Nashville shooting

[jakefest]

Can you provide data showing violence from the trans community is on the rise?

Given that the overwhelming majority of school shootings are perpetrated by straight white males, and 3 of the last 2k+ shootings where committed by members of the lgbtq community, I’d argue straight white males are the larger concern.

-The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.
- The Denver shooter identified as trans.
-The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.
-The Nashville shooter identified as trans.

Trans people make up 1m of the population.......that would indicate a rise, no?

 

[jakefest]

Are you doing the same kind of media auditing against RW news sources when attacks against the LGBTQ community occur? I don't remember seeing similar tweets following the Colorado club shooting last november or the Pulse nightclub shooting.

The Human Rights Campaign reports that 1 out of every 5 hate crimes and shootings committed in the US is done against the LGBTQ community. Do you think all the vitriol being spouted by the right has contributed at all to these attacks? If so, it would be nice to see you condemn that with the same intensity you condemn the left for their perceived faults.

I don't condone any violence against any group of people regardless of gender, sexual preference, race or religion and that includes christian children. You would be hard pressed to find a single post from me that suggests otherwise.

Read somewhere this morning that only 2 Transgender murders/deaths were the result of a hate crime. Don't have the energy to find the source but would seem your data would conflict with that statement. Not all murders are due to hate crimes, which I'm sure you're aware.

I have no clue what you're talking about.......I've been vocal about all violence, inclusive of black on black in urban cities, the Buffalo shooting, Uvalde etc and I've offered suggestions on what types of gun restrictions would pass. Not sure what else you want me to do.

 

[dpic73]

What isn’t clear about her post?

That post was from a year ago. How far back do you want to go in order to turn a thread about a mass shooting into another thread that depicts people who are different from you as terrorists? Haven't you hated enough already?

 

[jakefest]

That post was from a year ago. How far back do you want to go in order to turn a thread about a mass shooting into another thread that depicts people who are different from you as terrorists? Haven't you hated enough already?

Lori lied to her base and anyone else dumb enough to read anything she wrote.......how is that different than what you claim Trump did? How is what you wrote not an attempt to stir up violence?

I came into this thread after about 3 or 4 pages, the disagreements regarding motives was already there. Just helping you understand since you seem to be incapable of balance

 

[dpic73]

Lori lied to her base and anyone else dumb enough to read anything she wrote.......how is that different than what you claim Trump did? How is what you wrote not an attempt to stir up violence?

I came into this thread after about 3 or 4 pages, the disagreements regarding motives was already there. Just helping you understand since you seem to be incapable of balance

When I talk about Trump, I'm not talking about all corpulent orange septuagenarians - see the difference?

Remind me what happened after Lori said that? Was anyone listening? Did they commit acts of violence in her name or was it mostly ignored because they don't worship her like a deity?

 

[jakefest]

When I talk about Trump, I'm not talking about all corpulent orange septuagenarians - see the difference?

Remind me what happened after Lori said that? Was anyone listening? Did they commit acts of violence in her name or was it mostly ignored because they don't worship her like a deity?

Unhinged

 

[jakefest]

Sigh.....yet another example of the violent left.

 

[firegiver]

I have an 8, & 11yr old in a small private Christian school. (School size nor private/public matters here) This hit home, and I understand what you’re saying in some regards.

This is my idea how to fix this nonsense. We give billions to places like Ukraine, no?…

Arm every single school in the US with armed security guards. Depending on the size of the school will determine the number of guards. Let them all carry true assault rifles, pistols, etc.

I don’t want to hear a single word about the cost.

What happens when your security guards kill unarmed students on campus. Which will eventually. Mistook his candy bar for a gun pew pew. You are escalating the problem.

 

[firegiver]

I'm constantly amazed that the wealthiest members of our society get away with fooling themselves that they are under attack. Guys you've been slitting throats for generations. Blaming everyone but you for the problems and taking all the credit for anything that goes right.

 

[firegiver]

Bro, you're nuts and gaslighting. I for one, am not a Trumper but If I was, that would be ok too. I am conservative. I've had the same views since I was 18.

