It's kind of hard to vote for someone who views themselves as an alternative to our constitutional system, not a part of it. If you view him as a threat to the stability of America, how can you vote for him?
OT: What happens if it goes to a brokered convention?
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It's kind of hard to vote for someone who views themselves as an alternative to our constitutional system, not a part of it. If you view him as a threat to the stability of America, how can you vote for him?
Idiot? The only fault he has is being too loose with his mouth. Other than that he's done a pretty good job in his life corralling people to listen to him.
People growing up in the NYC area have known Donald for 35 years. He's not a knew thing. He's won, he's lost, he disappeared, he came back. Speculated about running for office several times, never did.
I akin Trump to people like Madonna, Rod Stewart, Kris Kardashian. They all appear like no talent asshats but somehow, someway garner the attention of the general public. These public figures are not idiots. The only idiots that could be would be the ones that bought the albums, watch their shows and talk about them.
Normally those followers AREN'T the types to roll out of bed to their local polling place and circle the correct box with Trump's name. But apparently these idiots are doing that.
Here's the most fascinating thing. Trump isn't NEW. He's been the exact same way since I saw him on local NYC news as a kid. He's been selling, mouthing off, insulting, fixing, losing, winning, rebounding, divorcing, marrying forever.
With all his bullshit I would bet the farm his kids would be effed up. It's remarkable how Don JR, Invanka, Eric all clean up very nicely considering his overall persona.
At the end of it, there's a large percentage of people in general(high school dropouts to Masters degrees) have had enough of DC and that game.
Donald hasn't given an eff in his entire life. He rarely has backed down and I think that's why a lot of people are interested in seeing what he can do.
Is that frightening? Absolutely it is to me and many others. But, this is a result of supporting too much nonsense for too long. I do believe he will always have America's interest in hand which will certainly at times create some serious conflict globally.
This game was created from the games of DC.
If that's how you feel, I sure as the heck can't change your mind, and won't try. I mean, you have every right to believe what you want and/or do. But im just saying I thought the last 2 we put up there weren't for the people at all. They were just for Big Government like every other politician, Left or Right. But I voted for them anyways. B/c I couldn't look myself in the mirror and say, "yeah I aint voting either way, b/c they are rich SOB's who only want to further political power", which is how I felt. Turns out my vote didn't count anyways and America spoke. Against me. Sucks, but I tried. That's all im saying.
I don't think any of them care about our constitution, honestly. Maybe Cruz does more so than anyone, but he aint winning. Heck, he didn't even win a county in the most Conservative, Bible Belt State. He's too conservative when the Majority of our country is Very, Very Liberal. Which sucks, but it's the reality.
More likely that Trump wins nomination, loses in landslide to Hillary causing us to lose the Senate. Trump will definitely cost us the senate win or lose. Bitter pill to have an even more liberal justice confirmed after the election than whoever King Obama trots out now.
More likely that disaffected repubicans stay home and we lose the senate as the new swing voters won't support the incumbents of which relive have more seats to defend. Trump is the perfect Democrat Trojan horse.
If you are worried about compromising your Christian values by not voting for Trump and instead voting for Clinton, I'm no sure you and I read the same book.
B/C they've done so much to stop what Obama has done or is doing? They are a joke of a Senate. They aren't doing anything. In fact, they are letting him do everything. Maybe they should go.
Actually this is true of Ted Cruz. The democrats love Donald. He's been their guy for years and he still is. The democrats want trump to win so badly it's not even funny.
They know if trump wins then Hillary will be in the white house, the senate will gain a democratic majority and the house will get close to a democrat majority.
If Cruz were to win the opposite of what I mentioned will happen. The republicans will grow their senate majority and strengthen their house majority. Cruz however will not bow to the mainstream establishment and will actually lead and govern.
Trump only scares people with brains. Mindless lemmings love him though
I think the Republican party "as we know it" is going to crumble, or at least change dramatically no matter what happens.
If Trump wins and has support to the nomination the party is forever changed.
If Trump is blocked from being the nominee by the GOP, it tells the Republican voters across the country that the GOP doesn't care about your vote and they're going to do what's best for the party, pissing a ton of people off and the party will never be the same.
If Trump wins and has support to the nomination the party is forever changed.
If Trump is blocked from being the nominee by the GOP, it tells the Republican voters across the country that the GOP doesn't care about your vote and they're going to do what's best for the party, pissing a ton of people off and the party will never be the same.
The problem is that I think Trump is more dangerous than the socialists. I refuse to make a fools choice. Both are disasters waiting to happen.
So you believe that a democrat senate with Hillary as president is not a threat? With a Trump nomination the democrats secure all three branches of government - one for a long time . Think about that.
I would rather have 70% of something than 100% of nothing
I would rather have 70% of something than 100% of nothing
Which state is that, exactly?
Also, the majority of the country is not very, very liberal. That's not even close to being true. You're listening to the media and hollywood too much if you believe that. There are tons of easily obtainable sources to refute that, but here is just one.
