Mandatory Vaccine for kids...

[Jwilliamsiii]

Scary stuff

17-year-old diagnosed with heart condition after receiving COVID vaccine, father tells 'Fox & Friends'

A 17-year-old student who received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine in order to attend school and play soccer was diagnosed with heart issues soon after the shot, his father explained Tuesday on "Fox & Friends."

www.foxnews.com

 

[tothmaster]

Scary stuff

17-year-old diagnosed with heart condition after receiving COVID vaccine, father tells 'Fox & Friends'

A 17-year-old student who received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine in order to attend school and play soccer was diagnosed with heart issues soon after the shot, his father explained Tuesday on "Fox & Friends."

www.foxnews.com

Fear mongering. Nothing here scientifically linking this to the vaccine. News about Athletes having heart issues every summer.

 

[DeathValley_13]

The vax is safe they said........

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

@tothmaster https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...accine-dose-enough-for-young-teens-670956/amp

“The Health Ministry concluded earlier this month that there is a possible link between the second COVID-19 vaccine dose and the onset of myocarditis among young men aged 16 to 30. The link was found to be even stronger in the younger age group of 16- to 19-year-olds.”

 

[okclem]

I'd say I'm sure there's two sides to every Fox News story, the fox News side and then the truth. But I doubt anyone is even bothering to scrutinize fox News anymore.

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

Scary stuff

17-year-old diagnosed with heart condition after receiving COVID vaccine, father tells 'Fox & Friends'

A 17-year-old student who received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine in order to attend school and play soccer was diagnosed with heart issues soon after the shot, his father explained Tuesday on "Fox & Friends."

www.foxnews.com

I was diagnosed with high blood pressure the day after I went for a long run. Doesn't mean there is causation. And if there was causation, it doesn't mean that it is at all a statistic probability.

 

[CUFam98]

@tothmaster https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...accine-dose-enough-for-young-teens-670956/amp

“The Health Ministry concluded earlier this month that there is a possible link between the second COVID-19 vaccine dose and the onset of myocarditis among young men aged 16 to 30. The link was found to be even stronger in the younger age group of 16- to 19-year-olds.”

Uh, myocarditis was associated with having COVID (and associated with a number of viral infections). Myocarditis isn't chronic and usually goes away on its own, a few cases require medical treatment. So one would assume that myocarditis would be associated with a vaccine seeing as how the purpose of a vaccine is to stimulate a response by the body as if it is fighting a virus so that it is ready if it is exposed to the actual virus.

Myocarditis from a vaccine is like an injury in football practice. Sure, there is a chance that it is season ending but most are just bruises. Its not a reason not to practice.

 

[CUFam98]

These kooks have no idea what they are doing. You thought the Delta variant was the latest and greatest, but no, now we have the Lambda variant which is ravaging Peru and might be resistant to vaccines.

Maybe work on getting the current vaccines in shape with boosters, etc to cover the known variants before pushing it on kids. Biden should put some kind of temporary travel ban in place from South America, but he won’t.

I want the Tri-Lam variant

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Fear mongering. Nothing here scientifically linking this to the vaccine. News about Athletes having heart issues every summer.

Not only that, but we’re talking about a risk/reward calculation between vaccination and the virus, not just whether or not it’s possible that people could have adverse reactions to a vaccine.

On the risk side for not getting vaccinated, the virus is obviously less risky for most younger people than it is for older people. However, you could find many anecdotes about young people having very serious cases of COVID, or even dying. For the risk of getting vaccinated, the vaccines are very safe, but there are still minuscule chances that certain populations might have higher risk of adverse reactions.

On the reward side of getting vaccinated, you prevent the spread of disease, and you reduce the risk of getting a severe case and/or dying down to basically 0. I guess the reward of not getting vaccinated is you don’t have to worry about the very unlikely chance of a significant adverse reaction to the vaccine.

At any rate, this is something the FDA and CDC looks at before issuing authorizations and recommendations, respectively. We’ve seen that when they want to investigate a problem, they will pause the use of certain vaccines in order to better understand whether certain reactions might have something to do with the vaccines.

Also, let’s remember that requiring vaccinations for school or other participation isn’t uncommon at all. The Pfizer vaccine is likely to be fully FDA-approved by the fall, so you won’t be able to say it’s an “experimental vaccine” as a talking point against vaccination.

