OT- If we continue to follow liberals, this is our path

[GilaMonsta]

so what has effected a normal chicago household where the children walk out of their homes, go to the streets and shoot othe human beings

while in maine, those same children from the same style of family, leave their home with a weapon and are not looking to shoot up other humans.

a human is there

guns are present in both cases

what makes one use a gun differently than the other

its not the dam gun!

I'm going to take a wild guess that 99.99999% of the households we are referring to in Chicago and what goes on in those households is nowhere near the same as it is in Maine.

When you grow up and the main people that care and provide for you are gang banging drug dealers, you tend to end up being a gang banging drug dealer. Killing comes with the territory for gang banging drug dealers. That's just not the reality for most people in Maine.

 

[appalachiatiger]

I'm going to take a wild guess that 99.99999% of the households we are referring to in Chicago and what goes on in those households is nowhere near the same as it is in Maine.

When you grow up and the main people that care and provide for you are gang banging drug dealers, you tend to end up being a gang banging drug dealer. Killing comes with the territory for gang banging drug dealers. That's just not the reality for most people in Maine.

instead of giving isis weapons

lets giveall the good little old ladies and old guys who sit on the porches all day in garg neighborhoods better weapons than the gang bangers

bet within a month ride bys would end if granny has an uzi on u

 

[GilaMonsta]

instead of giving isis weapons

lets giveall the good little old ladies and old guys who sit on the porches all day in garg neighborhoods better weapons than the gang bangers

bet within a month ride bys would end if granny has an uzi on u

You think the law abiding citizens in those neighborhoods don't have guns already? It's not about having the guns its what you do with them. Those people aren't looking to kill people with their guns.

 

[FreeSC]

If you are hardcore liberal or hardcore conservative, then you're part of the problem.

Really, I'm not sure I've ever met a 'hardcore conservative'.

You see, I think there's really only one standard for 'conservatism'. Do we follow the Constitution , as written, or not?
If you don't think we should, then you are liberal.

I AM conservative. Not sure how to make that 'hard core'. I just believe that when a law - like the highest law in the land, the Constitution - is written, you follow it, as written, until it is changed (amended).

And I assume there is something very, very WRONG with that way of thinking? Is that somehow extremely RADICAL?

Please educate me how it is radical to follow a law, as written, until it is re-written?

 

[ladedade]

What if one is a conservative with respect to fiscal matters and more liberal re social politics. Can I like a strong military but be pro-choice? Can I think there need to be far more restrictions on buying guns and still be anti-AFL-CIO. Can I be pro-Israel but anti-Bibi?

Out of luck - no such thing. Maybe after the main parties implode after the Trump - Sanders general election and a "middle of the road" party is formed but not until then.

 

[steele-tiger]

A couple of other things to think about that I've read in this thread. Most European countries, like the US, have a conservative party that moderates its liberal party and vice-versa. Think Germany, no one thinks of their head of state as being liberal. United States has a more socialistic economy now than some western European Countries.

Some countries that are above us on the capitalistic scale: New Zealand, Switzerland, Australia, Singapore, Canada (yes our neighbor to the north), Chile, and Ireland to name a few.

Angela Merkel is head of state of Germany and leader of the Christian Democratic Union party, which is a slightly right of center moderate party for Germany. They are socially conservative, pro-business, but would be considered socially liberally here and environmentally liberal.

She isn't a liberal in European Politics, but is closer to a Democrat than anything here.

The CDU is also the farthest right party in Germany with any power.

Germany also has a high governement spending in relation to GDP than the US. Not sure country in Western Europe is really less socialistic than the US.

Switzerland is an interesting case study. Switzerland doesn't have universal healthcare for instance, but buying healthcare from one of the private insurance companies is compulsory, so everybody is paying in. Education is free through college, but most students go to free vocation school, but a lot of those programs are business related.

 

[Patagonia]

Really, I'm not sure I've ever met a 'hardcore conservative'.

You see, I think there's really only one standard for 'conservatism'. Do we follow the Constitution , as written, or not?
If you don't think we should, then you are liberal.

