Maybe I misinterpreted some of these posters‘ intent.

Regarding your question, who knows? But this stoking of racial flames around the country isn't organic imo and only serves to prolong and exacerbate the problem. It’s almost as if there is a coordinated attempt to keep us divided and distracted while others steal from the citizenry.

 

[trich24]

No pictures of her “pregnant” exist.

Some of y’all are so weird and easily manipulated.

 

[ryanhaley]

Let's not pretend that the historical ramifications of the past, don't still effect and apply to us today, even if we weren't directly involved. It's funny people never try this argument with Nazi stuff. No one would ever say, "Don't judge that dude for his swastika tattoo, he just liked the geometric shape of it. It's not like he was born back then anyway."

And I never assumed his race. You don't have to be a specific to have done anything noted in this thread.

so a football player meme = a swastika? take your intellectually lazy crap else where. this is so lame and = racist.

 

[clmtigr1]

Some of y’all are so weird and easily manipulated.

So it’s impossible it’s a tranny?

 

[GilaMonsta]

so a football player meme = a swastika? take your intellectually lazy crap else where. this is so lame and = racist.

Lol, that couldn't be more of misapplication of why said that. Any conversation I'm in stopped talking about the original meme after my own first post. That point was made it reference to something completely different. Try reading the enter thing before responding next time.

 

[gardentiger]

not funny at all. racist and gross. i doubt he would find the humor in it.

He-meaning Michael?

 

[gardentiger]

everything is racist

When everything is racist nothing is racist.

 

[GilaMonsta]

Fair enough. Maybe I misinterpreted some of these posters‘ intent.

Regarding your question, who knows? But this stoking of racial flames around the country isn't organic imo and only serves to prolong and exacerbate the problem. It’s almost as if there is a coordinated attempt to keep us divided and distracted while others steal from the citizenry.

I guess my response to that is what change of this magnitude does feel organic at the time? Particularly to those resistant to that change (not saying you are).

I'd also argue that in times like this there will always be extremist on both sides of the equation whether their core intent is morally just or not. The KKK is probably an easy to identify example. The black Panthers are another. Most people in life fall somewhere close to the middle no matter what you see in the news, however. I'm a huge believer in the law of averages in everyday life, which I've discussed in other threads. And in order to move the needle to were it should it be anything in life, you cannot simply stand at that marker point. You have to go beyond, and eventually things will settle where you want them. I'm not at all saying I agree with whatever extremist action you have in your head as you read this. But am saying in a negotiation deal you don't ask for the actual amount you want right off the batm you go higher or you're going to lose.

 

[GilaMonsta]

Circling back to the original OP.

It is wholly possible to do or say something that is rooted in racism and be called out for it, without actually being accused or labeled as a racist. That is something I think many people could benefit from understanding.

 

[ryanhaley]

Circling back to the original OP.

It is wholly possible to do or say something that is rooted in racism and be called out for it, without actually being accused or labeled as a racist. That is something I think many people could benefit from understanding.

understand that you are the racist. that's something I think you can benefit from understanding. be kind, not racist.....give it a shot.

 

[GilaMonsta]

understand that you are the racist. that's something I think you can benefit from understanding. be kind, not racist.....give it a shot.

Lol please point out where I have been at all racist in this thread or unkind to anyone.

 

[clemsonu96]

I read her message in this thread and took a wild guess that she had the stance on Tillman that she did.

I don't think it takes a genius to put those pieces together.

I agree. That takes a psychic.

 

[GilaMonsta]

I agree. That takes a psychic.

I don't think know actually know what a psychic is then, but ok.

 

[ryanhaley]

Lol please point out where I have been at all racist in this thread or unkind to anyone.

already did. so just be kind, and not a racist. it's not hard...start with this....don't look at everything through the context of race. cause doing so makes.....wait for it...if you apply the context of race to everything......are you ready......a racist. shocker, I know.

 

[GilaMonsta]

already did. so just be kind, and not a racist. it's not hard...start with this....don't look at everything through the context of race. cause doing so makes.....wait for it...if you apply the context of race to everything......are you ready......a racist. shocker, I know.

You absolutely did not. And as I said before you completely misapplied my previous post above. To which you curiously never bothered responding to.

Yet you skipped right to a post where I'm actively insinuating that OP's meme doesn't automatically make racist even though the meme itself could be taken that way. To tell me I'm looking at everything as racist. Okie dokie.

 

[Overwatch]

I guess my response to that is what change of this magnitude does feel organic at the time? Particularly to those resistant to that change (not saying you are).

I'd also argue that in times like this there will always be extremist on both sides of the equation whether their core intent is morally just or not. The KKK is probably an easy to identify example. The black Panthers are another. Most people in life fall somewhere close to the middle no matter what you see in the news, however. I'm a huge believer in the law of averages in everyday life, which I've discussed in other threads. And in order to move the needle to were it should it be anything in life, you cannot simply stand at that marker point. You have to go beyond, and eventually things will settle where you want them. I'm not at all saying I agree with whatever extremist action you have in your head as you read this. But am saying in a negotiation deal you don't ask for the actual amount you want right off the batm you go higher or you're going to lose.

