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National Divorce

Would you vote for a National Divorce if presented the opportunity?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 30.8%
  • No

    Votes: 36 69.2%

  • Total voters
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So you are OK with the government spying on political opposition?

Are you OK with using the FISA court against a political opponent?

Are you ok with fabricating evidence to use in the FISA court? For the purpose of spying on a political opponent?

And before you answer, remember your party won't be in power forever.

What's sad is you don't even realize how much you've been misled.
 
Everyone (from either side) can bitch about the downfall of America all they want. The fact is we remain one of the wealthiest, most powerful, and most comfortable nations on earth.

Sure, we’ve lost a little of our shine, but we still have the juice to say jump and get a coalition of allies to say how high. You want to see all that go away and quick? You want to see China, Russia, and Iran create a new hegemony, putting so much distance between us and them that we’ll never get it back?

The destabilization of American security and economy is tantamount to the destabilization of both on the world stage. Do you want that? If so, keep talking National divorce.

Both sides would do well to RUN back to the middle bc if they don’t, it’s coming. And then everyone will realize real quick what a dumb fvcking move it was.
The corruption must be rooted out. America is great if operated as it was designed. That is we must have free and fair elections. That hasn't happened since 2016. We won't survive if we allow the corruption to take hold.
 
The corruption must be rooted out. America is great if operated as it was designed. That is we must have free and fair elections. That hasn't happened since 2016. We won't survive if we allow the corruption to take hold.

Doesn't realize that he's a fan of the most corrupt "politician" in US history. The lack of self awareness is shocking.
 
Case in point. I ask again, are you ok with this @hopefultiger13 ?


So the FBI, CIA or whatever deep state agency leaks a report to the Washington Post. The government uses the Post story in the FISA application. The FISA is granted and then later the Post retracts the story.

This is all acceptable behavior? That is flat out corruption.




For example, the FBI tried to justify continuing to spy on Page in early 2017 by indicating to the secret FISA court that it had verified a rumor about Page receiving dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government and facilitating a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” with the Kremlin to swing the 2016 election in Trump’s favor. But the bureau had corroborated no such thing. Its source was a front-page report in the Washington Post – one the newspaper later retracted after determining it was false, according to two former U.S. officials who have seen the original, unredacted FISA applications and described the passages to RCI.
 
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So you are OK with the government spying on political opposition?

Are you OK with using the FISA court against a political opponent?

Are you ok with fabricating evidence to use in the FISA court? For the purpose of spying on a political opponent?

And before you answer, remember your party won't be in power forever.
The government checking up on a guy running for President that doing business with Putin (as in offering him a penthouse in the Trump tower in Moscow). You bet your ass I am.

And that's what we actually HAVE courts for. The police collect evidence and the prosecutors present that.

You are stating the above like they are facts. Can you show us anyone that was charged with any of these "facts"? That was not aquiteed?
 
Case in point. I ask again, are you ok with this @hopefultiger13 ?


So the FBI, CIA or whatever deep state agency leaks a report to the Washington Post. The government uses the Post story in the FISA application. The FISA is granted and then later the Post retracts the story.

This is all acceptable behavior? That is flat out corruption.




For example, the FBI tried to justify continuing to spy on Page in early 2017 by indicating to the secret FISA court that it had verified a rumor about Page receiving dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government and facilitating a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” with the Kremlin to swing the 2016 election in Trump’s favor. But the bureau had corroborated no such thing. Its source was a front-page report in the Washington Post – one the newspaper later retracted after determining it was false, according to two former U.S. officials who have seen the original, unredacted FISA applications and described the passages to RCI.
Zerohedge? Really. You should have just gone with thegatewaypundit. That's like me quoting Rachel Maddow, except that I wouldn't quote her except as a joke.
 
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Dude... Trump lies to you every time he opens his mouth...