 

[harristeeter]

There is now a 3rd item you can’t discuss without someone getting upset:

- religion
- politics
- anything COVID related

 

[DeathValley_13]

I'd say I'm sure there's two sides to every Fox News story, the fox News side and then the truth. But I doubt anyone is even bothering to scrutinize fox News anymore.

There is plenty of info out there that isn't from Fox. You should read up a bit, or just assume the government tells you the truth.
.......same government that used to tell us weed made black people violent.

 

[Tiger Guru]

I'd say I'm sure there's two sides to every Fox News story, the fox News side and then the truth. But I doubt anyone is even bothering to scrutinize fox News anymore.

Blows my mind... At Least you know the left and their news is completely wacko. They dont hide from it. Fox on the other hand pretends to be on the "right" although they're the worse of any news. They pretend to be something they're not. There's not a single US news outlet that is on your TV that is right. Thats by design. If you want the real news, you have to dig and be a "conspiracy theorist". That's also by design.

 

[scartiger]

Not only that, but we’re talking about a risk/reward calculation between vaccination and the virus, not just whether or not it’s possible that people could have adverse reactions to a vaccine.

On the risk side for not getting vaccinated, the virus is obviously less risky for most younger people than it is for older people. However, you could find many anecdotes about young people having very serious cases of COVID, or even dying. For the risk of getting vaccinated, the vaccines are very safe, but there are still minuscule chances that certain populations might have higher risk of adverse reactions.

On the reward side of getting vaccinated, you prevent the spread of disease, and you reduce the risk of getting a severe case and/or dying down to basically 0. I guess the reward of not getting vaccinated is you don’t have to worry about the very unlikely chance of a significant adverse reaction to the vaccine.

At any rate, this is something the FDA and CDC looks at before issuing authorizations and recommendations, respectively. We’ve seen that when they want to investigate a problem, they will pause the use of certain vaccines in order to better understand whether certain reactions might have something to do with the vaccines.

Also, let’s remember that requiring vaccinations for school or other participation isn’t uncommon at all. The Pfizer vaccine is likely to be fully FDA-approved by the fall, so you won’t be able to say it’s an “experimental vaccine” as a talking point against vaccination.

LOL At Dr. Fauci handle on TI.

 

[CUFam98]

There is now a 3rd item you can’t discuss without someone getting upset:

- religion
- politics
- anything COVID related

These days those might be actually be the same thing for some folks.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

These days those might be actually be the same thing for some folks.

A lot of people have become unhinged with their politicization of all of this

 

[grazhoppa]

Not only that, but we’re talking about a risk/reward calculation between vaccination and the virus, not just whether or not it’s possible that people could have adverse reactions to a vaccine.

On the risk side for not getting vaccinated, the virus is obviously less risky for most younger people than it is for older people. However, you could find many anecdotes about young people having very serious cases of COVID, or even dying. For the risk of getting vaccinated, the vaccines are very safe, but there are still minuscule chances that certain populations might have higher risk of adverse reactions.

On the reward side of getting vaccinated, you prevent the spread of disease, and you reduce the risk of getting a severe case and/or dying down to basically 0. I guess the reward of not getting vaccinated is you don’t have to worry about the very unlikely chance of a significant adverse reaction to the vaccine.

At any rate, this is something the FDA and CDC looks at before issuing authorizations and recommendations, respectively. We’ve seen that when they want to investigate a problem, they will pause the use of certain vaccines in order to better understand whether certain reactions might have something to do with the vaccines.

Also, let’s remember that requiring vaccinations for school or other participation isn’t uncommon at all. The Pfizer vaccine is likely to be fully FDA-approved by the fall, so you won’t be able to say it’s an “experimental vaccine” as a talking point against vaccination.

Children are often required to get vaccines for diseases which would be harmful to most children. Name a vaccination that is required for a disease that has a low chance of causing serious harm to children, that is only required to promote herd immunity that would only benefit other age groups for the most part.

 

[jimbob1019]

I'd say I'm sure there's two sides to every Fox News story, the fox News side and then the truth. But I doubt anyone is even bothering to scrutinize fox News anymore.

Says the guy that watches CNN….

 

[DeathValley_13]

Not only that, but we’re talking about a risk/reward calculation between vaccination and the virus, not just whether or not it’s possible that people could have adverse reactions to a vaccine.

On the risk side for not getting vaccinated, the virus is obviously less risky for most younger people than it is for older people. However, you could find many anecdotes about young people having very serious cases of COVID, or even dying. For the risk of getting vaccinated, the vaccines are very safe, but there are still minuscule chances that certain populations might have higher risk of adverse reactions.

