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Saudi Oil - Green Energy?

Oh I should mention most of the hyperbolic ranting about moving to EV vehicles is just that

We are talking many years and a long runway

The investment will not be in billions nor trillions but tens of trillions if not hundreds of trillions and probably 50 to 100 years to build out the infrastructure
 
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Oh I should mention most of the hyperbolic ranting about moving to EV vehicles is just that

We are talking many years and a long runway

The investment will not be in billions nor trillions but tens of trillions if not hundreds of trillions and probably 50 to 100 years to build out the infrastructure

because I am working on a project in my retirement involving EV
 
No serious people, and nobody in Congress, is advocating that we all of a sudden turn off all the god damn fossil fuel production. Literally everyone who has thought about this for even a second understands we cant do that. Not aoc, not warren, not biden, not Bernie. Literally nobody is arguing we turn it all off on a dime.

Biden just did with the War on Fossil Fuels

We will need the maximum from fossil fuels for another 50 years at least if not 100 years until we get the infrastructure in place
 
No serious people, and nobody in Congress, is advocating that we all of a sudden turn off all the god damn fossil fuel production. Literally everyone who has thought about this for even a second understands we cant do that. Not aoc, not warren, not biden, not Bernie. Literally nobody is arguing we turn it all off on a dime.
Why the anger?

Didn’t the green new deal call for removing airlines? Maybe Fox News just said that. Anyhow.. you seem upset these days in regards to Biden/Dems poor performance in power.
 
Why the anger?

Didn’t the green new deal call for removing airlines? Maybe Fox News just said that. Anyhow.. you seem upset these days in regards to Biden/Dems poor performance in power.

The green new deal was a single page document, it's not a real bill. You can read it here.


It does not specifically call for the end of air travel.

And you are damn right I'm mad about the current administration. They are a disaster.
 
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We don't need chargers. You are missing the point entirely. We need power generation and we need to know how we're going to generate power going forward. In a number of states right now there are rolling brownouts to deal with our power issues. The person who is basically the father of the electric car has stated that they're not set up to be more than about 20 to 30% of the total vehicles on the road. We do not have the resources to make the batteries for the cars. Electric vehicles are not a solution that will solve all problems. I have had an electric vehicle so I understand this very well. People on the left seem to all think about the endpoint without understanding how we're going to get there. I'll never understand how you can miss that part.

The administration isn't doing squat about this because no one is willing to make the call on what we have to do. We have to generate power and to do that we're going to need to go with nuclear or natural gas or oil or coal. These other generation techniques will not create the power supply we need. That's just a mathematical reality.

So as I said there is no plan. This issue is far too political for people to be thinking clearly. Which is part of the problem because we have to stop politicizing everything.
i wanted to touch on this because i agree with a large portion of it.

i'd recommend reading the thread below as it's a very smart idea on how the US can position itself for the future.
 
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i wanted to touch on this because i agree with a large portion of it.

i'd recommend reading the thread below as it's a very smart idea on how the US can position itself for the future.

This guy gets it. 100% onboard with this. It shouldn't be a partisan issue. It is so obvious what needs to be done.

Good thread. It makes so much sense, I expect our politicians (both sides) to ignore it.

 
Biden shut down sources of USA oil production under the auspices of the Green New Deal. Fossil fuel is bad. ⛽️ Given that, why is Biden is the Middle East oil cartel stumping for their fossil fuel? What technology do the Saudis use to make their fossil fuel "Green"?

Policies have consequences. Gas prices are up because Biden shut down domestic sources. Now pollution will resume at higher prices from foreign sources. Americans are the big losers. How do the Democrats defend this strategy? Very curious.
Funny how many Americans of all political stripes seem to believe that the US is the driver of oil/gas prices when OPEC+ controls >50% of global production.

Also funny how people fail to discuss the effect of coronavirus on oil and gas production. I'm very confident that US production is down more from the bankruptcy wave in the industry in 2020-21 than it is from a reduction of oil and gas leases on federal property.
 