Who's this guy you are siting here? Yet another random tweet that you post and take it as fact. I'm not furious at anyone, not even Trump. I expect that any media that I read now is biased, one way or the other. And I expect any politician to spin things in a way that favors his side of things. So I don't look up some random tweeter with opinions... I look up what happened in court or in the actual report.
 
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The government checking up on a guy running for President that doing business with Putin (as in offering him a penthouse in the Trump tower in Moscow). You bet your ass I am.

And that's what we actually HAVE courts for. The police collect evidence and the prosecutors present that.

You are stating the above like they are facts. Can you show us anyone that was charged with any of these "facts"? That was not aquiteed?

Why was there a need to lie in and cheat in order to get the warrants? You are ok with that? You are a communist.
 
Zerohedge? Really. You should have just gone with thegatewaypundit. That's like me quoting Rachel Maddow, except that I wouldn't quote her except as a joke.
Ah, the old attack the source and not the facts. Facts are facts no matter if they come from zerohedge or msnbc.

The fact is they lied. Multiple times. And you are OK with it. I know who i am dealing with now. A communist. Have a good day.
 
Dude... Trump lies to you every time he opens his mouth...

Who's this guy you are siting here? Yet another random tweet that you post and take it as fact. I'm not furious at anyone, not even Trump. I expect that any media that I read now is biased, one way or the other. And I expect any politician to spin things in a way that favors his side of things. So I don't look up some random tweeter with opinions... I look up what happened in court or in the actual report.
That is my opinion, that's why i posted it. It is not a fact nor was it ever intended to be represented as one. It was an opinion and it was funny. You are a commie. Later.
 
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No you aren't. You are a communist. You want to stifle speech. You are ok with the Government fabricating lies, cheating, and using their full powers against their political opponents. Communist.
No man... That's not what it is at all. That's part of your problem, you THINK that you know stuff, but you really don't. You seem a nice fit for Trump. He tells you things and you believe them... Here's what communism is:

Communism is a political and economic ideology that positions itself in opposition to liberal democracy and capitalism, advocating instead for a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed.

That's it. Period. Doesn't have anything to do with corruption on way or the other, or free speech. The fact that you don't know this should REALLY bother you, but I'm sure it doesn't. The fact that you don't know this surprises no one here.
 
No man... That's not what it is at all. That's part of your problem, you THINK that you know stuff, but you really don't. You seem a nice fit for Trump. He tells you things and you believe them... Here's what communism is:

Communism is a political and economic ideology that positions itself in opposition to liberal democracy and capitalism, advocating instead for a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed.

That's it. Period. Doesn't have anything to do with corruption on way or the other, or free speech. The fact that you don't know this should REALLY bother you, but I'm sure it doesn't. The fact that you don't know this surprises no one here.

Corruption leads to communism. You are OK with the corruption.

You THINK you know what you support, but your really don't. You are OK with the corruption. You seem to be a good fit for the Biden regime. He tells you what to think and you believe him.

Corruption = path to communism. Wake up
 
Corruption leads to communism. You are OK with the corruption.

You THINK you know what you support, but your really don't. You are OK with the corruption. You seem to be a good fit for the Biden regime. He tells you what to think and you believe him.

Corruption = path to communism. Wake up

No it doesn't. Did you even read what he posted? Corruption or lack thereof happens in any and all economic and systems of government.
 
Corruption leads to communism. You are OK with the corruption.

You THINK you know what you support, but your really don't. You are OK with the corruption. You seem to be a good fit for the Biden regime. He tells you what to think and you believe him.

Corruption = path to communism. Wake up
You know... I would like to post a reply to make this even worse for you, but honestly you are making my point for me with every post here. The fact that you ACTUALLY THINK what you are posting makes any sort of sense is absolutely glorious.

Just one more FYI, I'm a moderate and don't belong to any political party. To be fair I was a member of the Republican party for a while in the 90s, but have never belonged to the Democratic party. I've no particular love for Biden and would vote for a Republican this election provided it wasn't Trump. If Biden has done something wrong. Charge him, try him and lock him up. That goes for his son too. That's ANYONE including Trump. Too bad that the Trumpians don't feel the same way.
 