Stopped reading at 18?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Msm concerned about trans community. No mention at all of Christians.

Fear pervades trans community amid focus on Nashville shooter's gender identity

“We were already fearing for our lives. Now, it’s even worse,” one transgender advocate in the state said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TigerGrowls]

If you tell mentally ill kids that people disagreeing with them is "genocide," eventually they'll pick up weapons… - Revolver News

Why are so many trans women becoming mass shooters.

www.revolver.news

There is something very dark and evil brewing within the transgender community. As it stands now, the trans movement is plagued by confusion, mental illness, manipulation, and a demonic spirit that’s festering like a rancid boil. But things have gotten even worse, thanks to media, politicians, and celebrities who are pushing this notion that “disagreement” or “debate”on this controversial issue is somehow akin to literal “genocide” against trans people. This messaging has propelled this already disturbing movement into a whole new and violent direction.

 

[Jjh7]

There are fvcked up people in other civilized countries as well but they seem to have figured it out.

these countries you'd be referring to have been around far longer with established cultural expectations and norms that have not been corrupted by the "epiphany" that's happened here where parents now answer to children if they bother raising them at all. on a vastly more consistent basis they raise their kids with discipline and accountability in behavior and education. most also prioritize children being active and playing sports. still, that's being chipped away there gradually as well, and they have more violence than gets reported here.

they used to have after school clubs for shooting and never had any occur in schools when kids brought them. they weren't the problem then and they aren't the problem now. the problem is mental health and our refusal to call a spade a spade when it comes to someone suffering issues so we can feel accepting and empathetic. enabling is caring about yourself more than the person who needs help...people would rather tell themselves - and more importantly, be told - how great they are for accepting someone as they are rather than do the hard thing and tell them they need help.

 

[jakefest]

I'm constantly amazed that the wealthiest members of our society get away with fooling themselves that they are under attack. Guys you've been slitting throats for generations. Blaming everyone but you for the problems and taking all the credit for anything that goes right.

Lolz…..what?

 

[jakefest]

What happens when your security guards kill unarmed students on campus. Which will eventually. Mistook his candy bar for a gun pew pew. You are escalating the problem.

Why do politicians, celebrities, CEO’s etc get security details but everyone is so anti putting armed help in schools to protect the kids?

I do mentoring in urban high schools, some in really rough areas. There has never been a mass shooting in a predominantly minority school. Why? Because they are literally a fortress due to all of the gang violence in the 80’s, 90’s etc …….I don’t see you or anyone else on here showing concern for those kids.

 

[firegiver]

Why do politicians, celebrities, CEO’s etc get security details but everyone is so anti putting armed help in schools to protect the kids?

I do mentoring in urban high schools, some in really rough areas. There has never been a mass shooting in a predominantly minority school. Why? Because they are literally a fortress due to all of the gang violence in the 80’s, 90’s etc …….I don’t see you or anyone else on here showing concern for those kids.

Because ceos hire highly trained private mercenaries. The government trains police officers 6 weeks and gives them a badge and gun. Tubby, low intellect, low confidence former high school bullies are the likely demographic signing up to make 30k a year to wear a gun on school grounds. Over policing causes more problems than it solves.

 

[firegiver]

these countries you'd be referring to have been around far longer with established cultural expectations and norms that have not been corrupted by the "epiphany" that's happened here where parents now answer to children if they bother raising them at all. on a vastly more consistent basis they raise their kids with discipline and accountability in behavior and education. most also prioritize children being active and playing sports. still, that's being chipped away there gradually as well, and they have more violence than gets reported here.

they used to have after school clubs for shooting and never had any occur in schools when kids brought them. they weren't the problem then and they aren't the problem now. the problem is mental health and our refusal to call a spade a spade when it comes to someone suffering issues so we can feel accepting and empathetic. enabling is caring about yourself more than the person who needs help...people would rather tell themselves - and more importantly, be told - how great they are for accepting someone as they are rather than do the hard thing and tell them they need help.

Ummm... Canada?

 

[nytigerfan]

You should read the entire flow of the conversation before getting bent out of shape watching a clay travis video. He was there meeting with the owner of Jeni's Ice Cream, SBA Women's Business Summit, and their children. A little levity in a situation like that isn't the worst course of action.

