Yes, equating a riot that sprung up over something that actually happened is worse than a riot that was instigated by a Presidential lie. What a stupid analogy.
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That's what he wants if he can't get his way democratically.
Serious question: media hyperbole asside, just how did Jan 6 "put our entire democracy in crisis", as you say? What could these dimwits have achieved? At worst, they might have delayed a ceremonial proceeding, but the election would have been certified just the same and the inauguration would have happened as scheduled.
Of course you know this, but Minneapolis wasn't the only city that burned. Violent instructionist behavior took place all over the country, including down here in Charleston. The feeling of utter impotence from elected officials the face out of control violence is something I'll never forget, no matter how much the media tries to keep Jan 6 in the forefront. I was in substantial fear for my wife and kids and took the social media threats to bring the violence into the neighborhoods seriously. I had weapons staged all over my house and plans in place in the event things started going downhill in nearby neighborhoods. Never in a million years would I have though that would happen in my hometown. Are you telling me you felt a similar threat from a handfull of idiots that thought they were making some kind of statement by forcing their way into the capital building and getting pictures with their feet on a congressmen's desk?
Well if the dimwits had run into Mike Pence in the hallways of the capital, the story would be very very different. You realize they crashed the house floor right? They stopped the vote on certifying the election results. If Mike Pence had paused the certification, the issue would have gone to the house where complete chaos would have broke out.
Jan 6th wasn't just dumb magas entering a building. It was also elected representatives and Trumps goons orchestrating to overthrow the election results. He had fake electors he was trying to replace real ones with. If Trump had gone to the capital building while the insurrection was occurring what happens? I think the full on overthrow of government would have been attempted by force. There were just a few touch points that saved democracy: 1) Mike Pence did his constitutional duty. 2) the insurrectionists were barely thwarted from kidnapping members of congress. 3) Trump's secret service didn't allow him to go to the capital to lead the whole thing. He wanted to and was in physical altercations with his SS in the car.
If any of those things don't happen, we are talking about a way different story today about Jan 6. Its very convenient for people to gloss over that day so they don't have to deal with the what ifs. Some people don't want to talk about it because they'd be perfectly fine if Mike Pence was captured and killed that day just so Trump could remain president.
Personal insults. Nice. Nevertheless, the analogy is apt.
So, you don't think this riot was encouraged, incited promoted or fomemted in any way(?)....becuase if so it implys severe felonious behavior rising to the level of our right insurrection given the scope and reach.
You never felt threatened in you own home or that it might not be safe to go out?
I certainly never felt threatened by the moronic charade at the Capital on Jan 6.
I am totally with you vis-a-vis Trump. His actions on that day need a full airing and he needs to needs to be held accountable for his deplorable behavior. Hopefully Trump has to answer for it in the coming months.
Point 2 above is just flat outlandish to me though. Not saying some jack wagon would not have done it, but what could they possibly accomplish but turn an entire country against them? And for that matter any of your other point about imperialling our democracy? I live in the land of MAGA and no way would any but the utmost lunatic fringe have ever stood for that. I just don't see it.
The rioting at the Capital on that day was anything more than another ugly blot and what was an even uglier and far more disturbing year prior.
Yes, it was incited by killing a man by kneeling on his neck because he tried to use a counterfeit $20 bill. This was one of many that were happening around that time and they could have been prevented by NOT killing petty criminals or in other cases, killing for no reason. That in no way excuses the riots because they were horrible but they were in response to events that actually happened.
But I have zero patience with people like you who try to downplay one of the darkest days in our country's history. There was a direct threat to our democracy and if a few things happened differently, we don't know how badly it might have gone. All because of a f***ing LIE. By our own President....who instigated an attack against our OWN govt. Over something that DIDN'T HAPPEN!
You can f right off with that lame ass comparison.
Lol at living in Charleston and being fearful for your life because upper king street had a couple windows broken. The “riots” in Charleston were nothing compared to other cities.
I wish I loved anything as much as conservatives love being terrified of everything
I wish I loved anything as much as conservatives love being terrified of everything
Okay...just mute me then, because I'll certainly be doing likewise to you (don't bother responding; I won't see it). I know you like to spew vitriol at people you hate/disagree with. I am just trying to have a conversation in attempt to see of there is any validity to your acertions. Instead, you just seem to want to spew hate....which tells me all I need to know. Hope things improve for you....I really do.
Like the other guy, I know I'm not going to get anywhere with you. You sit in wait, pouncing on anyone espousing a certain belief, then you lay in with ad homenum attacks and nonsequtors. Not to say all your points are invalid...some certainly are and do occasionally give me pause.
But back to your "lol'ing" at my describing the fear I felt for my family after the violence that unfolded that particular night in Charleston. First of all, do you have kids? I have twin girls. They were 9 when this was all going down. They entered this world prematurely, spending several weeks in the level 4 neonatal ICU at MUSC. Something in that experience hightened the already natural fatherly protective instinct in me. If not for that, then perhaps I too would be able to "lol" at the notion rioting breaking out in Charleston. I also have/had friends in the Charleston and Summerville police departments. Concerted efforts were being made to hold "protests" similar to the one in downtown Charleston in downtown Summerville. The threat of escalation was REAL.
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Wasn’t a crime …
What is a crime is not living up to the conditions of treaties that the US signed.
“what was done to Native Americans in the 1800s” was no different than what happened to many others across the globe for thousands upon thousands of years.
We are getting closer than ever to a national divorce.
If Biden wins I think we see Texas secede and that may start a domino effect.
The divorce proceedings have already imo. It’s a long process.
Yeah, but it would be about 20 or more states that followed suit.
Probably the same 20 states that have sent their national guard to Texas to help with the border.
How do you square claiming to be patriots while simultaneously claiming to want to secede?
Not all divorces are nasty. We just want an amicable split on irreconcilable differences.
That doesn't make you a patriot though. You're talking about dissolving the union. Kind of makes you a traitor, not a patriot.
You wan't to know what is not patriotic? Spying on your political opponents. Using the full force of the Government to try and quash your political opposition. It's not patriotic to leave the border wide open and advertise "sanctuary cities", counter to the interest of your own citizens, in order to get votes.
If that's what I am supposed to be patriotic to, no thanks. I'd rather take the label traitor. However, I would argue the real traitors are the ones abusing the constitution and harming it's own citizens.
Yeah there are no open borders, and no one's using the full force of the government to quash political opposition; so if you want to lie your way into thinking you're a patriot that's cool. Just know that you and the rest of your ilk are traitors. A true patriot would try and do their best to enact policy and law to fix the perceived injustices you claim to experience, not threaten a fracturing of the country.
Conspiracy Theories: Why we want to believe when the facts often aren't there
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Conspiracy Theories: Why we want to believe when the facts often aren't there
Sometimes a story is more appealing than the truth. Experts say that's one of the reasons to explain the popularity of conspiracy theories.
Yep, perfect example of why we need to blow everything up! Anyone thinking this is a victory for Dems has looked past the fact that our ruling class cares only for themselves
Say bye- bye to Ronna (Mitt Romney’s niece)
The transfer from GOP to MAGA is happening before our eyes.
The transfer from GOP to MAGA is happening before our eyes.
I would define it as one more loss for the inept party in charge. What an abysmal clump of clowns...
No doubt the GOP is worthless. Dems are at least good at accomplishing their goals
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