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You know... I would like to post a reply to make this even worse for you, but honestly you are making my point for me with every post here. The fact that you ACTUALLY THINK what you are posting makes any sort of sense is absolutely glorious.

Just one more FYI, I'm a moderate and don't belong to any political party. To be fair I was a member of the Republican party for a while in the 90s, but have never belonged to the Democratic party. I've no particular love for Biden and would vote for a Republican this election provided it wasn't Trump. If Biden has done something wrong. Charge him, try him and lock him up. That goes for his son too. That's ANYONE including Trump. Too bad that the Trumpians don't feel the same way.
I am also a moderate that does not belong to a party. We have something in common.

Hunter Biden is on video smoking crack, showering with underage relatives among other things. In fact there is proof of over 200 crimes on his computer. He was about to plead guilty to tax evasion charges. What do you mean IF he has done something wrong? Where is your unhinged outrage towards him? Where is your unhinged outrage towards Joe Biden for continually lying about his relationship with his sons business (at a minimum)?

Hillary defied a congressional subpoena and destroyed evidence. Where is your unhinged outrage for that?

Bottom line is they cheated, lied, and framed Trump with some Russian Collusion shit. Trump is no saint, but it is proven beyond all doubt that he is being treated differently than any other politician in history. I'm not ok with that and think its worse than any other crime that our government has committed. You are presumable OK with that because you don't like him. I don't think that has any place in our government.
 
I am also a moderate that does not belong to a party. We have something in common.

Hunter Biden is on video smoking crack, showering with underage relatives among other things. In fact there is proof of over 200 crimes on his computer. He was about to plead guilty to tax evasion charges. What do you mean IF he has done something wrong? Where is your unhinged outrage towards him? Where is your unhinged outrage towards Joe Biden for continually lying about his relationship with his sons business (at a minimum)?

Hillary defied a congressional subpoena and destroyed evidence. Where is your unhinged outrage for that?

Bottom line is they cheated, lied, and framed Trump with some Russian Collusion shit. Trump is no saint, but it is proven beyond all doubt that he is being treated differently than any other politician in history. I'm not ok with that and think its worse than any other crime that our government has committed. You are presumable OK with that because you don't like him. I don't think that has any place in our government.
I don't have UNHINDGED OUTRAGE on ANYTHING. Not Biden, not Trump, not Hunter Biden. Let's take a look at what you are saying above. You used unhinged outrage three times in the above post so it's no accident. Let's take a look at what unhinged means:

  1. adjective
    affected with madness or insanity
    synonyms:brainsick, crazy, demented, disturbed, mad, sick, unbalancedinsane
    afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement
So yeah... I don't have any of that and since you blasted me for NOT having that, I'm assuming that you are admitting you do. Once again, I'd love to make this worse for you, but you keep doing my work for me.

Again, I've no particular love for Biden, Hunter, or Hillary. Charge them, try them, and lock them up. I won't bat an eye. But am I unhinged about it? Nope. But you do you.
 
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I don't have UNHINDGED OUTRAGE on ANYTHING. Not Biden, not Trump, not Hunter Biden. Let's take a look at what you are saying above. You used unhinged outrage three times in the above post so it's no accident. Let's take a look at what unhinged means:

  1. adjective
    affected with madness or insanity
    synonyms:brainsick, crazy, demented, disturbed, mad, sick, unbalancedinsane
    afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement
So yeah... I don't have any of that and since you blasted me for NOT having that, I'm assuming that you are admitting you do. Once again, I'd love to make this worse for you, but you keep doing my work for me.

Again, I've no particular love for Biden, Hunter, or Hillary. Charge them, try them, and lock them up. I won't bat an eye. But am I unhinged about it? Nope. But you do you.

You are absolutely unhinged. Seek help.
 
After we get through with the 50 intelligence agents, then we can get to the deep state (FBI) colluding with Twitter and Facebook to say the laptop wasn't real, when in fact they knew it was. This is rigging an election.

