Uh, you could simply replace 'Hillary' with 'Trump' and come to the same conclusion by that logic.
OT: What happens if it goes to a brokered convention?
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Uh, you could simply replace 'Hillary' with 'Trump' and come to the same conclusion by that logic.
I know one person who is going to be talking about it very soon.
It's funny you say that...people are turning out in record numbers for the Republican primaries & a vast majority are voting for Trump...More like 6.
And 6 points costs the Rs the Senate and maybe the house. Trump is a disaster for the Republican party. Highest unfavorable ratings in the history of favorability polling. Trump + supct in the balance = galvanized base.
Some of the people ITT need to learn that this country is bigger than their immediate surroundings.
The thing is, when the dust settles & Trump is the nominee, most of these "Republicans" that say they can't & won't vote for Donald Trump, actually will...even some in this very thread...
Once Trump is the nominee, names a running mate, & starts hammering Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, people WILL change their minds...matter of fact, most conservative will Trump once he sets his sights on Clinton b/c he will blast her like no one's been blasted before...
Trump's not the idiot some of y'all say he is...remember, he was supposed to be out of this race before the fall of 2015.
Dude, I don't even pay attention to Hollywood. I sure as the hell don't care what they say when it comes to politics, lol. I thought you were smarter than that man. Im 31 years old, I believe the same age as you. Im not sure when it changed, but as long as I can remember the Media has never good for anything. If you seek the media to back or prove your point or help you make a decision, well I don't know what to tell you. But c'mon man, nobody cares what this guy says. And you know that. I hope.
John Oliver is british and the show is shot in NYC.
What you are saying is that anything on TV = hollywood? Why not watch it and respond to the substance?
And I do recognize that media is often biased. But that doesn't stop me from consuming a variety of sources with varied biases.
My favorites?
Vice
The economist
StratFor
NYTimes
Financial Times
I don't have to watch him to know that we obviously have different opinions. That's cool, I don't care where he's from. Most of everything we watch on TV yes, is controlled to a sense to shape people's opinions. Hell even ESPN does it dude lol.But to answer your question, I don't need him, a british man, to tell me my thoughts on America.
But you do know you can watch a TV show and not adopt, wholesale, it's position on an issue. He makes many valid points and raises interesting facts.
And you are an old man compared to me. I'm only 30
But you do know you can watch a TV show and not adopt, wholesale, it's position on an issue. He makes many valid points and raises interesting facts.
And you are an old man compared to me. I'm only 30
No I understand I that, I really do. I guess I take the stance of if I watch things like that then in a round about way im supporting them by watching it. I don't like to support those types of people. But I do Like listening and picking my own info. I mainly enjoy radio. One of my favorites is Wallbuilders, by far. And reading a lot of anything Jefferson wrote.
Hate to nitpick here but "the vast majority" of voters are actually voting against Trump - or right now for candidates not named Donald Trump.
Soon he may get the majority of GOP votes but right now, with four candidates still in the race, he's getting a plurality, not a majority.
Trump's not the idiot, that's the segment of the population that voted for him. Trump is PT Barnum on steroids, a true marketing genius.
Look I am not saying Trump is a devout Christian. He said recently he has never asked God for forgiveness. That by definition is not a Christian. But my point is if you think Clinton is any better you are foolish. Trump is more likely to protect our religions liberties than Hillary. That is a fact.
Uh, Duh? What's your point? If a Democratic voter stays home and doesn't vote bc they don't like the nominee, then they are essentially giving a partial vote for the republican candidate, yes. That is exactly my point. Unless you like/dislike both candidates equally, and you really don't care which one wins, then not voting is idiotic.
The people that say they are not voting because they cant vote for candidate "x" based on principle, even though they don't want candidate "y" to win are just lying to themselves, or are stupid. There has never been a candidate that held my exact viewpoint on every issue, and I am fairly confident this is the case for everyone. So in reality, people vote for the candidate they agree with on the issues that are most important to them. Its all about the degree to which you agree with a candidate. The fact that you agree with candidate "x" on 30% of the issues instead of 80%-90% of the issues really shouldn't matter if you only agree with candidate "y" on 10% of the issues.
In reality, this really only matters in possible swing states. Still, it matters a great deal in those states.
I strongly agree that, in VA, you should vote for one or the other. However, you will not be voting for a Christian no matter which one you vote for. If you think HRC is a Christian, and Trump is not, then you are one confused person. Neither one are Christians, so that should not even enter into a decision making process when it comes to who to vote for between those two.
