Genuine question: outside of blue laws in the south (which are definitely antiquated), what other laws do you think are?
OT- Is prohibition coming back?
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Genuine question: outside of blue laws in the south (which are definitely antiquated), what other laws do you think are?
He acted like he was posting something revelatory. LOL the WHO is recommending that the countries of the world do what America already does. Oh the outrage!
My work is alcohol, you can probably search some of my old posts on this subject
for starters
blue laws
the three tier system
Control states
list goes on
The TTB just changed an antiquated rule last month on the tolerance for alcohol/proof which now aligns with the rest of the world
Yea it seems like distributors are unnecessary middlemen.
One of the weirdest experiences I had was when I first moved to Northern California. Walked into a Rite-Aid, Walgreens type store to pick-up some cold meds and realized that I could pick up a prescription of percocet at the back and buy a fifth of liquor on my way out the door. It was a Whoa Moment...... I still shake my head 16 years later.
I got to hand it to whoever linked the alcohol advice from the WHO with Trump scapegoating them. Really nice palatable meal for the sheep
My work is also alcohol. The three tier system serves a good purpose, and there are ways around it for individuals that are easily accessed like private wine clubs/beer clubs, etc. that you can join. But it does do a good job of nationwide distribution and also offers a protection for the consumer in the form of quality controls. Of course the government considered tax revenue on all ends when it was created, but quality control and general safety was an actual concern that the three tier system had proven an effective solution to. It’s also created thousands upon thousands of jobs.
Blue laws and control states I agree with you on, but that’s a state by state thing, as you know. Nothing to to do with the federal government and certainly not WHO. We can be more upset at stick in the mud forces like churches or liquor stores with skin in the game for keeping those around.
Because I don’t think the untied states government has the legal authority to lock everyone inside?
It will take years to fully recover from the harm caused by governments trust faulty data. I’m sure I might sound crazy to you in the present, but at least I’m consistent. I’ve never thought freedoms are only designated for times of good. I also don’t believe central planning works in good times or bad times. A lot of people have moved the goal post on their views. Not me.
What quality control does the three tier system provide? Do you work at or for a distributor?
I get it. You are all assholes and don't care about anything other than what the US gets out of every situation. We all get it. We also understand that you are all infectious disease and international NGO experts now. We get it guys.
This thread is fascinating. Maybe its a troll to see how many sycophants will spout trump talking points about the WHO without any idea what they are saying and talking about or reading the article.
our country already does every single thing the WHO is suggesting that folks do to limit alcohol sales. READ THE ARTICLE. are you people for real?
our country already does every single thing the WHO is suggesting that folks do to limit alcohol sales. READ THE ARTICLE. are you people for real?
Yes, I do. I work as a statewide fine wine manager/development specialist for our sales teams and accounts.
When it was created, obviously the states and federal government had their eye on tax revenue. But there were also issues of bad product reaching the market both before and during prohibition harming and/or killing people. That’s an antiquated issue now, I would think. And if it weren’t, someone would get sued out of business. Still, in theory, the supplier/wholesaler network would prevent that.
Additionally, it provides a proven network of nationwide distribution. Were it eliminated, something very similar would just spring up in its place, just with no (or soon to come, different) regulations and taxation. Restaurants and retailers aren’t going to do business with, say, 85 individual producers when they could do business with three wholesalers that represent access to thousands of producers. I’m not sure why it needs to be eliminated.
And again, on top of it all, it provides thousands of jobs benefiting the economy. From a personal standpoint, I’m confident in my ability to find work in this hypothetical new environment. So, not considering myself, I still don’t see why it needs to be eliminated.
Out of curiosity, what sector of the industry do you work in?
Also, of course I’m obviously biased, but I don’t mean for this to come off as a flame or anything. More of a general discussion and the fact that I don’t see distributors as a negative or in need of eliminating.
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So, we are bitching about recommendations now?
Just checking. I want to hang with the cool kids.
Just checking. I want to hang with the cool kids.
they are bitching about recommendations that we already have in place. because trump said to.
The only violence in my house is if I ain't got any bourbon to drink. Then things are going to get damn testy. It is possible that some people are over ding the drinking during this time. I drink about the same amount. Of course, I'm retired, and I don't do shit anyway.
Cabo stopped all alcohol sales last week but then amended that to only bars, restaurants and convenient stores which aren't open anyway so now you can only buy it at Walmart, Costco and other big retailers but only between the hours of 8am-4pm, lol
No worries, I like the discussion and will talk alcohol anytime
I’m in spirits and wine production.
