Mandatory Vaccine for kids...
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Where did I say listen to politicians for vaccine advice? The science is showing that antibodies from having the virus is not as strong as the vaccine and doesn't protect as well from variants being formed either.
The more people who get the vaccine, the less variants and the longer this virus stays suppressed.
Vaccinated Israeli Student Catches COVID from Vaccinated Relative and Then Infects 83 High School Students -- But Please Take your Vaccines! | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
A vaccinated Israeli student infected 83 classmates after catching COVID-19 from a vaccinated relative.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Your politicization of all this is very strange. I can assure you that I’ve “done my research” by doing things like paying attention to the people who actually did the research and are responsible for translating its conclusions into action. Up until about a month ago, I was on weekly calls with the CDC and talked with the chief state epidemiologist in Illinois frequently. Maybe that’s one reason why “my research” doesn’t include random people on Twitter who seem to want to believe anything except official guidance.
Not a whole lot of trust in the CDC and local officials these days if I'm going to be honest and I'm one of them. I was always a skeptic but I totally lost faith when they seemed to come out of the blue and say "yep no masks now friends!" without any supporting evidence as to why.
Thanks Doc. You don't know crap about "the science" - whatever that is. There are a gazillion scientists and so-called experts on this subject with all differing opinions on this non-FDA approved vaccine that is supposed to save the world. It has also been shown, scientifically, to have significant side-effects for some who take it and that includes several people I know. I've had Covid and I still have the anti-bodies and you want to tell me that science proves I'm not protected enough? LOL. I guess this virus will be suppressed just like the flu, right? Just stop with your non-sense and feel good that you are protected and quit worrying about what other people do. It's none of your damn business.
But's that not what the CDC said. They said no masks if you are vaccinated which makes total sense.
COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista
Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.
www.statista.com
Let me help you out. Just as an example, the above link shows very clearly that the risk of death for this virus is extremely low for children and for anyone under 50. And for those age 75 and older, the deaths are 1 1/2 times greater than all the other age groups combined. The 591,000 total deaths represent less than 2/10 of 1% of the total population.
Now who is being political? What science or research are you listening to that warrants anything close to the pandemonium surrounding this "killer virus" for the last 18 months?
Didn’t they wait until a study was completed showing vaccines prevented the spread of the virus?
Here’s the science that convinced the CDC to lift mask mandates
The decision was guided by scientific evidence that the vaccines have played a major role in curbing both infections and transmission of the virus.
www.nbcnews.com
just so i'm clear, 600k deaths doesn't rly mean shit to you since it's less than 1% of the population and the vast majority are elderly people?COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista
Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.
Let me help you out. Just as an example, the above link shows very clearly that the risk of death for this virus is extremely low for children and for anyone under 50. And for those age 75 and older, the deaths are 1 1/2 times greater than all the other age groups combined. The 591,000 total deaths represent less than 2/10 of 1% of the total population.
Now who is being political? What science or research are you listening to that warrants anything close to the pandemonium surrounding this "killer virus" for the last 18 months?
This is incorrect regarding the vaccine being better than natural immunity.
I had covid ... i have had antibody tests and I remain strongly resistant ... I am healthy. Why in the world would I want to get a vaccine for shits and giggles? My physician - like many others - has advised against getting the vaccine and many others say the same. The CDC sucks and they do not even recognize natural immunity which shows it it just political motivation.
The Cleveland clinic study shows the vaccine and having covid as being equally effective. Other studies show that natural immunity for covid is lasting 11 months (latest study) after infection.
Death and complications from getting covid from kids basically is non existent. Why to get a vaccine for shits and giggles when there is no risk and there is risk in getting the vaccine very clearly that is worse than covid.
There is no difference in getting the vaccine and natural immunity other than the bad reactions to the vaccine.
Why does Fauci continue to say wear a mask when you have already been vaccinated? It is BS.Didn’t they wait until a study was completed showing vaccines prevented the spread of the virus?