If you don't think your religious beliefs will allow you to vote for someone who is not a Christian, then I can respect that. I don't agree with that view, bc I think God would want you to vote for the candidate that would that would be the least harmful to the country, but that is jmo. Still, everyone should strive to do what you feel God would have you do. This is the only scenario in which not voting can be justified.
I agree. I cant stand Rubio and think he's a terrible Politician. I mean, I seriously wouldn't want to vote for the guy to do anything, ever. But you can bet your bottom dollar i'll be cheering on Rubio if he wins the nominee. Damn I can't set back and watch Hillary (who should be in jail) or Bernie who, well jeez.. I cant sit back and not vote so they can win it.
But, you are also trying to tell him that there's some sort of obligation because of his Republican voting history. That if he didn't vote Trump, he essentially casts his vote for Hillary, and therefore has taken responsibility for it.
Again, yes this is exactly what I am saying. But it is true for both sides. It would be the same thing as not voting (for Hilary) if you are a Sanders supporter.
Personally, I think everyone has an obligation to vote. But, you have the Right not too. My point, again, is that no one can justify not voting at all just because you don't really like "your" candidate. Math dictates that not voting at all = you don't care who wins. You can not truthfully say don't want candidate "x" to win if you do not vote for candidate "y".
I think you may misunderstand my view. I never meant to imply that I would vote only for a Christian. Not the case at all.
However, my values - which are shaped by my Christian faith - would not permit me to vote for Trump who demonstrates no such values. Bernie Sanders, for instance, was raised Jewish and proclaims no religion. While I don't subscribe to his political beliefs, I feel he is a man of character and values. Trump is neither.
So it is the Christian VALUES I am alluding to, not the faith.
And you are the first person I can recall who questioned HRC's faith. To suggest she would be worse in protecting religious liberties when Trump has already proclaimed his bias against Muslims is a stretch.
so you feel like god would have you judging others' religious beliefs? god would be super down with you usurping his role right? i mean, you are pretty much the pope, AMIRITE?
and, fyi, HRC is very clearly a christian women, such that liberals complain about it all the time (which is stupid). but you stating she isnt a christian is based on what, your feelings? INFOWARS?
"Hillary Clinton grew up in a Methodist household, she taught Methodist Sunday school like her mother, is a member of a Senate prayer group, and regularly attends the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington."
http://www.religionnews.com/2016/01/29/hillary-clinton-religion-methodist/
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So, I cant judge her Christian beliefs and say she is not a Christian, but you somehow have the divine knowledge to assert that she is, in fact a Christian? Not sure how that works exactly?
FYI- Just bc someone goes to church does not make them a Christian.
jesus h. christ. you cant be serious. ill respond though, even though your tiny brain doesnt see a difference between accepting a person's stated faith, and telling people that same person must be lying about said stated faith, because you just know...
but i tend to take people at their religious word, because, who am i to judge them on that particular issue. obviously, you think you ARE worthy of judging a person's religiousness.
maybe you cant read though? she, literally, taught religious school, regularly attended church, speaks frequently about prayer, and was and is involved with prayer groups. but you are right, she probably isnt a christian based on whatever assine definition you have in your head. thats real christian of you. and shes probably just been pretending to be one since she was 2. because what 2 year doesnt want to be president one day? AMIRITE?
I did somewhat misunderstand what you were saying.
As to your statement about Trump and religious rights, I think it is either a stretch on your part to view his stamen about Muslims as a religious freedom issue, or a misunderstanding of his view on the matter.
Trump is not my guy, and I certainly do not want him as president, but I happen to agree with his view(as I understand it) on this matter. My understanding is that he thought there should be a temporary halt to Muslim refugee entry into the country until we could find some way to vet those coming in to the country. I am for not letting anyone who could be a threat/terrorist in the country, and our fbi director has stated that we can not vet the refugees currently being granted entry into the country. Therefore I think we should stop letting people in that we cant vet.
One of my problems with Trump is that he seemingly uses inflammatory language on purpose just to get a reaction. The fact of the matter is that I do not know of, or have not heard of any terrorist coming from the middle east who do not claim to be Muslims. So just from a factual standpoint, Muslims would be the group from which we would expect to find terrorist. I do not view this as religious persecution. He has stated that if we can vet them, then he has no problem granting them entry just bc they are Muslim.
i believe that donald drumpf is a christian, yes. do i think he is pandering to the religious right when he says things like two corinthians at liberty university? absolutely. but i still believe him when he says he is a christian.