You didn't need to use this many words to share that you don't understand how science works.
Explain or show me the formulas that prove carbon warming. You can’t, they don’t exist, they’re using models. Models are what’s used when you’re missing so many variables you can’t prove your “theory”, and that’s all this is, an unproven theory. So stop talking out your ass about science.
Science has not proven much of anything about something they don’t even completely understand. Atmospheric scientists have admitted they think they “might” know 20% of how our atmosphere works- in other words they don’t even know- how much they don’t know. And we’re supposed to destroy our way a life around the planet to supposedly, pie in the sky, limit the global rise in temperature by hopefully 1-1.5 degrees. and they can’t prove what exactly will happen when it does that anyway.
The earths temp has been rising steadily for the last 20,000 years since the end of the last ice age. That’s science
Search the phrase. “ global temperature pause” I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve never heard of it. The temp rise has slowed significantly since the mid’90’s when since that time, hundreds of millions of cars have been added to the roads.
They still can’t accurately measure 3 billion cubic miles of atmosphere from sea level to 100,000 ft. now and can get some rough estimates from satellites. That’s science.
From studying ice core samples from long ago geologists have discovered the atmosphere has had multiple times more CO2 in the atmosphere before, but we’re still here. That’s science.
The “science” you speak of is double speak and talking points based on an agenda with no provable work. It’s why they can’t predict the weather accurately every day or even most days, even eight hours in advance in a small area like the Upstate. I’ve seen forecast highs change as much as eight degrees from 8am to 4 pm in the Upstate many times- for that day! Its why they can’t accurately predict the path of a hurricane even 24-36 hours in advance with certainty.
It’s a small minority of climate “modelers” proclaiming that man is causing our planet to warm. I’ve been in a climate modelers chat room, there is very little agreement about this issue and it’s clear they all have different ideas and many different factors they look at and can’t agree upon how they all affect each other. The atmosphere is at this point incomprehensibly complex and enormous and constantly changing. I have found many many scientists who publicly disagree with this hypothesis but they are ignored. They have an extremely hard time getting their work peer reviewed and published. The scientific community has largely been high jacked by the left. Polling of university professors bear out the overwhelming majority of professors self identify as left of center, over 90%. So forget about this being some conspiracy Theory.
 
Really interesting discussion about climate on this Joe Rogan podcast. Something everyone should listen to for consideration if nothing else.

 
The green new deal hasn't been passed, isn't law, and isn't even a real bill. Plus, Biden has repeatedly said he doesn't believe in it.

So, you've entirely ruined your credibility by posting nonsense.

Nevermind that we still pay among the lowest gas prices on the planet, and prices are up everywhere. Is it your argument that Biden is responsible for gas prices going up around the world?

But, elections also have consequences. Democrats believe, generally, in transitioning away from fossil fuels. Don't like it? Beat us in 2022 and 2024.

Y'all need to stop being little bitches.
So righteous and so obtuse.
 
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The green new deal hasn't been passed, isn't law, and isn't even a real bill. Plus, Biden has repeatedly said he doesn't believe in it.

So, you've entirely ruined your credibility by posting nonsense.

Nevermind that we still pay among the lowest gas prices on the planet, and prices are up everywhere. Is it your argument that Biden is responsible for gas prices going up around the world?

But, elections also have consequences. Democrats believe, generally, in transitioning away from fossil fuels. Don't like it? Beat us in 2022 and 2024.

Y'all need to stop being little bitches.

You're right about the green new deal. But I would expect you'd also acknowledge that when people refer to this it isn't necessarily the specific proposal but rather a general belief which you referenced with what Democrats believe in. I would think most people are in favor of transitioning away from fossil fuels. But only if we have something to transition to. The problem isn't what Democrats believe. It's that they believe it and as per usual in politics, they have no damn idea how to get there. Kind of like Republicans campaigned against the ACA for years and then had no plan on how to fix things. I'm more interested in having a plan endorsed by both sides so we can have a coherent policy moving forward. The elections have consequences line is ridiculous when it comes to things like energy policy which require us to have a decades out approach.
 