Remarks by President Biden at the SBA Women's Business Summit | The White House

East Room 2:43 P.M. EDTTHE PRESIDENT: Thank you. My name is Joe Biden. (Laughter.) I'm Dr. Jill Biden's husband.

www.whitehouse.gov

@nmerritt11 - pro tip, this is why getting your news from twitter is not a good way to go through life.

 

[jakefest]

Yikes …..someone should shoot her

 

[nmerritt11]

@nmerritt11 - pro tip, this is why getting your news from twitter is not a good way to go through life.

I watched the whole clip...a reporter had to interrupt him and ask the question...I thought you were going to give statement on the Nashville shooting or something like that...

Also pro tip...shooter was not carrying 2 AK-47s. Also it was not an AR-15 like people are claiming because that is their agenda. It was two Kel Tec Sub2000

And again I ask: what is an assault weapon? I can beat the shit out of you with a baseball bat and it is an assault therefore an assault weapon. Tired of using these damn things to push their agenda when they have coined a phrase that makes zero sense

POTUS can't even get facts straight in a press conference.

 

[dpic73]

Yikes …..someone should shoot her

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You only follow the best Twitter accounts

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

What happens when your security guards kill unarmed students on campus. Which will eventually. Mistook his candy bar for a gun pew pew. You are escalating the problem.

I’m sorry.. Wut?

 

[dpic73]

I watched the whole clip...a reporter had to interrupt him and ask the question...I thought you were going to give statement on the Nashville shooting or something like that...

Also pro tip...shooter was not carrying 2 AK-47s. Also it was not an AR-15 like people are claiming because that is their agenda. It was two Kel Tec Sub2000

And again I ask: what is an assault weapon? I can beat the shit out of you with a baseball bat and it is an assault therefore an assault weapon. Tired of using these damn things to push their agenda when they have coined a phrase that makes zero sense

POTUS can't even get facts straight in a press conference.

WHAT ARE ASSAULT WEAPONS?​

"An “assault weapon” refers to a semi-automatic gun designed for military use and quick, efficient killing. Assault weapons are uniquely lethal because of their rapid rate of fire and high muzzle velocity — coupled with large-capacity magazines, which attach to an assault weapon to allow dozens of gunshots without needing to reload. A large-capacity magazine is typically defined as any magazine or drum that is capable of holding more than either 10 or 15 rounds of ammunition.
Military-style assault weapons and large-capacity magazines exist only to enact maximum destruction, and there’s simply no reason that everyday Americans need access to them.
In shootings where assault weapons or large-capacity magazines are used, 155 percent more people are shot, and 47 percent more people are killed."

https://www.bradyunited.org/fact-sheets/what-are-assault-weapons-and-high-capacity-magazines

 

[nmerritt11]

I’m sorry.. Wut?

it is amazing that here in Greenville County there have been armed police officers at schools for years and no kids have been shot by one. Simply freaking amazing isn't it

 

[nmerritt11]

WHAT ARE ASSAULT WEAPONS?​

"An “assault weapon” refers to a semi-automatic gun designed for military use and quick, efficient killing. Assault weapons are uniquely lethal because of their rapid rate of fire and high muzzle velocity — coupled with large-capacity magazines, which attach to an assault weapon to allow dozens of gunshots without needing to reload. A large-capacity magazine is typically defined as any magazine or drum that is capable of holding more than either 10 or 15 rounds of ammunition.
Military-style assault weapons and large-capacity magazines exist only to enact maximum destruction, and there’s simply no reason that everyday Americans need access to them.
In shootings where assault weapons or large-capacity magazines are used, 155 percent more people are shot, and 47 percent more people are killed."

https://www.bradyunited.org/fact-sheets/what-are-assault-weapons-and-high-capacity-magazines

OK so military uses all sorts of semi-automatic guns. So which ones are we banning?

Amazingly a semi-automatic gun, whether it looks scary or not, only fires as fast as the trigger puller.

It is a liberal term that they coined and ran with.