I AM conservative. Not sure how to make that 'hard core'. I just believe that when a law - like the highest law in the land, the Constitution - is written, you follow it, as written, until it is changed (amended).

And I assume there is something very, very WRONG with that way of thinking? Is that somehow extremely RADICAL?

Please educate me how it is radical to follow a law, as written, until it is re-written?

Well, amendments have been repealed you know. Did you believe it was right to enact the amendment or to repeal it? Or both? Are you a sheeple? Poor guy.

People like you seem like people in 1939 Germany.

 

[GilaMonsta]

Really, I'm not sure I've ever met a 'hardcore conservative'.

You see, I think there's really only one standard for 'conservatism'. Do we follow the Constitution , as written, or not?
If you don't think we should, then you are liberal.

I AM conservative. Not sure how to make that 'hard core'. I just believe that when a law - like the highest law in the land, the Constitution - is written, you follow it, as written, until it is changed (amended).

And I assume there is something very, very WRONG with that way of thinking? Is that somehow extremely RADICAL?

Please educate me how it is radical to follow a law, as written, until it is re-written?

No offense but this post is pretty homerish. There are definitely extreme conservatives and liberals.

 

[Patagonia]

Angela Merkel is head of state of Germany and leader of the Christian Democratic Union party, which is a slightly right of center moderate party for Germany. They are socially conservative, pro-business, but would be considered socially liberally here and environmentally liberal.

She isn't a liberal in European Politics, but is closer to a Democrat than anything here.

The CDU is also the farthest right party in Germany with any power.

Germany also has a high governement spending in relation to GDP than the US. Not sure country in Western Europe is really less socialistic than the US.

Switzerland is an interesting case study. Switzerland doesn't have universal healthcare for instance, but buying healthcare from one of the private insurance companies is compulsory, so everybody is paying in. Education is free through college, but most students go to free vocation school, but a lot of those programs are business related.

This is a really good post. It's not a fit for the US, but it is a worldview approach. Too many think of the Constitution, or even the Bible (before I get skewered - I mean as a strict constructionist...lots of parables in the Bible), as a paradigm for eternity. I just do not believe that way. I voted for a Democratic President once, now FreeSC thinks I'm a grotesque liberal. I am not the smartest guy in the room, but at least I can acknowledge it.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Angela Merkel is head of state of Germany and leader of the Christian Democratic Union party, which is a slightly right of center moderate party for Germany. They are socially conservative, pro-business, but would be considered socially liberally here and environmentally liberal.

She isn't a liberal in European Politics, but is closer to a Democrat than anything here.

The CDU is also the farthest right party in Germany with any power.

Germany also has a high governement spending in relation to GDP than the US. Not sure country in Western Europe is really less socialistic than the US.

Switzerland is an interesting case study. Switzerland doesn't have universal healthcare for instance, but buying healthcare from one of the private insurance companies is compulsory, so everybody is paying in. Education is free through college, but most students go to free vocation school, but a lot of those programs are business related.

like the don says, time for europe to pay up.

its not our job to pay for their defense

pony up to nato or we walk

 

[Patagonia]

like the don says, time for europe to pay up.

its not our job to pay for their defense

pony up to nato or we walk

I agree. Meet 2% or do not count on us. And I think foreign aid should plummet. Nothing to the Saudis, Egyptians ( except by the terms of the treaty), and maintain, $3+ billion to the Israelis. If we give the Iraelis $5+ billion, then no more settlements during the term of our aid.