How can she even win if she's under investigation? If these politicians cared so much about our country she would be in jail. I have no idea how she's even eligible? Why is nobody talking about that? Not saying you know the answer, but it blows my mind that none of these guys are talking about it.
It's also not very very conservative. Moderates are the majority but the party's nominate closer to the tails.
Minnesota, to be exact. And maybe im wrong, but it sure as the hell seems like we are as a country. Again, im not an expert. But we certainly aren't very Conservative.
The minority vote will be energized like no other with Trump. Look at how HRC is dominating the minority vote now. Add to that the entire Hispanic population being enraged. Trump will lose by 4 points nationally.
Donald is also under investigation and being audited. We only have crap to choose from. It's a fools choice
No, but their polling shows conservative slightly ahead of moderates. The article even explains how being "moderate" has waned a bit in the past few years. You're right though, the parties don't typically nominate someone who actually appeals to the majority of the American people. They go hard line to their side.
More like 6
.And 6 points costs the Rs the Senate and maybe the house. Drumpf is a disaster for the Republican party. Highest unfavorable ratings in the history of favorability polling. Drumpf + supct in the balance = galvanized base.
Some of the people ITT need to learn that this country is bigger than their immediate surroundings.
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Wait, you are saying that Minnesota is "the most Conservative, Bible Belt State?" What?
Look at the polling. The highest percentage of Americans are conservatives. It is not a majority, but it is the largest group. America isn't "very" anything. The majority of the country falls slightly right of center. Too bad candidates are never really nominated who are in that spot.
What took you so long? Never have understood your concern for the republican party. If you want to face Trump so bad and he's a disaster, then just sit back and watch him destroy it. Somehow, I don't think that's what you want though. One things for sure. Im not worried about Hillary either way... I couldn't possibly care less about the Democratic Party, and I certainly wont try to tell you who's good for you and who's not.More like 6
And 6 points costs the Rs the Senate and maybe the house. Trump is a disaster for the Republican party. Highest unfavorable ratings in the history of favorability polling. Trump + supct in the balance = galvanized base.
Some of the people ITT need to learn that this country is bigger than their immediate surroundings.
Sorry I thought you meant what state did Rubio win. No I would think SC is the most conservative in the bible Belt, But that's just MO after being in several of the bible belt states. Especially the upstate.
Oh, I think I read the same book. Listen, I'm not an evangelical, but I recommend reading this article for a view of Trump from someone who is:
http://nyti.ms/1QIgHXN
If after reading it you can vote for Trump with a clear conscience, then maybe we didn't read the same book.
As for someone recommending a vote for a 3rd party candidate, I guess it depends on where one lives. Might make sense in South Carolina or California, two states that really won't be contested even if the majority party ran a proverbial yellow dog. But I live in hotly contested Virginia. A vote against Trump needs to go the Clinton or it heightens the likelihood Trump carries the state.
I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that people like myself (I have voted Republican since 1996) will not cast a vote for Trump. I can't see any circumstance under which I will vote for Trump. There's no way in hell I will vote for Hillary so I will probably just vote for myself or the Libertarian to help them get fed funds. I believe a brokered convention is a real possibility. I also believe a complete fracture of the Republican party is a real possibility. These will be interesting times.
im on the west coast, so i was mostly sleeping
.my concern is for someone like donald drumpf co-opting an entire political party. I think politicians like john kasich and jeb bush are good for our country. they have substantive policies they honestly believe will make the country better, they understand certain tenants of leadership and governance, like the need to compromise, and they arent demagogues. Thats how a democracy works.
Donald is a narcissist and a liar. he is bad for our country in every way imaginable. i have no interest in seeing the republican party fall apart, if in its wake, a party run by ted cruz and donald drumpf emerges.
the democrats could run a literal donkey and he would beat donald drumpf. you are ignoring objective polling and reality if you think donald drumpf has a chance in the general. we will see the highest hispanic turnout in history if donald is nominated and it wont take much effort to engage a galvanized democratic base (especially if bernie is our VP nominee). Donald loses nationally by 6+ and the Rs fracture. Highest unfavorability ratings ever. ever. Im for preventing extremists from having power. For instance, bernie is too much of an idealogue for me. a fractured R party gives extremists the chance to take some.
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You said, "Maybe Cruz does more so than anyone, but he aint winning. Heck, he didn't even win a county in the most Conservative, Bible Belt State."
The most conservative state in the Bible Belt is Mississippi by almost all counts. They haven't voted yet.
If you were trying to say that Rubio or Cruz didn't win any counties in Minnesota that's also incorrect. They are the only 2 to win any districts (they don't vote by counties there). Trump won none in Minnesota. Although, I am not sure why Minnesota matters.
No, lol. Sorry for the confusion. I was saying that Cruz didn't win a country in arguably the most conservative state in the bible belt.