 

[Zero - One]

Collecting thoughts and prayers in lieu of solutions

My background to support my comments:

• USN Retired (2005). Specialty: Operations & Intelligence.
• Actively supporting US Military for the last 9 years for home.
• I’m also a Pastor – Outside the Church System. Independent.

Everything we see playing out is all part of a Worldwide PSYOP.

Per Wikipedia: Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

• PSYOP Events have been used by the Ruling Class to enter this Nation into all Wars going back at least until World War One.
• PSYOP Events have been used to manipulate the populace from the beginning of time: the snake in the Garden of Eden deceiving Adam and Eve.

STOP being a Pawn in ‘The Deep State PSYOP Game.’

The disciples asked Jesus what it would be like on the day of His return:
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, “Take heed that no man deceive you.”

We are living in a day of deception; even the things that are real have hidden motives & agendas attached. Nothing is what it appears to be, especially in politics and the media.

Pray for discernment. Challenge everything.

 

[dpic73]

OK so military uses all sorts of semi-automatic guns. So which ones are we banning?

Amazingly a semi-automatic gun, whether it looks scary or not, only fires as fast as the trigger puller.

It is a liberal term that they coined and ran with.

The definition looks pretty straightforward to me unless you're looking for a loophole not to ban a favorite toy.

It's just whataboutism to try and compare these weapons to a knife or a bat, but if you want a detailed list, the Assault weapons bill from 2013(voted down) gives a list in the attached. It strengthened the Assault Weapons ban from 2004-2014 that we know worked, so why not start here. Do you want to save lives or do you want to argue over what constitutes an assault weapon?

Assault Weapons Ban summary - United States Senator for California

www.feinstein.senate.gov

 

[nmerritt11]

The definition looks pretty straightforward to me unless you're looking for a loophole not to ban a favorite toy.

It's just whataboutism to try and compare these weapons to a knife or a bat, but if you want a detailed list, the Assault weapons bill from 2013(voted down) gives a list in the attached. It strengthened the Assault Weapons ban from 2004-2014 that we know worked, so why not start here. Do you want to save lives or do you want to argue over what constitutes an assault weapon?

Assault Weapons Ban summary - United States Senator for California

www.feinstein.senate.gov

I am just not sold this is going to save lives. I think bullet proof glass, better security at schools, and mental health go a lot further.

Are strict gun laws saving lives in Chicago?

It is truly amazing that some people cannot see that almost every mass shooting occurs in a gun free zone as I pointed out before. And yes most guns used in them are obtained legally. Majority of gun crimes happen in democratic crime infested inner cities and are generally drug or gang related or a combination of both. And most guns used in those are obtained illegally.

Yet the focus is only on the mass shootings and very little to clean up the inner cities. They are OK with them just shooting up each other every single week and it is basically ignored and not even covered. Welp, another dead dude in the city

I have 3 kids...I am all for them being safe but I do not think taking a scary looking gun and making it illegal to obtain changes anything. They'll just use a different type of gun and clip changes are not hard. A shotgun with a big spread can hit multiple people and is also semi-automatic. You can get barrel drums for them too

So you start here and then the next type of gun begins to be used and then there is another ban. Then another one pops up and you ban it.

And the people who are banning the guns, do not even know what these guns are. I mean speech writers cannot even get the gun that was used properly. MEdia is reporting it was an AR-15 which it wasn't. President reporting it was 2 AK-47's which it wasn't.

There are a lot more powerful and dangerous guns than the scary looking AR

 

[jakefest]

You only follow the best Twitter accounts

That's your takeaway? I'm sorry but I just can't even engage with you anymore.......anyone that can't admit how horrible that is, unfortunately is just as horrible.

 

[dpic73]

I am just not sold this is going to save lives. I think bullet proof glass, better security at schools, and mental health go a lot further.

Are strict gun laws saving lives in Chicago?

It is truly amazing that some people cannot see that almost every mass shooting occurs in a gun free zone as I pointed out before. And yes most guns used in them are obtained legally. Majority of gun crimes happen in democratic crime infested inner cities and are generally drug or gang related or a combination of both. And most guns used in those are obtained illegally.

