Ahhh who knows, honestly. The only thing I know is the "TV news" is laughable. Well, I take that back. Its sad.
Mandatory Vaccine for kids...
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I'm not challenging you here, just curious. Do you have data you can point to that confirms the vaccine reduces rick of Covid death to zero?
There are breakthrough cases, including deaths, among vaccinated people. I was talking about the data from clinical trials, though.
CDC has some very incomplete data on breakthrough cases, but I don't really know what conclusions you could make from them. They do say that "no unexpected patterns have been identified in the case demographics or vaccine characteristics among people with reported vaccine breakthrough infections," so they don't seem to think these data are remarkable.
COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC
Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
I was meaning people in general, regardless of age or gender. The figures I've seen, which very well could be biased which is why I'm asking here, show a mortality rate of around 0.25% at the upper end, or in other words, if you catch covid, you have a 99.75% of surviving.
I'm good with those odds, if they are accurate. I don't want or need to be messing around with my DNA, RNA, or mRNA.
Yeah, but comparing the covid vaccine to other vaccines is like comparing the family, summer road trip to a trip to the moon. They're not similar at all except for the word "trip" and "vaccine". The way they work is completely different, completely unprecedented, and basically a big mystery.
I'm all for flu shots, you want to take a weakened/dead virus and inject it in me, so that my immune system will recognize it in the future, fine. But again, I'm not going to intentionally mess with my genetic material.
No, not even close.
If you want to compare wearing a seatbelt to wearing a mask, fine, but a seatbelt and a vaccine, nah, that's just silly.
I'd go with airbags. Kids that are too small don't need to sit in the front seat. Kind of like healthy kids don't need the vaccine.
Myocarditis cases in teens from the vaccine is a possibility and twice as likely than the blood clotting issue that stopped one of the vaccines temporarily. So, yes its true but usually mild and no long term effects. Still funny how it's kind of quiet on the news.
Swear, you could show somebody a red object on here but they say it's another color and fight you for it
Swear, you could show somebody a red object on here but they say it's another color and fight you for it
They do work somewhat differently, but not as differently as you're portraying things. It's not all a "big mystery," either, as we have data from clinical trials and now tons of real world data. I'm not an expert on this, but I haven't seen anybody who is suggesting that we should expect more and different problems from mRNA and adenovirus vector vaccines.
Do airbags go inside your body? Not if they work right, that's for sure. There are no valid automobile vs vaccine comparisons.
Unfortunately, it really is a big mystery. All that data you speak of, it's no more than a year old.
I want to know what the side effects will be in 10 years. You don't have that info, nor does anyone else. Until that info is available, I'm going to pass on the vaccine.
What I’m telling you is that the idea that there will be all these side effects in 10 years is pure speculation, and speculation about something that’s very unlikely according to everything we know. That’s why it sounds to me like people looking for a reason to have a problem with these vaccines.
I thought the risk of myocarditis was the entire reason why we almost didn't have a football season.
Seems like a lot of people think myocarditis is extremely serious.
And for many of us who had Covid, the symptoms many experience from the vaccine are worse than the actual virus. So the vaccine is a personal choice and not a medical treatment to be imposed or forced on healthy people who have the anti-bodies just as those who have received the vaccine.
There is no equivalency. Get real. Fox News is straight propaganda. I'm not saying that competing networks don't push the envelope, get things wrong, or ever just straight up lie. But those instances are fairly infrequent. On fox News the entire business model is hot blonds telling Republicans that everyone is out to destroy everything they value.
Ftr, I think CNN is straight trash too. But it's not in the same trash stratosphere as fox News.
Dammit I'd gone like 2 months without getting into one of these. Now I'm done again.
According to the VAERS data - I looked myself, there are over 5,000 deaths and 35,000 severe outcomes [Life Threatening (6,526), permanent disabilities (5,233), and hospitalizations (22,360)]. That is a total of about 40,000 severe reactions that have been reported out of about 160 million (~0.025%). So it might be as high as twice that number. Fatality rates of people under 50 are less than that. Maybe more vaccination
Fatality rate from the vaccine is about 0.0031% which is higher than COVID fatality rates for those under 35.
An long term effects have not been assessed yet.
If you had COVID, I definitely would not get a vaccine yet. If you are under 35, I would not get it yet. It is questionable if you should get it if you are below 50. Certainly older people or those with significant health issues should get it.
Just checking but 186 million are fully vaccinated now but not much difference in the numbers.
Look for yourself: https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html
Fatality rate from the vaccine is about 0.0031% which is higher than COVID fatality rates for those under 35.
An long term effects have not been assessed yet.
