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Romney and the Senate Republicans knew if they wanted to fund the government for the remainder of FY23 they better do it before January. As soon as McCarthy, Jim Jordan, etc are in power, they were going to shutdown the government at the first chance on some political bullshit. They’ll still do it next October, but at least this kicks that can down the road.

Also, I guess I should be astonished, but I’m not, at the amount of folks (some in this thread) that don’t know the difference in an Omnibus and a stand alone bill like Infrastructure, Covid Relief, etc.
 
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adgjunior said:
Romney and the Senate Republicans knew if they wanted to fund the government for the remainder of FY23 they better do it before January. As soon as McCarthy, Jim Jordan, etc are in power, they were going to shutdown the government at the first chance on some political bullshit. They’ll still do it next October, but at least this kicks that can down the road.

Also, I guess I should be astonished, but I’m not, at the amount of folks (some in this thread) that don’t know the difference in an Omnibus and a stand alone bill like Infrastructure, Covid Relief, etc.
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You have an opinion that I do not agree with on this topic. As Gomer Pyle would say surprise surprise!
 
adgjunior said:
Where do we differ?

FWIW - the Gomer Pyle reference made me smile.
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Im glad I can pass along some smiles at any time. I disagree on the idea of the republican senators being altruistic and looking for the best alternative. I see the argument though.
 
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A bill largely crafted around climate change spend, is being flown to Biden's vacation spot on a plane........you literally can't find a more ironic event.

 
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jakefest said:
A bill largely crafted around climate change spend, is being flown to Biden's vacation spot on a plane........you literally can't find a more ironic event.

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How do you surmise that the bill is "crafted around climate change" when over half of the money is earmarked to the Pentagon and defense spending? It is a budget to fund the government for the remainder of FY23, which includes hundreds of programs. Almost every agency received an increase in funding due to inflation, including the EPA and other environmental programs, but to paint this bill around any singular priority is just political grandstanding.
 
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How do you surmise that the bill is "crafted around climate change" when over half of the money is earmarked to the Pentagon and defense spending? It is a budget to fund the government for the remainder of FY23, which includes hundreds of programs. Almost every agency received an increase in funding due to inflation, including the EPA and other environmental programs, but to paint this bill around any singular priority is just political grandstanding.
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They are flying the bill to the beach so Biden can sign it.......let that sink in and then maybe redo your post.
 
jakefest said:
They are flying the bill to the beach so Biden can sign it.......let that sink in and then maybe redo your post.
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Doesn't change the fact that your statement of it being a bill "crafted around climate change" is wrong.

Also, Trump signed his last one at Mar-a-Lago, and it contained billions in climate funding, but I'm sure you knew that tidbit.
 
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TigerGrowls said:
Trump video statement on the omnibus debacle. Trump giving words of wisdom again this week.


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Trump had never once given words of "Wisdom". His understanding of any bill, let alone policy is laughable at best. He's not smart or at all prepared. He's a spoiled rich kid who never had to earn a thing in his sad life.
 
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PawJourney said:
Trump was not a fiscal conservative. Be careful what you wish for.
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True, but I would still take Trump with all the good stuff he does and he would spend nowhere near what the dirty dems are currently doing.
 
TigerGrowls said:
True, but I would still take Trump with all the good stuff he does and he would spend nowhere near what the dirty dems are currently doing.
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Yes, he does spend. Trump did some things I really liked - reduced regulations, supported American resources, better managed the border, and was pro law and order. Trump's personality and ego gets in the way and opened the pandora's box of uncivilized behavior. I could care less what he does in his personal life (I have lots of friends who do care though) but calling names (while it's funny and he really knows how to label people) rather than debating the merits of the point (he'd probably win on lots of his ideas if he could corral his messaging) is a no-go for me this time. I voted for him twice, but the agitation on January 6 was Stacey Abrams on steroids and I won't support that if I have a choice...and Joe Biden isn't a choice.

America already has a third party, the Libertarians. That's really my political alignment, but casting a vote for them is throwing my vote away. If Trump creates a fourth party, he doesn't care about America because he's handing America over to the leftists running the Democratic party. It's best for America to have two functioning parties....and it currently has no functioning party. America is moderate and whichever party gets there first wins.
 
