People are crazy yall. All over some crappy fast food breakfast place

[hopefultiger13]

System working as intended as far as I can tell.

The old man deserves a Darwin award for sure and honestly, it's pretty hard for me to feel that sorry for him.

BUT you can't go around punching people for what they say. A lifetime ban from Dunkin sounds about right. That dude hit an old guy and he died because of it. I'll give the guy that hit him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't mean to kill the man. But he damn sure meant to hurt him (the whole punch to the face thing gives that away).

As is pointed out in the article,

• Manslaughter is intentionally committing an act without lawful justification that causes the death of another person, where the death was not intended.

Hard to argue that the system isn't working properly here.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I did read the article. The deceased trespassed the employee's place of business, yelled obscenities, and then refused to cease hostilities once inside.

At that point, the employee had a reasonable apprehension of fear and stood his ground, at least under Florida law. Again, if the law permits a teenager to be stalked and met with gunfire, then the employee's punch to someone who invaded his workplace is more than justified.

There are countless examples of stand your ground laws protecting people who go on the offensive in much more questionable scenarios than this one.

This is just a silly take. Even this is probably overly simplifying things, but "stand your ground" has to do with giving people a legal defense when they defend themselves against violence. Words are not violence, unless they are a credible threat. But it really just seems like you're trying to troll by bringing up the whole Trayvon Martin thing (and not even correctly representing it).

 

[tigerGUY]

It's not exactly Clemson-sports relevant.

Boxing is a sport. 😮

 

[Toasted712]

If I called your wife a bitch, you’d punch me right? Hell I’d hope so.

Nah I’d probably laugh because anyone calling another guy’s wife a bitch for no reason has either: a tiny penis or such low self esteem they can barely function or mental health issues or a combination of the three.

I’d just ignore you and keep walking. You’re obviously just trying to get a rise and escalate a situation to a physical altercation so you can prove to everyone around how big and tough you are. Goes back to you’re the one with serious issues and no self worth.

if you continued I’d do something passive aggressive like slip you a psychiatrists number. Justified and deserved or not, violence with a random person is not a good idea.

 

[tigerGUY]

System working as intended as far as I can tell.

The old man deserves a Darwin award for sure and honestly, it's pretty hard for me to feel that sorry for him.

BUT you can't go around punching people for what they say. A lifetime ban from Dunkin sounds about right. That dude hit an old guy and he died because of it. I'll give the guy that hit him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't mean to kill the man. But he damn sure meant to hurt him (the whole punch to the face thing gives that away).

As is pointed out in the article,

• Manslaughter is intentionally committing an act without lawful justification that causes the death of another person, where the death was not intended.

Hard to argue that the system isn't working properly here.

If there are different degrees of manslaughter just like murder, the dude should receive a lighter degree of manslaughter IMO. 6 months and a few years of probation seems fair. The old fart apparently felt fvcking froggy when he said it again.

 

[hopefultiger13]

If there are different degrees of manslaughter just like murder, the dude should receive a lighter degree of manslaughter IMO. 6 months and a few years of probation seems fair. The old fart apparently felt fvcking froggy when he said it again

I have no problem with that. No question that the guy was asking for a punch to the face.

 

[tigerbytes1979]

Florida

Heavens waiting room.

 

[Trading Tiger]

If I called your wife a bitch, you’d punch me right? Hell I’d hope so.

LOL of course not, why would I? "I called your wife a bitch!"

Anyone who knows me or my wife knows that that is the exact opposite of what she is, she is a true Saint who makes Mother Teresa look petty and selfish. I don't care about the opinions of people who I don't know and who don't know me. I promise you, my wife would be more pissed at me for punching you than she'd be mad at you for calling her a silly name.

Some people think that fighting proves they're tough, "nobody talks about my mommy/wife because I'm so tough" LOLOLOL. On the contrary, unless you're in the military, or some sort of professional fighter, fighting proves that you're a pussy. If all I have to do is say "yo momma" to get to you, well, you're a yuuuuuuuge pussy.

Remember when Isaiah Battle clocked that NC St player? Yeah, dude was running his mouth the whole game, probably deserved to be punched, but in the end, the only thing that happened was Battle showed everyone that the NC St guy had power over him. All it took was some words, and the dude completely owned him. It cost us 15 yards, and Battle was ejected (maybe worse), good thing the game was already over at that point.