If you had COVID, I definitely would not get a vaccine yet. If you are under 35, I would not get it yet. It is questionable if you should get it if you are below 50. Certainly older people or those with significant health issues should get it.
Just checking but 186 million are fully vaccinated now but not much difference in the numbers.
Look for yourself: https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html
My two teenage daughters have had the vaccine. my youngest is a competitive cheerleader and she could whip half of you on this board. 5 feet and 110 but muscle on top of muscle. It is difficult to hear of those who have issues but the majority have had none. i can rest easy knowing they are protected from this crap.
It was at the time. Then others not named Big 10 and Pac 12 actually looked at the numbers. All professional leagues and all P5 conferences eventually dropped the cardiac return to play protocols except for those with severe cases and/or a cardiac history.
This is simply a wrong interpretation of VAERS data. Those numbers don't reflect people who died because they were vaccinated, or people who had severe reactions to the vaccine. It's just all reported incidents and deaths. They don't even determine whether they had anything to do with the vaccine.
Look for yourself: https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html
VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals." If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.
Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:
The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals." If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.
Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:
- Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
- Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
- The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
- VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
- VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
I beg to differ. “Your” news networks are just as bad. They straight up don’t report events that don’t fit their agenda, and twist what they do report to fit it. Now I’m sure you’re going to call me a racist or another insult because I disagree with your leftist ideology.
And the personal choice of some people will be not to let you participate in some things without being vaccinated. Unfortunately, the CDC and pretty much every other public health institution charged with making recommendations about vaccines disagrees with your personal take about who needs the vaccine.
I sent the same link in my post so I obviously read it). I have read many of the detailed reports with the majority of the reactions occurring within 4 days. So do not try to muddy the waters.
Even if my post is only 75% accurate, it remains relevant. Further, all reactions to the vaccine are not captured in VAERS. It is wrong that kids less than 25 are getting it and that is certain and a medical travesty.
Care to elaborate? Although, based on your misuse of VAERS, I'm not sure what to expect.
There's no fuking science what so ever in this where kids should have 2 be made 2 take this vaccine...Its a fact 2 date that the flu is more dangerous for kids and yet thru all the years the flu shot isn't mandatory for kids but yet they wanna just up and make this..As a father of a 9 year it pisses me off...The age limit is slowly coming down till it will be at his age..
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No - I think you cannot understand it - especially since you have not even looked at it yourself.
Which means what? That Australia, like the U.S., was fed a bunch of crap and closed down in a massive panic because of the media and radical left pushing their agenda? What is the death rate, hospitalization rate, etc? You know, real data, not your stupid hyperbole.
Such a stupid take. You can mindlessly fall in line like a zombie and do what all the politically correct institutions tell you to do. What do you expect the CDC to say? But how many times will Fauci and CDC and the so-called experts change their views? 6 ft? 3 ft? Masks don’t work! Now wear two or you are at risk!!
Look at the real data. Who is dying or being hospitalized due to Covid? Yes, of course there are thousands of cases but the stats for healthy people do not support the level of craziness being pushed on the general population.
Do your research. Don’t just regurgitate the crap from CNN piping in from your headphones while you sleep at night.
There is nothing on this earth that can be withheld from me, as a result of not getting a vaccine, that would force me to get a vaccine. If the human race was in jeopardy then I would do it.
Clemson is not requiring vaccines for students. Are you going to denounce the University and call them out? If not you and all those like you are complete hypocrites. Send tour kid to Michigan or Cal. Have fun with that.
Why are you afraid of the vaccine?
yep you nailed it buddy. The Australians shut down their economy because the radical left Americans wanted to get rid of trump. Now they have shut it down again because they are so worried about the size of Trump’s rallies that they are terrified that he will become president of the United states again.
Well, not anymore since it's primary cause is the vaccine and not the cerveza sickness.
You allowed your daughter to inject herself with what amounts to an experimental drug to protect herself from a virus that has essentially zero shot of causing her any harm. Congrats Dad
LOL. I’m not afraid of the vaccine. My immune system tells me I don’t need it and I’ve already had the virus. Why are you afraid to think for yourself?
What I am afraid of, however, is succumbing to stupid people who want to impose their will and their agenda on me and those who view their opinions as facts and then judge me when I don’t fall inline. I don’t judge anyone for getting the vaccine - it’s their choice. I choose not to so don’t judge me. I don’t go into nursing homes. If I felt sick I would stay home. If a place says wear a mask then I wear a mask. I gave blood 3 times since the pandemic started and I still have the antibodies so why should I allow some politician to tell me I need to get the vaccine?
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