 

[appalachiatiger]

I agree. Meet 2% or do not count on us. And I think foreign aid should plummet. Nothing to the Saudis, Egyptians ( except by the terms of the treaty), and maintain, $3+ billion to the Israelis. If we give the Iraelis $5+ billion, then no more settlements during the term of our aid.

while we borrow money to defend europe, they spend their money on their lifestyles

not fair in my book

 

[Patagonia]

while we borrow money to defend europe, they spend their money on their lifestyles

not fair in my book

I think Obama got it right in shaming the UK and France. Canada should be next. Trudeau and his party seem to smugly smile at some superiority that does not exist. I definitely think Canada should be pressured

 

[gogetem]

I think Obama got it right in shaming the UK and France. Canada should be next. Trudeau and his party seem to smugly smile at some superiority that does not exist. I definitely think Canada should be pressured

I read an interesting observation about Canada. Of all the nations on Earth Canada had the best chance for perfection: could've had English Government, French culture, and American ingenuity. Instead they ended up with English ingenuity, American culture, and French government.

I like Canada, but wouldn't want to live there.

 

[FreeSC]

Well, amendments have been repealed you know. Did you believe it was right to enact the amendment or to repeal it? Or both? Are you a sheeple? Poor guy.

People like you seem like people in 1939 Germany.

You appear to have the gift of writing incoherent gibberish.
I believe that you follow the law until the law is changed. Yes, the Constitution has been amended. ...I'm all for it! It's the only right way.
And just how am i like people in 1939 Germany? Please explain.
Constitutionalism is nothing whatsoever like Socialism.

 

[FreeSC]

like the don says, time for europe to pay up.

its not our job to pay for their defense

pony up to nato or we walk

Same applies to the UN. Why are we paying to let people who hate us, hurt us?

 

[appalachiatiger]

Same applies to the UN. Why are we paying to let people who hate us, hurt us?

so the top 1% can maximize their profit margin offf the backs of american labor and credit

 

[nextoffensivecoord]

incorrect statement

trump is not a fascist, nor is he a racist

Incorrect statement. Trump IS a fascist. He is the reincarnation of Mussolini. Lots of similarities.

 

[nextoffensivecoord]

hahah wrong thread

attempt at deflection wont work silly

No, correct thread. Care to answer?

 

[appalachiatiger]

Incorrect statement. Trump IS a fascist. He is the reincarnation of Mussolini. Lots of similarities.

haha

he is a nationalist and anti establishment

 

[Patagonia]

You appear to have the gift of writing incoherent gibberish.
I believe that you follow the law until the law is changed. Yes, the Constitution has been amended. ...I'm all for it! It's the only right way.
And just how am i like people in 1939 Germany? Please explain.
Constitutionalism is nothing whatsoever like Socialism.

And you seem to have the gift of following rules set by our government regardless of the path they send you down. What if our revered government enacts a law stating "Slavery is ok, but only for your eldest child."?

You completely missed this amended Constitution point...it's okay, I do not intend to spend much time on you.

The people of 1939 Germany walked in step with their government as well. Do you understand? Need a diagram and crayons?

Constitutionalism and socialism? WTF, man just forget about it.

 

[appalachiatiger]

And you seem to have the gift of following rules set by our government regardless of the path they send you down. What if our revered government enacts a law stating "Slavery is ok, but only for your eldest child."?

You completely missed this amended Constitution point...it's okay, I do not intend to spend much time on you.

The people of 1939 Germany walked in step with their government as well. Do you understand? Need a diagram and crayons?

Constitutionalism and socialism? WTF, man just forget about it.

do you think the germans who voted to put the nazi's in power realized what they had done?

when do you think a majority finally realized what they had done?

would they have even had the power to remove the nazi's from power without help?

if germany and the other europeans countries had adopted the bill of rights prior, would they have had the power to defeat germany without american (capitalism and democracy)

and i would argue that bill of rights should trump all others as the common thread that connects us.

anything else should be left to the states and communities to manage, like education

we dont need a "national" department of education.

free education, let parents and and the pta detemine what there kids learn.

 

[Patagonia]

do you think the germans who voted to put the nazi's in power realized what they had done?

when do you think a majority finally realized what they had done?

would they have even had the power to remove the nazi's from power without help?

if germany and the other europeans countries had adopted the bill of rights prior, would they have had the power to defeat germany without american (capitalism and democracy)

and i would argue that bill of rights should trump all others as the common thread that connects us.

anything else should be left to the states and communities to manage, like education

we dont need a "national" department of education.

free education, let parents and and the pta detemine what there kids learn.