Yet the focus is only on the mass shootings and very little to clean up the inner cities. They are OK with them just shooting up each other every single week and it is basically ignored and not even covered. Welp, another dead dude in the city

I have 3 kids...I am all for them being safe but I do not think taking a scary looking gun and making it illegal to obtain changes anything. They'll just use a different type of gun and clip changes are not hard. A shotgun with a big spread can hit multiple people and is also semi-automatic. You can get barrel drums for them too

So you start here and then the next type of gun begins to be used and then there is another ban. Then another one pops up and you ban it.

And the people who are banning the guns, do not even know what these guns are. I mean speech writers cannot even get the gun that was used properly. MEdia is reporting it was an AR-15 which it wasn't. President reporting it was 2 AK-47's which it wasn't.

There are a lot more powerful and dangerous guns than the scary looking AR

I am just not sold this is going to save lives. I think bullet proof glass, better security at schools, and mental health go a lot further.

It's already been shown to work before, so why not do the things you mention above plus a ban? We can't keep nibbling around the edges here. It could be your kids next - do you or do you not want to do everything in your power to protect them or do you only want to use half measures?


Red line is when the Assault Weapons ban expired

 

[dpic73]

That's your takeaway? I'm sorry but I just can't even engage with you anymore.......anyone that can't admit how horrible that is, unfortunately is just as horrible.

How long do you think it would take me to find some horrible things said by straight white males?

Plus, the site you're posting from is known to post unverified clips and many have accused them of making some of those clips themselves.

How Libs of TikTok Became an Anti-LGBTQ+ Hate Machine

The account has led to bomb threats against hospitals, death threats against teachers, and more.

www.them.us

 

[nytigerfan]

It's already been shown to work before, so why not do the things you mention above plus a ban? We can't keep nibbling around the edges here. It could be your kids next - do you or do you not want to do everything in your power to protect them or do you only want to use half measures?


Red line is when the Assault Weapons ban expired

You know whats coming, right? They are going to look at your data (facts), and then completely ignore it because the words "assault weapons" were used.

right wing playbook 101.

 

[dpic73]

You know whats coming, right? They are going to look at your data (facts), and then completely ignore it because the words "assault weapons" were used.

right wing playbook 101.

Yep and that's why my second attachment from the 2013 bill gives a detailed list so we can stop quibbling over "which ones." Of course, they'll find something not listed because right-wing playbook 101

 

[nmerritt11]

Even if they're not banned, which they won't be and I'm not 100% convinced it would help anyway. Does it make more sense to restrict firearm sales to dealers/retailers only? Or at best, ban firearm sales over the internet? Does that infringe on anyone's right to bear arms? When the second amendment was written the internet wasn't around.

Also - strengthen the protection of legal gun sales while increasing the liability for person-to-person sales. If you sale a gun to someone else and it's use to commit a crime, you should be held liable.

It's illegal for someone with a prescription to sell their medicine to someone else. It should be the same for guns. If you want to sell your gun, resale it at a gun store, that only sales guns/ammo not a pawn shop that sales stolen items.

None of what I have described above infringes on anyone's right to buy or possess a gun.

You mention the internet was not around, well, registering guns was not required either and you could buy, sell, trade with whomever you wanted. I do not have a problem with making it tougher to get them but comparing them to prescription meds is a little out there.

The meds can directly hurt someone if abused and if you purchase that you are purchasing for that reason. Not everyone is purchasing a gun to hurt someone or themselves

Also, I know people that have had guns stolen that have been used in crimes. It is a slippery slope. You start regulating every single thing and the government, whom I do not think anyone fully trusts, has control of your lives.

If you sell a baseball bat and someone uses it to beat someone to death are you liable? If you sell a knife and it kills someone are you liable? If you sell a cross bow and it kills someone, should you be held liable? Where does it end? Why would me selling you a gun, you going mental and killing someone be on me?

I am not responsible for what you do with something I sell to you. If you buy a nice bottle of rare liquor from me, you take it home, get drunk, and kill someone in a car wreck does that come back on me?