I‘m not sure I understand the analogy of negotiating for an amount (presumably money or something with monetary value) with wanting to have an open and honest dialogue about what is deemed racist.

 

[iceheart08]

Again…there is no civil disagreement on this board without attacks. You can quote me, mention me and insult me but I have better things to do than be a part of this toxic nonsense. I am out of this thread and will take another break from this place. Be kind, people.

You should know that we have civil disagreement all the time about normal things.

And to close your post suggesting that people should be kind, while you argue strenuously that calling Michele Obama an ugly man isn't racism, is something.

 

[cyclotiger]

Must be an election year

 

[kidmike41]

What I'm telling you is, don't have a 100 year history of virulent and targeted racism, and then just expect everyone to forget about it and move on, but only on your terms.

So who gets to set the terms? Being offended is not racism.

 

[ryanhaley]

You absolutely did not. And as I said before you completely misapplied my previous post above. To which you curiously never bothered responding to.

Yet you skipped right to a post where I'm actively insinuating that OP's meme doesn't automatically make racist even though the meme itself could be taken that way. To tell me I'm looking at everything as racist. Okie dokie.

I'm good. you are a racist. I'll go on with my life and find a way to succeed in spite of racists like you.

 

[Dungeon09]

Let's not pretend that the historical ramifications of the past, don't still effect and apply to us today, even if we weren't directly involved. It's funny people never try this argument with Nazi stuff. No one would ever say, "Don't judge that dude for his swastika tattoo, he just liked the geometric shape of it. It's not like he was born back then anyway."

And I never assumed his race. You don't have to be a specific to have done anything noted in this thread.

Unfortunately, there are people who do this with Nazi tattoos.

 

[trich24]

So it’s impossible it’s a tranny?

About as likely as your wife being one…

 

[Dungeon09]

how long we allow things that happened in the past to dictate how we respond to events today;

I’ve got a neighbor and a city councilwoman who both got severe beatings as adults from a white mob during a sit-in for equal voting rights. It wasn’t that long ago.

 

[Dungeon09]

I'm good. you are a racist. I'll go on with my life and find a way to succeed in spite of racists like you.

You’re definitely THE racist man

 

[yoshi121374]

So, you remember what she said about Tillman Hall that long ago? You knew to reference that?

In all fairness @amynhop has a long history of astoundingly bad takes on this board. She is notorious for claiming to be a brain surgeon as well as her racist takes and Trump love. I remember many of her nutso takes.

 

[clemsonu96]

In all fairness @amynhop has a long history of astoundingly bad takes on this board. She is notorious for claiming to be a brain surgeon as well as her racist takes and Trump love. I remember many of her nutso takes.

All due respect, I am aware of @amynhop and her history. While some might disagree with some of her posts, overall I find her to be a kind person. That is my experience. More importantly, I'm a big believer in letting people have their own opinions. Might be just me, but we are still in America despite the fact that some ITT might be repulsed by it and still nip pick it to death.

I just thought the argument in this thread was pretty petty in comparison to the much bigger problems that are going on in the world, such as, the two candidates that are running for president. Finally, saying things like "long history" and "astoundingly bad takes" are your opinion. I wouldn't state them as fact.

 

[yoshi121374]

All due respect, I am aware of @amynhop and her history. While some might disagree with some of her posts, overall I find her to be a kind person. That is my experience. More importantly, I'm a big believer in letting people have their own opinions. Might be just me, but we are still in America despite the fact that some ITT might be repulsed by it and still nip pick it to death.

I just thought the argument in this thread was pretty petty in comparison to the much bigger problems that are going on in the world, such as, the two candidates that are running for president. Finally, saying things like "long history" and "astoundingly bad takes" are your opinion. I wouldn't state them as fact.

Fair points. Just pointing out that she's hardly an anonymous poster and many are aware of her previous posts.

 

[GilaMonsta]

So who gets to set the terms? Being offended is not racism.

Well what you're saying doesn't really go against what I've been saying in this thread, IMO.

From the start, once people started pointing out the racist undertones of OP's. I simply pointed out that there is in fact historical basis for people attributing to race having anything to do with that post. And again, that doesn't mean OP is racist just because he posted that. But I see nothing wrong with sighting the historical racial context that has often been associated with black women comparisons like this for years. I don't think there's anything to really debate about the shadow that the historical aspect of it casts over the meme. Whether you feel this specific instance actually had direct intent on being racist or not.

And I think that is the piece that often gets lost in translation. I don't see anything wrong with someone pointing out that maybe this is in poor taste due to that historically racist shadow. While not actually calling the person that posted it racist without any further evidence pointing to that.

There's no easy answer to what's right and what's wrong. What's acceptable and what's not acceptable. But to try and completely dismiss this sort of thing everytime because you fear being labeled a racist, or getting canceled, or losing your way of life is not the answer IMO. Open ended discussion and understanding is.