I'm a man (I'm 40!), and I'm mature. What that means is that nobody has any sort of power over me whatsoever. Say whatever you want, because we both know, I'm the bigger man, I have all the power. Do you not have any siblings? You must not or you would understand all of this already. I learned it when I was about 8.

I have a little sister, and I loved to pick on her. I wanted her to react to what I was saying or doing, that showed me that I had power over her. My parents taught her to ignore me, and that absolutely drove me crazy. She took away all that power I had by simply ignoring me. Seeing how effective it was on me, I started using the same strategy whenever anyone tried to mess with me. It was glorious, but on the other hand, it was also quite dangerous for a person to reach that level of maturity and power at such a young age.

 

[tigfan92]

Tampa Dunkin' manager charged with manslaughter in death of customer

Hillsborough State Attorney Andrew Warren's office released a detailed chronological account of a May 4 incident now receiving national attention and scrutiny.What happened: Corey Pujols was working as manager at the Dunkin' on South 50th Street in Tampa when a regular customer began verbally...

www.yahoo.com

Old dude was asking for it. And he got it. I say let the manager go back to work tomorrow.

 

[DW4_2016]

If I called your wife a bitch, you’d punch me right? Hell I’d hope so.

i'd love to see your bitch wife in real life so i could call her that in front of you and take your trailer home and all your guns and trucks in court. you are my favorite type of moron.

 

[Every name taken]

If I called your wife a bitch, you’d punch me right? Hell I’d hope so.

No. But his girlfriend?

 

[Trading Tiger]

I did read the article. The deceased trespassed the employee's place of business, yelled obscenities, and then refused to cease hostilities once inside.

At that point, the employee had a reasonable apprehension of fear and stood his ground, at least under Florida law. Again, if the law permits a teenager to be stalked and met with gunfire, then the employee's punch to someone who invaded his workplace is more than justified.

There are countless examples of stand your ground laws protecting people who go on the offensive in much more questionable scenarios than this one.

Really? I know Florida has some messed up laws, but I'd really like to read about these some of these examples. I think you are misunderstanding what it means to "go on the offensive" vs striking preemptively. Going on the offensive is absolutely OK, starting the fight is not.

And regarding the Zimmerman/Martin deal, you're confused. The law does not permit one to stalk someone and then shoot them. What the law does allow is for one person to follow another in a public place. If the person being followed doesn't like it, the law does not permit them to assault and batter the person following them. But, if that is what they choose to do, the law does permit for the first person to defend himself against the second person.

 

[wmnesbitt]

It is a slippery slope to allow one man to hit another and excuse the death that results because he said mean words.

But our country has been living on slippery slopes a lot lately.

 

[scartiger]

This happened to a friend I met doing plumbing for him and his mom. He started the confrontation in the parking lot with his wife in the car. He died from the fall after being hit but he started it. The man at Dunkin didn't start a altercation physical so they are a difference.

No charges in case of retired deputy who died after punch in parking lot

There will be no charges in the death of a retired deputy killed when he fell and hit his head during an altercation, Greenville police said in a release Monday.

www.wyff4.com

 

[santee]

I’m of the opinion that this is the underlying reason as to why restaurants and other hospitality businesses aren’t able to fill open positions.

Elevated unemployment is a part of it, sure. But folks are also seeing the way these employees are being treated and aren’t willing to deal with that every day.

Nah that is not the reason.....the reason is people prefer to sit home and get paid ridiculous unemployment money than go to work

 

[santee]

And if you died from the punch he goes to jail.

Yes I would hit you if you called my wife a disgusting name....but I would not hit you if you called me an insulting name

 

[Clemblack]

And if you died from the punch he goes to jail.

Not necessarily

 

[santee]

Cops had been called .....should have waited

 

[Baloney_Pony]

Wonder if the old guy was under the influence?

And as previously said, this was plain bad luck. This shit happens at every USC Clemson game and little league tournaments but usually no one dies.

 

[FranktheDank]

I’m of the opinion that this is the underlying reason as to why restaurants and other hospitality businesses aren’t able to fill open positions.

Elevated unemployment is a part of it, sure. But folks are also seeing the way these employees are being treated and aren’t willing to deal with that every day.

You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat fast food employees.