 

[nmerritt11]

I hear you but I can go out and buy all of those items you listed from target except the liquor. I can't buy a gun from target. If you sell me a gun, are you doing the same background check that the gun store does down the street?

Well in general, I would not sell a gun to someone I did not know. That does not mean that person I know and trust would not go bat shit crazy and shoot someone.

All the items I mentioned are things you may not be able to find the one you are looking for. I have a collection of knives that you cannot just go buy on the street. Collecting them kind of happened by accident when my father in law would buy us sets every Christmas. Most are still in original packaging for collection purposes but you could not just go out and buy a lot of mine. Some are custom w/ damascus blades and valuable as well. So if I sell one of my customs and it is used in a stabbing am I liable?

Some people overthink this...

Why is all the effort on the guns and not the people? Why do we not hear about all the shit in crime heavy cities? Why is the focus on a certain type on gun and not focused on the bigger picture? Why do we just turn a blind eye to where there are many more shootings every week than the mass shootings?

Mass shootings are the only thing they focus on. Why did the number of mass shootings decline and now are back on a rise?

Why do the cities governed by democrats have the highest gun crime but strictest gun laws? How are they obtaining and what are we doing about it?

What about the opioid crisis and mental health crisis? What about our military who are committing suicide at a scary rate? What about human sex trafficking which is largest organized crime in the US? What about the absolute cluster fvck at the border?

Nope not focused on those things? It is all about scary looking guns and making them illegal

 

[nmerritt11]

I don't know. I have none of the answers, just ideas and thoughts.

I will say an answer to inner city violence and all of the things you described above is if, over the next 12 months, crime was prosecuted in this country to the max for a year and the discretion was removed from judges on sentencing, i.e. - you're convicted of a crime and you serve the max, violence would taper and society would be better off over the next 20 years, simply for that enforcement.

why serve the max? All that does is hurt the innocent. I say put more people to death. Take the people on death row out. Let's start there...

If I know you murdered someone, sentence to death and do not draw it out.

 

[nytigerfan]

I’m sorry.. Wut?

What do you use your AR-15 for? Serious question. I own three guns (a rifle - deer, shotgun - birds, and a pistol - self defense). I don't own an AR because I have a normal sized penis and honestly I cant think of a use for it. You can't really hunt with it, right?

 

[nmerritt11]

I meant impose the max punishment according to the law. If it's death, death it is.

I was more talking about how repeated offenders are often out on lighter sentences because of first time offenses. Enough of the "warnings" - Society has been signaled warnings of its collapse for years.

I knew what you were talking about but the issue is and the excuse they use is prison's are overcrowded. If not a sentence, immediate deportation. If sentenced to death, immediately put to death...

All max sentences do is overcrowd more and cost the American taxpayer more

 

[nmerritt11]

What do you use your AR-15 for? Serious question. I own three guns (a rifle - deer, shotgun - birds, and a pistol - self defense). I don't own an AR because I have a normal sized penis and honestly I cant think of a use for it. You can't really hunt with it, right?

yes they are being used more and more for everything from deer, to elk, to higs, to coyotes, etc. Popularity of using an AR-15 in hunting has increased

Light weight, reliable, adjustable stock, etc. Might not be as accurate as some rifles but accurate enough. I think last number I saw that a report stated that 25-30% or so of hunters have used an AR-15 in some type of hunt.

But once again an AR-15 was not used in the shooting that this thread is about. Nor was an AK-47 which the POTUS reported in his presser

They had one but apparently this is what was used in the shootings

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

What do you use your AR-15 for? Serious question. I own three guns (a rifle - deer, shotgun - birds, and a pistol - self defense). I don't own an AR because I have a normal sized penis and honestly I cant think of a use for it. You can't really hunt with it, right?

It’s just fun to shoot. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think some folks coyote/pig hunt with them, but as I’ve said before, there’s really no need. The issue becomes the 30-50 round clips. Combine that with the ability to fire as quickly as a trigger is pulled, and you have the power to out gun someone else.

I find it odd these shooters carry ARs into the close quarters environments. The truth is, a high capacity shotgun is much more dangerous in those spaces.