On the reward side of getting vaccinated, you prevent the spread of disease, and you reduce the risk of getting a severe case and/or dying down to basically 0. I guess the reward of not getting vaccinated is you don’t have to worry about the very unlikely chance of a significant adverse reaction to the vaccine.

At any rate, this is something the FDA and CDC looks at before issuing authorizations and recommendations, respectively. We’ve seen that when they want to investigate a problem, they will pause the use of certain vaccines in order to better understand whether certain reactions might have something to do with the vaccines.

Also, let’s remember that requiring vaccinations for school or other participation isn’t uncommon at all. The Pfizer vaccine is likely to be fully FDA-approved by the fall, so you won’t be able to say it’s an “experimental vaccine” as a talking point against vaccination.

1. I have a greater chance of dying in a car crash than dying from Covid.
2.Big Pharma has complete immunity for these vaccines.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Children are often required to get vaccines for diseases which would be harmful to most children. Name a vaccination that is required for a disease that has a low chance of causing serious harm to children, that is only required to promote herd immunity.

My guess is that would be most of them, although we aren’t in the midst of yearlong pandemics for any of those diseases, either. For instance, VA requires vaccination for HPV and chickenpox. Measles isn’t particularly deadly in children, either.

 

[CUFever91]

There is now a 3rd item you can’t discuss without someone getting upset:

- religion
- politics
- anything COVID related

You forgot Elite 11!

 

[tothmaster]

@tothmaster https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...accine-dose-enough-for-young-teens-670956/amp

“The Health Ministry concluded earlier this month that there is a possible link between the second COVID-19 vaccine dose and the onset of myocarditis among young men aged 16 to 30. The link was found to be even stronger in the younger age group of 16- to 19-year-olds.”

I didn't read this, but it is very concerning to me what the article doesn't say. It doesn't say that any medical professional has linked this specific cardiac event to the vaccine.

So there is time proximity here, but you cannot run a national news story basically scaring people out of taking a vaccine (or scaring people who have taken it) without any actual science linking the cardiac event to the vaccine. It is irresponsible journalism and it is pushing an agenda.

I don't care what side of it you are on, people should want their news outlets to provide information that is based on vetted facts. Conservatives are more likely criticize people liberal lawyers (i.e. John Edwards) for being "ambulance chasers" or for suing doctors, nurses and hospitals or for suing products manufacturers for exactly this type of thing - trying to "blame" problems on something just because the two things happen to occur circumstantially in close time proximity.

I can tell you this kind of claim would never even make it into a courtroom in my state without a doctor certifying that the cardiac event was cased by the vaccine to reasonable medical certainty.

 

[Trading Tiger]

Not only that, but we’re talking about a risk/reward calculation between vaccination and the virus, not just whether or not it’s possible that people could have adverse reactions to a vaccine.

On the risk side for not getting vaccinated, the virus is obviously less risky for most younger people than it is for older people. However, you could find many anecdotes about young people having very serious cases of COVID, or even dying. For the risk of getting vaccinated, the vaccines are very safe, but there are still minuscule chances that certain populations might have higher risk of adverse reactions.

On the reward side of getting vaccinated, you prevent the spread of disease, and you reduce the risk of getting a severe case and/or dying down to basically 0. I guess the reward of not getting vaccinated is you don’t have to worry about the very unlikely chance of a significant adverse reaction to the vaccine.

At any rate, this is something the FDA and CDC looks at before issuing authorizations and recommendations, respectively. We’ve seen that when they want to investigate a problem, they will pause the use of certain vaccines in order to better understand whether certain reactions might have something to do with the vaccines.

Also, let’s remember that requiring vaccinations for school or other participation isn’t uncommon at all. The Pfizer vaccine is likely to be fully FDA-approved by the fall, so you won’t be able to say it’s an “experimental vaccine” as a talking point against vaccination.

Isn't the risk of death from covid already practically 0??

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

1. I have a greater chance of dying in a car crash than dying from Covid.
2.Big Pharma has complete immunity for these vaccines.

Big pharma has immunity for all vaccines. That’s nothing different here. Also, I’m not sure what “complete” means, since there is a no fault process for getting compensation from vaccine manufacturers.

As far as your risk from COVID goes, maybe you should compare that to your risk from being harmed by COVID vaccines. If you’re vaccinated, the risk of COVID is basically zero. But the risk of dying from COVID in the entire population, not just people who’ve actually got a case of COVID, is still much higher than the risk of having a severe adverse reaction to the vaccines. And the risk of having a severe case of COVID is much higher than the risk of death.