 

[ClemsonGentleman]

A perfect example of why we have a court system where you are innocent until proven guilty and trial by jury.

As my favorite law enforcement officer of all time Chief Reuben Greenberg often said, the police's job is to arrest people they perceive to be breaking the law, and it's the Court's job to determine innocence or guilt.

I guess it is headed the route of the OJ case. Criminal Court not guilty. Civil court pay the Man's family.

 

[CU_4734]

System working as intended as far as I can tell.

The old man deserves a Darwin award for sure and honestly, it's pretty hard for me to feel that sorry for him.

BUT you can't go around punching people for what they say. A lifetime ban from Dunkin sounds about right. That dude hit an old guy and he died because of it. I'll give the guy that hit him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't mean to kill the man. But he damn sure meant to hurt him (the whole punch to the face thing gives that away).

As is pointed out in the article,

• Manslaughter is intentionally committing an act without lawful justification that causes the death of another person, where the death was not intended.

Hard to argue that the system isn't working properly here.

Probably most rational post of the thread, including my own. I would say though that once threats and incitement of violence from the deceased come into play, the area is gray, especially in a stand your ground state.

 

[other1]

Assault and battery on an elderly person is like hitting a woman

 

[chassc]

If George Zimmerman can stalk a teenager to death, not sure why this guy was arrested.

This one still blows my mind. Unbelievable.

 

[Toasted712]

Nah that is not the reason.....the reason is people prefer to sit home and get paid ridiculous unemployment money than go to work

Apparently you've never dealt with the general moronic public for a living. If I did not have to deal with all the Karen's out there, but still got paid. You bet your freaking ass I'd take the no work thing, pride be damned.

I don't think you realize truly how much of people's shit you deal with at a low restaurant or low end retail for how little you make. For.... 40 or 50k a year? Yeah that's going to be a no from me dawg.

The entire waitress and waiter profession is dying anyway by an iPad that sends the order directly back to the kitchen with any instructions/modifications you wrote in the next 10 years at every fast food place and probably a lot of low end restaurants. All they will do is run food and refill drinks. I can see them staying in mid level and fine dining. Those are the only ones worth a shvt, for the most part, in the profession anyway.

 

[BigPapaWhit]

If I called your wife a bitch, you’d punch me right? Hell I’d hope so.

I'd ask, "how you know her?" Then tip back my beer.

 

[CUFam98]

This happened to a friend I met doing plumbing for him and his mom. He started the confrontation in the parking lot with his wife in the car. He died from the fall after being hit but he started it. The man at Dunkin didn't start a altercation physical so they are a difference.

No charges in case of retired deputy who died after punch in parking lot

There will be no charges in the death of a retired deputy killed when he fell and hit his head during an altercation, Greenville police said in a release Monday.

www.wyff4.com

Well....technically the Dunkin guy DID start the physical altercation. Pujols is the one that walked around the counter toward the old racist. Pujols can't claim self defense because he walked toward "the danger." However, the old man was the INSTIGATOR. I'm just not sure that will hold water in a trial for manslaughter.

I'm glad I'm not on the jury because it would be a tough one to decide. Ultimately it would have to come down to very fine points of law that I'm not even sure I'm qualified to decide someone's fate over.

 

[scartiger]

Well....technically the Dunkin guy DID start the physical altercation. Pujols is the one that walked around the counter toward the old racist. Pujols can't claim self defense because he walked toward "the danger." However, the old man was the INSTIGATOR. I'm just not sure that will hold water in a trial for manslaughter.

I'm glad I'm not on the jury because it would be a tough one to decide. Ultimately it would have to come down to very fine points of law that I'm not even sure I'm qualified to decide someone's fate over.

From what I read the man just verbally abuse the employee never once tried to fight. So that is a big difference in my opinion.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Probably most rational post of the thread, including my own. I would say though that once threats and incitement of violence from the deceased come into play, the area is gray, especially in a stand your ground state.

I agree 100%. I'm not a fan of stand your ground laws. If someone is legitimately threatening you and you "stand your ground" and end up killing them, in a reasonable system, you should get off every time, and rightfully so. HOWEVER, when legislatures start trying to codify this kind of thing you get that shit that went down in Florida, now we are wondering if it's OK to be a citizen on patrol and if you get in trouble, using the stand your ground rule as a defense? Nope. You want to put citizens on patrol, I have no problem with that, but you need to have this kind of thing organized and not use a common sense law that was never intended to be used like this.