I respect you opinion. But Hillary isn't?im on the west coast, so i was mostly sleeping
my concern is for someone like donald trump co-opting an entire political party. I think politicians like john kasich and jeb bush are good for our country. they have substantive policies they honestly believe will make the country better, they understand certain tenants of leadership and governance, like the need to compromise, and they arent demagogues. Thats how a democracy works.
Donald is a narcissist and a liar. he is bad for our country in every way imaginable. i have no interest in seeing the republican party fall apart, if in its wake, a party run by ted cruz and donald trump emerges.
the democrats could run a literal donkey and he would beat donald trump. you are ignoring objective polling and reality if you think donald trump has a chance in the general. we will see the highest hispanic turnout in history if donald is nominated and it wont take much effort to engage a galvanized democratic base (especially if bernie is our VP nominee). Donald loses nationally by 6+ and the Rs fracture. Highest unfavorability ratings ever. ever. Im for preventing extremists from having power. For instance, bernie is too much of an idealogue for me. a fractured R party gives extremists the chance to take some.
im on the west coast, so i was mostly sleeping
my concern is for someone like donald trump co-opting an entire political party. I think politicians like john kasich and jeb bush are good for our country. they have substantive policies they honestly believe will make the country better, they understand certain tenants of leadership and governance, like the need to compromise, and they arent demagogues. Thats how a democracy works.
Donald is a narcissist and a liar. he is bad for our country in every way imaginable. i have no interest in seeing the republican party fall apart, if in its wake, a party run by ted cruz and donald trump emerges.
the democrats could run a literal donkey and he would beat donald trump. you are ignoring objective polling and reality if you think donald trump has a chance in the general. we will see the highest hispanic turnout in history if donald is nominated and it wont take much effort to engage a galvanized democratic base (especially if bernie is our VP nominee). Donald loses nationally by 6+ and the Rs fracture. Highest unfavorability ratings ever. ever. Im for preventing extremists from having power. For instance, bernie is too much of an idealogue for me. a fractured R party gives extremists the chance to take some.
As a person without a vested interest in the candidates that appear likely to run against one another, I think you're fooling yourself big time here. You probably live in a state that votes Democrat no matter what is my guess so you could be totally unaware of the realities out there. I CANNOT STAND Trump but I would favor him to win any general election at this point. If you think otherwise, we'll see what happens. Trump should focus on unifying people and stop insulting the folks he's running against. He needs to build a coalition and seem less threatening to those of us who voted for other candidates. If he can do that he can succeed. The energy is about 4 times higher on the Republican side this time around.
Democrats are in denial about just how bad their choices are. I suspect the Democrats are on their way to the same place the Republicans are in now. Both parties have failed America and the people have lost faith. It's unfortunate the choices that are being made now but this was the ultimate outcome of all the hate filled rhetoric we have seen over the last several elections.
Ok. So you're saying Cruz didn't win a county in SC. Fair enough.
Though SC is not anywhere close to being the most conservative state in the Bible Belt. SC has historically been Libertarian (or somewhere close to it). Recent polling puts SC as the 6th most conservative state in the Bible Belt. I think where you live and who you are around might be skewing your perspective a bit. To be fair I have no idea where you live or who you are around, I'm just guessing.
You are correct that Cruz didn't win much in the evangelical south. That does not bode well for him at all Nationally. He should drop out. If he can't win more in the south, he isn't going to change things outside of the south.
The iceman is in denial!
Hillary is a pox upon the land who is even more self serving than Trump and that is quite an accomplishment.And Ted Cruz is one of the must unlikable politicians I have ever seen in my life.
Americans have only themselves to blame for Trump. I think it will be interesting to watch the lengths the Republican establishment will go to in order to make their voters' votes not count. The people have spoken. The establishment better watch out or else they'll lose their jobs when its their turn.
I agree. I'm cautious with voting for anyone who, literally, can cause the death of my children. Call me a pessimist, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to help put Donald Trump in office. I can't and won't vote for him. He's nuts, and there is no way I put my children in his hands.
Not voting for the republican nominee, whoever that may be, is the same is basically giving half a vote for Hilary. It is still your choice, and if you truly have no preference between the two then stay home. But, if you do, you are essentially voting for Hilary- which is you right to do. But to claim that staying home is in no way voting for Hilary is not truthful. If you are not adding to the total number of votes for one side, then you are essentially adding to the total for the other.
LOL. I think you and others are giving way too much weight on what a president can and can't do. The spectrum shifts just slightly one way or the other. Honestly, about the only thing you can bank on our next president doing is appointing 3 supreme court justices.
Have fun knowing you contributed to the disasters that Hillary will appoint to the Supreme Court.
Hillary will kill our kids and then lie to us about it. I can't see any way I can vote for Trump but Hillary is way worse. That people don't see that is scary. She stood in a hanger and lied to the families of dead Americans about what caused the death of their family members. There is no lower low than that.
Agree. Good lord man. Donald, (cruz and Rubio too) are like little kids but Hillary is a different animal. I just miss guys like the Bush's who at least had class and respected the office.
And declare war. Jesus, I don't want Trump in that position.