That’s not even getting into the fact that, even if you don’t care about your personal risk of Covid, we’ve still had this whole yearlong pandemic thing where we’ve had to deal with harsh public health measures. Getting vaccinated obviates the need for harsh public health measures by preventing the spread of disease.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Isn't the risk of death from covid already practically 0??

For children? Yeah, it’s very low. The risk from vaccines is even lower, and vaccines can prevent the spread of disease to more vulnerable populations, while also preventing the severe cases and deaths that do exist. But there’s a reason kids are the lowest priority group for vaccination, even if it’s still a good idea to do.

This piece, while it’s published by the NYT, is written by doctors. It’s behind a paywall and I can’t read most of it, but it compares risks from COVID to reward from vaccines. Seems like it would be interesting: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/04/opinion/covid-vaccine-kids-risks.html.

 

[DeathValley_13]

Big pharma has immunity for all vaccines. That’s nothing different here. Also, I’m not sure what “complete” means, since there is a no fault process for getting compensation from vaccine manufacturers.

As far as your risk from COVID goes, maybe you should compare that to your risk from being harmed by COVID vaccines. If you’re vaccinated, the risk of COVID is basically zero. But the risk of dying from COVID in the entire population, not just people who’ve actually got a case of COVID, is still much higher than the risk of having a severe adverse reaction to the vaccines. And the risk of having a severe case of COVID is much higher than the risk of death.

That’s not even getting into the fact that, even if you don’t care about your personal risk of Covid, we’ve still had this whole yearlong pandemic thing where we’ve had to deal with harsh public health measures. Getting vaccinated obviates the need for harsh public health measures by preventing the spread of disease.

You should go read up on the Prep act.

Where are you getting the risk is basically zero? The FDA and pharma haven't done enough studies to even tell us what the side effects are.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I didn't read this, but it is very concerning to me what the article doesn't say. It doesn't say that any medical professional has linked this specific cardiac event to the vaccine.

So there is time proximity here, but you cannot run a national news story basically scaring people out of taking a vaccine (or scaring people who have taken it) without any actual science linking the cardiac event to the vaccine. It is irresponsible journalism and it is pushing an agenda.

I don't care what side of it you are on, people should want their news outlets to provide information that is based on vetted facts. Conservatives are more likely criticize people liberal lawyers (i.e. John Edwards) for being "ambulance chasers" or for suing doctors, nurses and hospitals or for suing products manufacturers for exactly this type of thing - trying to "blame" problems on something just because the two things happen to occur circumstantially in close time proximity.

I can tell you this kind of claim would never even make it into a courtroom in my state without a doctor certifying that the cardiac event was cased by the vaccine to reasonable medical certainty.

It’s something worth investigating, which is why the CDC is looking into it. One thing we know is that it’s a very rare reaction, and it usually gets better quickly. So people should not be running with the idea that mRNA vaccines are likely to cause this, and they probably also shouldn’t be declaring that it’s impossible that it does, either. It’s pretty clear that some people really are hoping there’s some sort of problem, though.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination

Learn about myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. CDC still recommends that everyone aged 5 years and older get vaccinated. (142)

www.cdc.gov

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You should go read up on the Prep act.

Where are you getting the risk is basically zero? The FDA and pharma haven't done enough studies to even tell us what the side effects are.

Vaccine manufacturers haven’t had liability since the 80s. I don’t even think manufacturers are covered under the PREP Act, since they wouldn’t need to be because they’re already covered by previous law. This suggests the PREP Act is mostly about immunity for providers: https://www.networkforphl.org/resou...ability-protections-for-covid-19-vaccination/

These vaccines had to go through all the same trials all other vaccines go through, which is actually how we do know what the side effects are. You can go see them and their frequency on the FDA’s website.

We’ve also now had hundreds of millions vaccinated, so you’d think we’d see what the side effects were.

 

[Trading Tiger]

For children? Yeah, it’s very low. The risk from vaccines is even lower, and vaccines can prevent the spread of disease to more vulnerable populations, while also preventing the severe cases and deaths that do exist. But there’s a reason kids are the lowest priority group for vaccination, even if it’s still a good idea to do.

This piece, while it’s published by the NYT, is written by doctors. It’s behind a paywall and I can’t read most of it, but it compares risks from COVID to reward from vaccines. Seems like it would be interesting: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/04/opinion/covid-vaccine-kids-risks.html.