Here’s the science that convinced the CDC to lift mask mandates
The decision was guided by scientific evidence that the vaccines have played a major role in curbing both infections and transmission of the virus.
There is no virologist who will deny that natural immunity is equal or better than vaccine immunity. The discussion of vaccinated vs unvaccinated (look at the own damn video) is politics and virtue signaling. "I will put a gold star on your badge for getting a vaccine because we are better than you who did not get a vaccine".
I am sick of it.
80% of those deaths are above 65 years of age and they average having at least 3 co-morbidities that are severe.
The average age of death in USA normally is 78 years. 60% of those deaths are above the median age of death in the USA. For many covid had little to do with the deaths - the statistics show they would have died anyway within a year otherwise.
Of course a year loss of life is terrible in our loved grand parents but the consequences of the policies and lockdowns can actually be worse for those who are younger in the long term.
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CNN may be guilty of story bias but the stories they do report are well vetted and have journalistic integrity for the most part. Fox is straight trash that panders to people who don't like reality.
Saying that CNN has so much more journalistic integrity than Fox or that one “panders to people who don’t like reality” more than the other is akin to someone arguing that Burger King is so much healthier than McDonalds… and the food quality at Burger King is light years better!
People need to recognize that they are both garbage.
Except that one does report on things that are real and the other doesn't. Just like the Republican party is no longer about conservatism but a slavish devotion to Trump and his fact-free election claims, Fox is no longer about the truth but as a confirmation outlet for those that believe his lies.
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I get the impulse behind ornery individualism. Nobody likes being told what to do, and they especially don’t like being told what to do by a bunch of egg heads with knowledge not everyone has access to. But pretty much every country around the world has gone through some extraordinary measures to stop or slow this virus down. They weren’t going to disrupt people’s lives and slow their economies down for no reason, and based on no evidence. I think it’s also important to realize that very few of us are really competent to judge the evidence on these matters. The best we can do is to know who’s reputable, and then to figure out prudent actions based on reputable evidence. Unfortunately, that means trusting authorities, and that we can’t be an authority unto ourselves. It’s kind of an interesting democratic problem, really.
It’s also important to recognize that you can’t have wholly individualistic public health campaigns where you just tell people it’s fine to believe and do whatever they want. Infectious diseases require community-wide responses, or they won’t work. That’s why it actually is other people’s business whether or not you get vaccinated.
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Fauci actually has said you don’t need to wear a mask if you’re vaccinated, and most recently has said the WHO’s guidance on masks doesn’t apply to the situation in the US. I’m not sure why you think he’s saying otherwise.
There are actually plenty of virologists and others studying this virus and the vaccines against it who will say that vaccine-provided immunity is more of a sure thing. That’s why the CDC recommends that people who’ve had COVID get vaccinated. I’m not sure what you think the upshot of recommending vaccination is for public health authorities if they know it makes no difference.
I don’t know if there’s solid proof of that being true, or if the issue is that they’re less sure about how natural immunity works than they are of vaccine-induced immunity. It’s pretty likely that natural immunity is robust, but vaccines can boost that immunity.
They’re free, they’re safe, and they’ll ensure you won’t be left out of anything, so the pushback on getting vaccinated from some people just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me apart from just being an ornery individualist. I recall a few of these same people on here acting like the push for flu vaccination was some sort of insult to their sovereignty, so I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise. But we didn’t have to go through all the crap we have gone through over the last year because of the flu.
No cause I'm not getting the vaccine. See if you use a little thought process Trump was in charge when it was developed and I'm still not getting it. Maybe you'll understand one day it's not Republican against Democrat it's us against the Government. Here's the story. Good luck.
ORWELL CITY: La Quinta Columna: '98% to 99% of the vaccination vial is graphene oxide'
El Gato al Agua, has given La Quinta Columna a space to comment on the vaccination vial analysis results. 98% to 99% of the vial is graphene oxide!