If this old dude had taken a swing, or pulled a knife or gun. We wouldn't be having this conversation. And in the case of the knife or gun, the guy that killed him would be a hero. But that didn't happen. This was verbal assault, of a nasty racist kind. But it was only words... This was a job for the police. The guy that hit him lost his shit (and I can understand that), but the result of his actions killed a man. And when you kill someone, even unintentionally, you are going to end up paying for it... and rightfully so.

 

[krfuquamd]

Would those suggesting the puncher be left alone feel different if he had, instead of punching the old man in the face, put a gun to his head and shot him dead? Same result, same circumstances, different weapon. How about if the employee had been white and the old man black and the old man was calling the employee, just for arguments sake, a "white trailer trash ******"? Or just a ignorant white cracker? Where do we draw the line folks?

 

[HumasButthole]

Would those suggesting the puncher be left alone feel different if he had, instead of punching the old man in the face, put a gun to his head and shot him dead? Same result, same circumstances, different weapon. How about if the employee had been white and the old man black and the old man was calling the employee, just for arguments sake, a "white trailer trash ******"? Or just a ignorant white cracker? Where do we draw the line folks?

Reverse the rolls and the same thing still applies lmao. I can’t believe the shít I’m reading, this isn’t hard. You tell the man to leave, if/when he doesn’t comply, you call the cops. If he brandishes a weapon, makes a threat or an action toward an employee, then you knock his ass out

Someone being an asshole doesn’t justify physical violence. But so many people are so whipped up into a fervor over racism they somehow think it’s ok. It’s not. Get over it, the old man is a racist, ok, what now? Is it open season on people because they’re racist?

 

[Howard's Jock]

i'd love to see your bitch wife in real life so i could call her that in front of you and take your trailer home and all your guns and trucks in court. you are my favorite type of moron.

calm down

 

[Every name taken]

You can tell a lot about a person by the fact that they eat fast food.

FIFY

 

[FranktheDank]

Reverse the rolls and the same thing still applies lmao. I can’t believe the shít I’m reading, this isn’t hard. You tell the man to leave, if/when he doesn’t comply, you call the cops. If he brandishes a weapon, makes a threat or an action toward an employee, then you knock his ass out

Someone being an asshole doesn’t justify physical violence. But so many people are so whipped up into a fervor over racism they somehow think it’s ok. It’s not. Get over it, the old man is a racist, ok, what now? Is it open season on people because they’re racist?

I agree that physical violence isn’t acceptable. In this case I would need to know the answer to the following questions before I could find the dude guilty of manslaughter:
1. Was it a sucker punch, or was the victim in a fighting posture?
2. How big a boy was the victim?

 

[southerncaltiger]

I agree that physical violence isn’t acceptable. In this case I would need to know the answer to the following questions before I could find the dude guilty of manslaughter:
1. Was it a sucker punch, or was the victim in a fighting posture?
2. How big a boy was the victim?

1. Good question. I'd say it was a sucker punch. Most likely, both of them had their hands by their sides, not just the 27 year old (article says hands were by his side). BTW, I thought the guy was much younger...didn't realize he was a 27 yr. old man.
2. I'm guessing the 77 year old wasn't an intimidating, hulking figure. Angry old Racist? Sure seems like it. Plus, this apparently wasn't a one-time visitor...both articles I read characterized the older man as "a regular".

At the end of the day, unless there's an imminent threat (frothing at the mouth & coming at me with with a big knife), you don't knock out old folks and you don't beat women.

 

[PAWrocka]

... so much virtue signaling in this thread ...

 

[C-TeamHOF]

There is a show on Netflix called trial by Media. In the first episode called "talk show murder" a man basically humiliates another man by telling the world on a tv talk show that he had a crush on him. Embarrassed the guy buys a gun and kills the guy.

I understand it is not in the heat of the moment like what this thread is talking about but my premise is no matter how embarrassed, angry, humiliated, or hurt you feel by what someone says to you, you still cannot assault/kill them. This seems like common freaking sense. I mean wth are we talking about? Are so many people justifying this because of the racist part of the story? That's NOT justifiable homicide.