I was meaning people in general, regardless of age or gender. The figures I've seen, which very well could be biased which is why I'm asking here, show a mortality rate of around 0.25% at the upper end, or in other words, if you catch covid, you have a 99.75% of surviving.

I'm good with those odds, if they are accurate. I don't want or need to be messing around with my DNA, RNA, or mRNA. It could take years, even decades before we know the true effects of this type of vaccine.

 

[.Hank]

Children are often required to get vaccines for diseases which would be harmful to most children. Name a vaccination that is required for a disease that has a low chance of causing serious harm to children, that is only required to promote herd immunity that would only benefit other age groups for the most part.

Chickenpox is more serious for the average adult than for the average child.

 

[.Hank]

1. I have a greater chance of dying in a car crash than dying from Covid.
2.Big Pharma has complete immunity for these vaccines.

To 1, do you wear a seatbelt to reduce the likelihood of dying in a crash? Because that's kind of what the vaccine is like.

 

[funkbott]

 

[DeathValley_13]

Vaccine manufacturers haven’t had liability since the 80s. I don’t even think manufacturers are covered under the PREP Act, since they wouldn’t need to be because they’re already covered by

To 1, do you wear a seatbelt to reduce the likelihood of dying in a crash? Because that's kind of what the vaccine is like.

That's a nice spin.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I was meaning people in general, regardless of age or gender. The figures I've seen, which very well could be biased which is why I'm asking here, show a mortality rate of around 0.25% at the upper end, or in other words, if you catch covid, you have a 99.75% of surviving.

I'm good with those odds, if they are accurate. I don't want or need to be messing around with my DNA, RNA, or mRNA. It could take years, even decades before we know the true effects of this type of vaccine.

Again, your risk of being harmed by vaccines is much lower, even if looking at the risk of death for the entire population (not just the people who’ve even had Covid) versus just the population of people who’ve been vaccinated. The number you’re quoting is also an estimate of the fatality rate, not the fatality rate among confirmed cases. It’s still a pretty high number, especially for more at risk populations. That’s why, even if you’re not worried about your own health, it still makes sense to get vaccinated to reduce the spread of disease and to end the need for harsher public health measures.

You’re basically looking at a choice between relatively low risk from COVID plus the risk of spreading disease and further harsh public health measures, versus virtually no known risk from the vaccine. This stuff about “long term side effects” that only show up much later is totally speculative, and almost never happens with other other vaccines. We’re also more than a year past the first trials of the vaccines, and more than 8 months into a mass vaccination campaign where hundreds of millions have been vaccinated. We know that side effects almost always show up within two months of vaccination- so wouldn’t we have seen some of these hypothetical “long term side effects” of vaccines showing up?

 

[The tigerdoc]

Blows my mind... At Least you know the left and their news is completely wacko. They dont hide from it. Fox on the other hand pretends to be on the "right" although they're the worse of any news. They pretend to be something they're not. There's not a single US news outlet that is on your TV that is right. Thats by design. If you want the real news, you have to dig and be a "conspiracy theorist". That's also by design.

Are these the same conspiracy theorist that said Russia/Trump collusion was bogus and that COVID 19 came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology? Just checking

 

[Willence]

Kids don't need the vaccine. There are a lot of unknowns with the vaccine. I personally consider forcing a child or young person to get the vaccine to be child abuse. What's going on is insane!

 

[.Hank]

That's a nice spin.

Not really spin. In that specific case, there would be similarities. Two not likely scenarios, where each precaution makes it even less likely.

 

[nytigerfan]

Scary stuff

17-year-old diagnosed with heart condition after receiving COVID vaccine, father tells 'Fox & Friends'

A 17-year-old student who received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine in order to attend school and play soccer was diagnosed with heart issues soon after the shot, his father explained Tuesday on "Fox & Friends."

www.foxnews.com

Vaccines = good. My buddy is USDEA and lives in Sydney Australia, they are in full lockdown again b/c the country has a 4% vaccination rate.

 

[dickerj]

That's a nice spin.

No, it isn't. There are a lot of people that whine about seatbelts and claim that they do more harm than good.

 

[PawsFan_]

Says the guy that watches CNN….

MSNBC

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

No, it isn't. There are a lot of people that whine about seatbelts and claim that they do more harm than good.

The irony here is that the potential moral hazard of seat belts is that they give people a false sense of security that leads to more unsafe driving behavior. What's the moral hazard of vaccines? That you'll go about your daily life?