Maybe a terrorist attack in Spain

[MoonlightGrahamCracker]

Yeah, they are a tad different since one group is sort of supporting the death of Jews, praising Hitler and supporting the holocaust. I am not saying BLM is wonderful. In fact, I am no fan of their tactics. But to equate the two is laughable. And if you dont believe me just ask many of the GOP senators like Rubio, Hatch, Gardner, Mccain, Graham and Corker who have all intimated the same (that the two are not morally equiv).

Agree... to put BLM on the other end of the spectrum as white nationalist groups is a logical problem based off the stated mission of BLM, and the peaceful protests under the umbrella of BLM throughout the country.

http://time.com/4413786/splc-black-lives-matter/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy

What a time to be alive.

 

[toolucky52384]

not enough, clearly.

i agree completely... i'm embarrassed the republican party embraced him, unfortunately there is so much money in politics that if anyone takes on their own party they will be primaried and primaried hard.

speaking of primaries... I do think the latest election not only highlights how polarized our country is, but how broken our primary system is. How is it possible that both parties elected persons with historic unfavorable ratings?

we need ranked preference voting in this country, in both primaries and general elections. When reasonable minds can't agree on a single solution it shouldn't provide an avenue for unreasonable minds to select the path.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

To someone who thinks the notion is completely baseless? No I don't care to explain it. No offense intended.

well i provided a number of examples and factors that would explain why people view the white supremacist movement as an indictment of conservatism, whereas you provided nothing to counter them. so baseless felt like a pretty appropriate adjective.

 

[Larry_Williams]

well i provided a number of examples and factors that would explain why people view the white supremacist movement as an indictment of conservatism, whereas you provided nothing to counter them. so baseless felt like a pretty appropriate adjective.

Are you aware that some of the leading conservative thinkers/voices (George Will, David Brooks, etc.) have been staunchly against Trump for quite some time now?

Are you aware that there are plenty of conservative politicians who have thought for some time now that Trump is a clown show and have not supported him?

If you want to say the white supremacist movement is an indictment of Trump's ideology, I can grasp that notion.

If you want to say it's an express product of general conservatism, I can't grasp it.

I don't mind taking part in respectful, constructive debate. You don't seem interested in that. No offense taken or intended, but I have better things to do.

And trust me, I'd say the same to someone on the other extreme who wants to argue that Antifa is just as bad as the Nazi losers.

Just not much interest in debating with either extreme. Hope you understand.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

Are you aware that some of the leading conservative thinkers/voices (George Will, David Brooks, etc.) have been staunchly against Trump for quite some time now?

Are you aware that there are plenty of conservative politicians who have thought for some time now that Trump is a clown show and have not supported him?

If you want to say the white supremacist movement is an indictment of Trump's ideology, I can grasp that notion.

If you want to say it's an express product of general conservatism, I can't grasp it.

I don't mind taking part in respectful, constructive debate. You don't seem interested in that. No offense taken or intended, but I have better things to do.

And trust me, I'd say the same to someone on the other extreme who wants to argue that Antifa is just as bad as the Nazi losers.

Just not much interest in debating with either extreme. Hope you understand.

i'm interested in constructive debate as well, which is why i provided concrete examples to prove my side of the argument. i was simply uninspired when you didn't care to explain your own logic or to dispel anything i said. at the least, you finally did some of that here.

yes, i'm aware that some conservative thinkers have come out against trump and that conservative politicians--many of whom are still voting in lockstep with trump's agenda--have expressed some hollow "concern" about him. that still doesn't dispute the frightening number of conservatives who still support the man. take this recent poll, for example, showing that 67% of republicans approved of trump's response.

 

[andcam]

i agree completely... i'm embarrassed the republican party embraced him, unfortunately there is so much money in politics that if anyone takes on their own party they will be primaried and primaried hard.

speaking of primaries... I do think the latest election not only highlights how polarized our country is, but how broken our primary system is. How is it possible that both parties elected persons with historic unfavorable ratings?

we need ranked preference voting in this country, in both primaries and general elections. When reasonable minds can't agree on a single solution it shouldn't provide an avenue for unreasonable minds to select the path.

Yeah, you make a great point. It seems like the primaries bring out the worst in each party instead of the most pragmatic, which is where I think the majority of the country is - ideology wise.

 

[andcam]

i'm interested in constructive debate as well, which is why i provided concrete examples to prove my side of the argument. i was simply uninspired when you didn't care to explain your own logic or to dispel anything i said. at the least, you finally did some of that here.

yes, i'm aware that some conservative thinkers have come out against trump and that conservative politicians--many of whom are still voting in lockstep with trump's agenda--have expressed some hollow "concern" about him. that still doesn't dispute the frightening number of conservatives who still support the man. take this recent poll, for example, showing that 67% of republicans approved of trump's response.

There is this problem - on both sides - where we will support bad candidates and bad behavior from our party nominee/standard bearer just to spite the other side. Somehow that needs to be rectified.

 

[hopefultiger13]

lol what a stilted comparison.

i don't remember liberals running a candidate for president who advocates and defends terrorism the way trump has the white nationalist movement.

this is just more "both sides equally bad" bullshit.

As one of the more liberal folks on this board (even though I'm a moderate), I think you missed the entire point @Larry_Williams was trying to make. I think Larry was comparing the political ideology of the left and right. Namely the big government, business regulation, freer immigration, and social programs that the left generally supports vs. the smaller government, free market, limited immigration, and fewer safety nets that the conservative folks espouse. You can run a country either way.

Larry's point is that the thought that somehow Terrorists are a result of liberal policies (instead of some really sick and twisted dudes), is crazy. Just as the thought that somehow White Supremacy is a result of conservative policies (instead of some really sick and twisted dudes), is crazy.

You can identity conservative people and liberal people as individuals who fit into these categories, but to associate the ideas themselves with it doesn't make a lot of sense. You might as well say brunets are terrorist and blonds are White Supremacists. You'd actually be right some of the time, but the reality is that hair color has nothing to do with it