We The People are not in power ..... it's a dishonest cabal of people lying, cheating, and stealing from WE THE PEOPLE.
 
51 intelligence officials said that it resembled a Russian disinformation campaign, or rather it was something that Russia would absolutely do.

Not that it was 100% Russian.

I understand that's difficult for smoothbrainfastball to understand, but alas here we are.
 
Manifest Destiny. How would you have settled the west differently? Was it possible to not disturb Nat.Amer. territory and get it done?

So like, god told me it was my destiny to have the land that you've been living on and developing and it's not possible for me to take your land without murdering you, so what alternative do I have? Amirite?!
 
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So like, god told me it was my destiny to have the land that you've been living on and developing and it's not possible for me to take your land without murdering you, so what alternative do I have? Amirite?!
No. Review your US history.....and the history regarding Manifest Destiny used around the world.
 
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Pretty easy. You don't believe the parts that are proven, with facts, to be lies. You do believe the parts that are proven, with facts, to be the truth. All it requires is a little reading comprehension, logic, and critical thinking. If you lack those skills it will be very difficult for you. For the rest of us we can do this very easily.

No, I'm not a commie... I'm a firm capitalist and always have been.
If you support communistic activity from the govt while currently being allowed to live as you please then you are on that path. You will not support it when it comes after your sacred cow or someone that you like.
 
These threads have taught me that our resident MAGA Trumpers legitimately don't know what the following terms mean:

Communist, Fascist, RINO, Freedom of Speech, I know I'm missing others.

This is truly an indictment of our Education system, that is assuming that these folks didn't get homeschooled, or fail out of School.
 
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These threads have taught me that our resident MAGA Trumpers legitimately don't know what the following terms mean:

Communist, Fascist, RINO, Freedom of Speech, I know I'm missing others.

This is truly an indictment of our Education system, that is assuming that these folks didn't get homeschooled, or fail out of School.
Go back to school sonny and then come back when you learn something.
 
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Brother I have a college education and many,many years of work experience. What exactly do you have?

I also know the definitions of the terms I listed. Apparently you dumbasses failed Tech Prep Government and Economics.
Whatever you have obviously didnt help based on the stupid stuff you say on this board. LOL!!
 
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If you support communistic activity from the govt while currently being allowed to live as you please then you are on that path. You will not support it when it comes after your sacred cow or someone that you like.
What the hell is communistic activity? Once again, Communism is:

Communism is a political and economic ideology that positions itself in opposition to liberal democracy and capitalism, advocating instead for a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed.

Show me a post where I've supported something along the lines above. Once again, I'll hang up and listen, but I won't hold my breath.
 
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What the hell is communistic activity? Once again, Communism is:

Communism is a political and economic ideology that positions itself in opposition to liberal democracy and capitalism, advocating instead for a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed.

Show me a post where I've supported something along the lines above. Once again, I'll hang up and listen, but I won't hold my breath.

These idiots keep throwing around therms they have heard, yet have no idea what they actually mean. They also don't realize that using said terms wrong makes them look really ignorant and further diminishes any point that they are trying to make.

In short, sound dumb,be considered dumb.
 
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What the hell is communistic activity? Once again, Communism is:

Communism is a political and economic ideology that positions itself in opposition to liberal democracy and capitalism, advocating instead for a classless system in which the means of production are owned communally and private property is nonexistent or severely curtailed.

Show me a post where I've supported something along the lines above. Once again, I'll hang up and listen, but I won't hold my breath.
How about for one what the DOJ is doing related to the two tiered justice system? Everyone in the cartel establishment is protected while everyone outside is not. How about the suppression of any information that goes against the establishment wishes? So this might be better described as stuff a dictator does but dictators normally rule in communist states so what come first the chicken or the egg? You looney libs conveniently ignore this real stuff going on in America because you think it benefits you at the moment. Go ahead and hang up and dont call back jack.
 
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