I am not going line by line on all of that. I'll say that our government has issues...there is nothing in this universe that does not have issues. You and FreeSC seem to be on opposite sides of the spectrum so see if he will answer your questions.

The federal government is necessary for many things, including education. Otherwise, some states would fall too far behind. There must be a method of trying to keep all students on the same applicable level.

 

[nextoffensivecoord]

haha

he is a nationalist and anti establishment

So was Mussolini

 

[FreeSC]

Incorrect statement. Trump IS a fascist. He is the reincarnation of Mussolini. Lots of similarities.

Wow.
This will be interesting.
I don't even like Trump, but i think I'll just sit back and listen to the waves of........stuff......to come..

 

[Patagonia]

Wow.
This will be interesting.
I don't even like Trump, but i think I'll just sit back and listen to the waves of........stuff......to come..

FreeSC, you are oddly stern in your strict constructionist views and that the law is the law. Have you never had these beliefs challenged?

 

[nextoffensivecoord]

FreeSC, you are oddly stern in your strict constructionist views and that the law is the law. Have you never had these beliefs challenged?

Yeah, he has never met an "extreme conservative"

 

[appalachiatiger]

So was Mussolini

when i see the veterans of our military suit up and arm themselves and throw on red ball caps behind trump then i will start to listen.

but for now, trump seems to be be following the law.

 

[appalachiatiger]

So was Mussolini

 

[appalachiatiger]

Incorrect statement. Trump IS a fascist. He is the reincarnation of Mussolini. Lots of similarities.

i get that

 

[FreeSC]

FreeSC, you are oddly stern in your strict constructionist views and that the law is the law. Have you never had these beliefs challenged?

Not really.

You see, any 8th grader can read the Constitution and clearly understand it.
It is only after years of brainwashing to "interpret" a document, clearly written in English (which we all speak fluently), to convince people that the document says something it clearly DOESN'T say.

It is truly a strange, WARPED world where people consider you RADICAL because you ACTUALLY take the law as it was written. Lying and twisting of plain English language has to be taught as part of the liberal brainwashing regime. It is something Hitler and the Communists did long ago, and the liberals have never given up those tactics.

When I get into discussions with people who oppose following the law, they LOSE, because it is a ridiculous proposition in a country founded on republican government.

 

[nextoffensivecoord]

Not really.

You see, any 8th grader can read the Constitution and clearly understand it.
It is only after years of brainwashing to "interpret" a document, clearly written in English (which we all speak fluently), to convince people that the document says something it clearly DOESN'T say.

It is truly a strange, WARPED world where people consider you RADICAL because you ACTUALLY take the law as it was written. Lying and twisting of plain English language has to be taught as part of the liberal brainwashing regime. It is something Hitler and the Communists did long ago, and the liberals have never given up those tactics.

When I get into discussions with people who oppose following the law, they LOSE, because it is a ridiculous proposition in a country founded on republican government.

Those same people also said black people shouldn't vote and only count as a partial person. Should we continue to use that logic today?

 

[appalachiatiger]

Those same people also said black people shouldn't vote and only count as a partial person. Should we continue to use that logic today?

the logic is in use today

just not black people

 

[Patagonia]

Not really.

You see, any 8th grader can read the Constitution and clearly understand it.
It is only after years of brainwashing to "interpret" a document, clearly written in English (which we all speak fluently), to convince people that the document says something it clearly DOESN'T say.

It is truly a strange, WARPED world where people consider you RADICAL because you ACTUALLY take the law as it was written. Lying and twisting of plain English language has to be taught as part of the liberal brainwashing regime. It is something Hitler and the Communists did long ago, and the liberals have never given up those tactics.

When I get into discussions with people who oppose following the law, they LOSE, because it is a ridiculous proposition in a country founded on republican government.

Uh, ok, guess we can agree to strongly disagree. Those typically nine people in black flowing robes can now relax. You figured it out for them.