Speaking of green energy ......Barclays estimating $150T required for this green energy plan.

 
any additional comments beyond a zerohedge tweet? i can't find anything online about this
 
I for one agree with you on elections have consequences

Looking forward to the Red Wave and believe it or not keeping Biden in power under the thumb of the Conservative majority

Also maybe in 24 if conservatives sweep into power then there can be like 7 or 8 conservative Constitutionalist Jurist on the court or new appointed

I also agree that we should transition away from fossil fuels over the next Century to a Nuclear and Hydrogen fuel cell based economy

We are probably needing 1000 modular nuclear reactors at this very moment

Think that a nuclear air craft carrier has a small city so yes small reactors are possible

i like the solar and wind as what could be called botique or special application sources of power

I cannot imagine under any circumstances of supporting our population under any scenario

It is simply not possible with todays technology but may be in 200 years

I speak from experience as I have worked with numerous sources of power generation

Fossil fuels will play a part in our energy production for at least another 100 if not 150 years

I will encourage you to practice what you preach

Please lead by example and shut down on your personal life all uses of fossil fuel energy and also oil based products

I throw down the gauntlet

You do it for the next five years and show me how to do it

After you have demonstrated how it is done for 5 years by you personally I will gladly follow your lead

In the meantime in my life I am going to enjoy many sources of oil and carbon based products and energy

For now I plan to be a glutton for oil and in 5 years we can compare who did the better job

So shut it down today and get that buggy and horse and move in with the Amish

Enjoy the heating with dried dung for fertilizer instead of oil based

But be careful as they use kerosene in lamps so candles and oak wood it will be

Good luck on the Quest Don Quioxte wannabe
I like this... very reasonable pitch and I agree on the fossil fuels pitch to a certain extent. One thing I'd like to point out. Solar energy is most certainly NOT boutique. According to the Dept of Energy, 173,000 Terawatts of solar energy strikes the earth continuously. That's 10,000 times the earth's energy usage. And contrary so some dumbasses soundbite, the sun IS always shining. It's a big ball of fusion 1000 times as big as our planet , it's good for the next few billion years, and costs us nothing. Along with fusion, it's the holy grail of energy sources (and since it's fusion driven... I'd guess that fusion is the single holy grail). It's figuratively raining soup 24/7/365.

Now you are absolutely correct in that we simply can't collect enough energy yet and we are dependent on fossil based fuel for a while. That's just the reality of the situation. Furthermore, these "sustainable" sources of energy come with an inherit problem... storage. We have not addressed this at all until very recently because our energy systems depended on fuel that was already very storable. You have a pile of coal, tanks of oil/gas/natural gas and you burned that for instant energy. Storing the energy was never an issue as you can make the energy as needed.

Batteries come with problems of their own (although I do think that these problems are solvable), but batteries simply can't store the large volumes of energy needed to run everything. We need ways to store that energy for later (think lifting a weight/liquid up/fly wheels/batteries/creating steam or other hot fluids). There's the real rub right there. Again, all these problems are solvable, but we simply aren't there yet. We are kind of at the point now that we were 120 years ago with fossil fuels ... yep it's going to be good stuff, but we aren't very good at using it yet.

So I'm with you! I'll be filling my car with gas and living my life with fossil fuels. Now I might buy an electric car, put some solar panels on top of the house, and generally support the process of changing over (even if it's more economical to not do so at this point), b/c we do need to change over.

I'm actually OK with buying Saudi oil and keeping our reserves in the ground... Not b/c of some new green deal or whatever nonsense the left spouts this week, but b/c at SOME POINT we are going to run out of oil... and if we aren't far enough along the road of sustainable energy, things are going to get ugly fast. Better to keep our stuff for those days... and even if we do get away from fossil fuels, no amount of alternate energy is going to replace the plasics we need... gotta have carbon products for that.
 
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not getting back to pre-covid levels of production, but it's a step in the right direction
 
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