So you put more faith in this just released report on Spanish TV than you do in our own government agencies? I have no doubt that this will be found to be misleading, meanwhile we have another "patriot" jackass trying to discourage people from getting a vaccine that has proven to be effective and safe.
No cause I'm not getting the vaccine. See if you use a little thought process Trump was in charge when it was developed and I'm still not getting it. Maybe you'll understand one day it's not Republican against Democrat it's us against the Government. Here's the story. Good luck.
ORWELL CITY: La Quinta Columna: '98% to 99% of the vaccination vial is graphene oxide'
El Gato al Agua, has given La Quinta Columna a space to comment on the vaccination vial analysis results. 98% to 99% of the vial is graphene oxide!www.orwell.city
Destroying trust in the media, science, and government has left America vulnerable to disaster
Marc Hetherington and Jonathan Ladd write that the decades-long effort in the conservative movement to undermine trust in key institutions has come to a head in the COVID-19 crisis and the Trump administration's response.
www.brookings.edu
You are following this article for confirmation bias.No cause I'm not getting the vaccine. See if you use a little thought process Trump was in charge when it was developed and I'm still not getting it. Maybe you'll understand one day it's not Republican against Democrat it's us against the Government. Here's the story. Good luck.
ORWELL CITY: La Quinta Columna: '98% to 99% of the vaccination vial is graphene oxide'
El Gato al Agua, has given La Quinta Columna a space to comment on the vaccination vial analysis results. 98% to 99% of the vial is graphene oxide!
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One of the ironies of cynical anti-establishment attitudes is that they frequently lead people to believe things that are very unlikely to be true, just because they’ve found that mainstream sources are sometimes also untrustworthy. Instead of weighing relative trustworthiness, they just start to assume that the more outside of the mainstream, or the more something questions the mainstream, the more likely it is be true. It’s why so many of those people are attracted to conspiracy theories.
Until you look thru the microscope and see for yourself, you're in the same boat as everyone else. Just going by faith.
That and $7 won't even buy a cup of coffee because they would charge you extra. If you think this is about being anti-establishment, then you have a blind eye to what everyone has witnessed and a deaf ear to what everyone has been saying. It turns out that if the people pushing vaccines were a little bit more respectful of those who do not wish to take, then more people may get them. Needless to say, there are rational reasons not to get this vaccine.
Id say lowering the chance drastically of 600k people dying in a year from a virus is very much worth it.
There are ways you can quantify that. The best way for a vulnerable person to lower their risk is for themselves to limit their exposure to people who have been vaccinated and there are those who are doing that. Forcing others to take a vaccine is not right.
The safest and most effective way to lower risk of someone who is vulnerable is to take the vaccine.
This is an issue that affects society as a whole so unfortunately it is not a time to take a "worry about yourself" stance.
Not only is it less than 1%, it’s almost 1/10 of 1%. So to turn it to you, we should shut the country down and create a pandemonium reaction to something that afflicts about the same number of people (in terms of deaths) than deaths by texting while driving (about 400,000 per year). Look up the stats. Are you clear now or do you still need to be spoon-fed how to think rationally???
400k people a year dont die from texting while driving.
Anyone who wants to continue to claim that the 600k deaths are caused by covid does not get to discount any death or issue to anyone who got the vaccine. It is well documented that those numbers are inflated and used the kitchen sink criteria to inflate the numbers. Heck we know george floyd counts as one of those 600k.
so comparing anything to that number starts with gross inaccuracies.
and it is a fact that nobody has a clue what the midterm and long term effects of the vaccine is. May as well think vaping is perfectly healthy.
are you at risk of covid doing damage? Is the only question. If the risk of covid is greater than the risk of the vaccine then maybe you want to get it.
so comparing anything to that number starts with gross inaccuracies.
and it is a fact that nobody has a clue what the midterm and long term effects of the vaccine is. May as well think vaping is perfectly healthy.
are you at risk of covid doing damage? Is the only question. If the risk of covid is greater than the risk of the vaccine then maybe you want to get it.
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