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PawJourney said:
Yes, he does spend. Trump did some things I really liked - reduced regulations, supported American resources, better managed the border, and was pro law and order. Trump's personality and ego gets in the way and opened the pandora's box of uncivilized behavior. I could care less what he does in his personal life (I have lots of friends who do care though) but calling names (while it's funny and he really knows how to label people) rather than debating the merits of the point (he'd probably win on lots of his ideas if he could corral his messaging) is a no-go for me this time. I voted for him twice, but the agitation on January 6 was Stacey Abrams on steroids and I won't support that if I have a choice...and Joe Biden isn't a choice.

America already has a third party, the Libertarians. That's really my political alignment, but casting a vote for them is throwing my vote away. If Trump creates a fourth party, he doesn't care about America because he's handing America over to the leftists running the Democratic party. It's best for America to have two functioning parties....and it currently has no functioning party. America is moderate and whichever party gets there first wins.
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I really like your post minus “throwing my vote away”. No American who votes is wasting their vote. Voting for a third party is still sending a message, and if more would adopt the strategy we could potentially develop more viable parties.
 
PawJourney said:
Yes, he does spend. Trump did some things I really liked - reduced regulations, supported American resources, better managed the border, and was pro law and order. Trump's personality and ego gets in the way and opened the pandora's box of uncivilized behavior. I could care less what he does in his personal life (I have lots of friends who do care though) but calling names (while it's funny and he really knows how to label people) rather than debating the merits of the point (he'd probably win on lots of his ideas if he could corral his messaging) is a no-go for me this time. I voted for him twice, but the agitation on January 6 was Stacey Abrams on steroids and I won't support that if I have a choice...and Joe Biden isn't a choice.

America already has a third party, the Libertarians. That's really my political alignment, but casting a vote for them is throwing my vote away. If Trump creates a fourth party, he doesn't care about America because he's handing America over to the leftists running the Democratic party. It's best for America to have two functioning parties....and it currently has no functioning party. America is moderate and whichever party gets there first wins.
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I think a new party would pull some center left democrats. It would be more like a 3 way close to equal split imo. I could be wrong of course.
 
adgjunior said:
I really like your post minus “throwing my vote away”. No American who votes is wasting their vote. Voting for a third party is still sending a message, and if more would adopt the strategy we could potentially develop more viable parties.
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If the Libertarian hadn't run in the recent Georgia election and gotten so many votes, Walker may have pulled in sufficient votes to win.

Without voters going to vote for Kemp v. Abrahms, Walker wasn't going to win because he's a weak candidate choice. (I like him but believe he was recruited because he's black and a football player, which are not relevant characteristics to the job, particularly when the mud starts slinging.)

I'm not okay with the current Democratic party being in control of the Senate. In this instance, voting Libertarian to me would have been throwing my vote away.

What I despise are the voting drives. If someone wants to vote, they'll make it happen. We should never beg people to vote because the ones we beg probably won't take the time to get informed on the issues or the candidates. I do and I will cross party lines and pick moderates who are fiscal conservatives (which I guess is my top focus).
 
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PawJourney said:
If the Libertarian hadn't run in the recent Georgia election and gotten so many votes, Walker may have pulled in sufficient votes to win.

Without voters going to vote for Kemp v. Abrahms, Walker wasn't going to win because he's a weak candidate choice. (I like him but believe he was recruited because he's black and a football player, which are not relevant characteristics to the job, particularly when the mud starts slinging.)

I'm not okay with the current Democratic party being in control of the Senate. In this instance, voting Libertarian to me would have been throwing my vote away.

What I despise are the voting drives. If someone wants to vote, they'll make it happen. We should never beg people to vote because the ones we beg probably won't take the time to get informed on the issues or the candidates. I do and I will cross party lines and pick moderates who are fiscal conservatives (which I guess is my top focus).
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I understand the typical logic behind “throwing your vote away”. I just disagree that anyone that votes is throwing their vote away. If you vote your conscience, your voice matters, whether your candidate has a chance to win or not.

IMO, Walker winning would’ve been a loss for America regardless of Senate makeup. We don’t need those type of candidates on our ballot. Hopefully his rejection will make the Republicans improve their canvas for candidates.
 
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adgjunior said:
I understand the typical logic behind “throwing your vote away”. I just disagree that anyone that votes is throwing their vote away. If you vote your conscience, your voice matters, whether your candidate has a chance to win or not.