I still don’t see the quality control that distributors provide. Methanol deaths happen in India, Iran and Russia for example, but are not prevalent in European countries, USA, Canada, etc. Are any quality control tests performed on products for methanol at distributors? Or any other tests?
The three tier system does do a great job at raising prices, which is one of the things it was designed to do coming out of prohibition.
It does create jobs, which is why the price is increased. If you legislate a three tier system for milk, it would raise the price of milk and create jobs. Why not a 3 tier system for every product?
many states limit the licenses of distributors and retailers (like South Carolina, which changed the old antiquated law of only allowing the ownership of 3 stores)
If there were no restrictions on owning your own distribution, some places would take direct shipments and others would still potentially need the services of a distributor. We own our own distribution internationally and contract with distributors in some countries. Should we be prevented from owning our own distribution in these countries (lowering cost to the consumer)?
Concerning other laws:
As a consumer, alcohol labeling laws in the USA are beyond antiquated. Large Producers like these laws and rules, but they are terrible
The TTB tolerance range for alcohol proof was antiquated (they changed it recently due to persistent industry pressure)
There are too many terrible state laws to list... lol
Just curious, in SC with the stay at home order and non-essential businesses supposedly closed, did they close the Red Dot Stores? They didn't close the Pot stores in Cali.
Jesus @Casa_del_Tigre . You're a moron. They literally said nothing like prohibition is coming back.
These are good points to chew on.
I wonder about the financial strain it would put on small producers and/or suppliers (regardless of beer, wine, or spirits) to have to build their own distribution networks, sales teams, operations staffs, etc. be it alone or in partnership with other producers, and if that would be limiting in product flow to the market and not as efficient or effective. I wonder if that might force a large number of producers to shutter their doors. Even if it weren’t mandated, many distributors would survive just due to this. Obviously the Gallo’s, Constellations, Treasury Wine Estates, etc. and even the Jackson Families of the world would be okay. They’ve already got their own distributors in some states.
As far as product testing for safety goes, I’m not aware of that happening (or ever happening), but I do think a third party assuming added liability in a distribution partnership hopefully forces a safer product to the market, if for no other reason than protecting your own business and bottom line as the distributor.
I do like your points, though. They’re well worth considering, and I hadn’t thought about them from your perspective very much before. Not sure I agree with the elimination of the three tiers still, but I like your points. And we do have numerous silly and antiquated laws state by state that are an enormous hassle. We definitely agree there.
what does the government “locking” people inside have to do with this ridiculous thread you started with a misleading title?
It’s not misleading. The WHO has recommended alcohol regulations during this time. Are you saying the WHO doesn’t matter anymore? If so, the lockdown is very relevant.
“But those are two different freedoms....”
It is misleading. They basically said be more like America to the rest of the world when it comes to alcohol sales.
But we already have these very alcohol regulations in place (and have for quite some time) and they don’t mean that prohibition is coming back. At the least, the title of the thread is misleading and sensationalist.
Can someone explain the WHO to me?
Are they based out of China?
All I know about the WHO is it stands for World Health Organization and we paid them $400-$500 million a year, which stopped yesterday.
TIA
Are they based out of China?
All I know about the WHO is it stands for World Health Organization and we paid them $400-$500 million a year, which stopped yesterday.
TIA
no, they are an organization within the UN focused on promoting global health. They are most certainly not based in china
https://www.who.int/about/what-we-do
Tribalism is the real threat we are facing. Who would have thought 15 years ago that Facebook would be radicalizing every boomer in the US?
Well a portion of this board bitches about our president every day, but has no clue about politics/managing a country/policy. So why dont you go bark up that tree as well.
While we are at it, armchair QBs who have never played football they should keep their mouth shut
Also any food lovers out there, if you arent a chef keep your mouth shut.
you want me to keep going? The WHO is a circus right now and everyone can see that. China essentially nukes the entire globe and The WHO is completely turning a blind eye to all that
Facebook has done to our parents brains what they thought video games would do to ours.
I just keep laughing at the conversation you’re having with yourself.
Don’t get me wrong, I think distributors have a place because of the things you pointed out in your first paragraph. I’m definitely not advocating for their elimination or for laws that would favor any particular group (like limiting the number of distributors or producers). I’m just saying that the law is antiquated because it forces you to only sell your product through distributors. I think you should be able to sell direct if you want to. If you need the services of someone who can warehouse distribute and sell, then you should be free to do that too
We contract distributors in other countries that do not mandate 3 tier because of some of the points you brought up. We also own our own distribution in countries where it makes sense.
Imagine if 3 tier went into affect in countries where we own distribution. It would be illegal to own and operate business. Imagine that in the USA?