IMO, Walker winning would’ve been a loss for America regardless of Senate makeup. We don’t need those type of candidates on our ballot. Hopefully his rejection will make the Republicans improve their canvas for candidates.
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I wholeheartedly agree with the last sentence for both parties.
 
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adgjunior said:
I understand the typical logic behind “throwing your vote away”. I just disagree that anyone that votes is throwing their vote away. If you vote your conscience, your voice matters, whether your candidate has a chance to win or not.

IMO, Walker winning would’ve been a loss for America regardless of Senate makeup. We don’t need those type of candidates on our ballot. Hopefully his rejection will make the Republicans improve their canvas for candidates.
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Agree with you on the "throwing your vote away". In libertarian party, we would say, "I'd rather vote for what I want and not get it, then vote for what I don't want and get it.
 
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flotiger said:
Agree with you on the "throwing your vote away". In libertarian party, we would say, "I'd rather vote for what I want and not get it, then vote for what I don't want and get it.
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Following up on this, I left my heavy involvement in libertarian parties over two decades ago. I no longer think it's a viable political theory. Human nature won't allow it to prosper on a national scale. Though my believe is it can still work on a local scale.
 
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PawJourney said:
Yes, he does spend. Trump did some things I really liked - reduced regulations, supported American resources, better managed the border, and was pro law and order. Trump's personality and ego gets in the way and opened the pandora's box of uncivilized behavior. I could care less what he does in his personal life (I have lots of friends who do care though) but calling names (while it's funny and he really knows how to label people) rather than debating the merits of the point (he'd probably win on lots of his ideas if he could corral his messaging) is a no-go for me this time. I voted for him twice, but the agitation on January 6 was Stacey Abrams on steroids and I won't support that if I have a choice...and Joe Biden isn't a choice.

America already has a third party, the Libertarians. That's really my political alignment, but casting a vote for them is throwing my vote away. If Trump creates a fourth party, he doesn't care about America because he's handing America over to the leftists running the Democratic party. It's best for America to have two functioning parties....and it currently has no functioning party. America is moderate and whichever party gets there first wins.
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The guy who wants to defund the FBI is pro law and order?
 
The FBI's recent conduct is anything but law and order. The FBI is the political animal that Hoover created it to be, spying on Americans and using its power to put a finger on the political outcome in elections. I know there are honorable FBI agents, but it's leadership is deep state. I know we'll probably disagree on this because you want to fund the FBI. The real law and order occurs at the community and state level.
 
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PawJourney said:
The FBI's recent conduct is anything but law and order. The FBI is the political animal that Hoover created it to be, spying on Americans and using its power to put a finger on the political outcome in elections. I know there are honorable FBI agents, but it's leadership is deep state. I know we'll probably disagree on this because you want to fund the FBI. The real law and order occurs at the community and state level.
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So you believe that there is systemic deepstatism in the FBI? You sound woke bro.
 
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PawJourney said:
The FBI's recent conduct is anything but law and order. The FBI is the political animal that Hoover created it to be, spying on Americans and using its power to put a finger on the political outcome in elections. I know there are honorable FBI agents, but it's leadership is deep state. I know we'll probably disagree on this because you want to fund the FBI. The real law and order occurs at the community and state level.
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thanks bush?
 
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I believe it regardless of any labels you attach to my belief. Fine by me if disagree.
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Have you ever considered that the reason you see the FBI as partisan is because the people they target are much more openly corrupt and coincidentally they're mostly on the side you support? If they didn't commit criminal acts they wouldn't be in the crosshairs - it's as simple as that. Not sure how you can say that the leadership of the FBI is deep state when they were appointed by Trump and they have gone after legitimate targets.
 
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TigerGrowls said:
Im glad I can pass along some smiles at any time. I disagree on the idea of the republican senators being altruistic and looking for the best alternative. I see the argument though.
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The shitshow going on in the House right now is exactly the reason I told you earlier in the thread that the Senate Republicans backed the Omnibus. They had no desire to work with their own party members from the lower chamber to try to fund the government for FY23. How can you propose meaningful legislation when you cannot even elect a Speaker for the first time in 100 years?
 
adgjunior said:
The shitshow going on in the House right now is exactly the reason I told you earlier in the thread that the Senate Republicans backed the Omnibus. They had no desire to work with their own party members from the lower chamber to try to fund the government for FY23. How can you propose meaningful legislation when you cannot even elect a Speaker for the first time in 100 years?
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LOL!! When is everything in DC not a shitshow bro?
 
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