Seriously, how can anyone support this?

[TigerGrowls]

Pot meet kettle.




WEAPONIZATION: The Democrats were certain Trump would lose in 2024 and end up in jail or live in exile. Here is Jennifer Rubin explaining how she's love to see Trump shipped off to Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, or Russia. Fast forward to 2025 and she's livid a criminal gang members here illegally was deported to El Salvador.

h/t @listen_2learn

 

[dbjork6317]

Pot meet kettle.

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WEAPONIZATION: The Democrats were certain Trump would lose in 2024 and end up in jail or live in exile. Here is Jennifer Rubin explaining how she's love to see Trump shipped off to Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, or Russia. Fast forward to 2025 and she's livid a criminal gang members here illegally was deported to El Salvador.

h/t @listen_2learn

Yeah that’s not what she says. I swear conservatives on twitter are just doing a social experiment to see how much different the description of the linked material can be from the actual linked material and still get people to retweet it. You constantly post tweets that make a claim, then have linked material that disproves that very claim. Its like a practical joke at this point.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Yeah that’s not what she says. I swear conservatives on twitter are just doing a social experiment to see how much different the description of the linked material can be from the actual linked material and still get people to retweet it. You constantly post tweets that make a claim, then have linked material that disproves that very claim. Its like a practical joke at this point.

LMFAO!!! I just listened to the short video again and thats exactly what she said. Are you sniffing glue tonight bro?

 

[TigerGrowls]

🚨 WOW, EVEN CNN? Chief legal correspondent Paula Reid goes on the news and says Trump is *NOT* violating the Supreme Court ruling by not flying Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to the U.S.

Will Democrats listen now?

"They did NOT order the administration to return him to the United States. They said that they need to facilitate his return. They could have said 'we order him returned,' but they didn't do that."

@StephenM and @MarcoRubio said this yesterday in the Oval Office, and so did AG Bondi.

"The Supreme Court appeared to defer to the executive branch given that this is an international matter, and you see, yes, it does look a little bit like a semantic game, but they are playing within the bounds of what the Supreme Court ruled."

"So no, they are not defying this order."

What do you do now, Democrats, when you lost CNN?

Total embarassment.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Dems in action.

 

[gardentiger]

Please show the part of the constitution that states what you say and then show us some rullings from scotus to back up that interpretation.

You're making a point out of thin air. "The whole world lives under the Constitution" sort of thing. Full stop. I need to see a ruling on judicial interpretation. Perhaps the Trump WH is moving to get just that.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

You're making a point out of thin air. "The whole world lives under the Constitution" sort of thing. Full stop. I need to see a ruling on judicial interpretation. Perhaps the Trump WH is moving to get just that.

Not the whole world, but every person within the jurisdiction of the United States, yes.

It is the 5th amendment. It doesn't say no citizen, it says no one. The 14th added state gov'ts.

What is to stop any government official from deporting a political opponent to another country? Giving someone the opportunity to defend themselves, show they are here legally and haven't committed crimes IS due process. If after said due process they are here illegally, or have committed crimes that changes a legal status, etc, they could be deported.

 

[TigerRagRob]

I hate the first amendment too. We should be deporting anyone who doesn’t agree with us.

You only hate it when people you dont agree with uses it...

 

[WapPride]

This issue starts and stops with the fact that these people weren't afforded due process. Everything else is secondary to that truth. Due Process is afforded to all PERSONS (citizen and non-citizen) in the United States. Trump's administration violated the constitution by not affording these people due process, and that is a fact. Is he or is he not an MS-13 member? I have no idea; there's been no credible evidence to support it, but regardless if he is or isn't - it's moot. Even if he was a gang member, he is supposed to be afforded the protection of Due Process.

 

[dpic73]

TRUMP: If they are criminals and if they hit people with baseball bats over the head


Will Pelosi's attacker be first to go?

 

[DW4_2016]

You only hate it when people you dont agree with uses it...

Use it*

You do realize you’re making fun of yourself?

 

[hopefultiger13]

Please show the part of the constitution that states what you say and then show us some rullings from scotus to back up that interpretation.

Here you are:

The 5th Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime , unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property , without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation .

Note the "no person" (not citizen). But as is pointed out above, you couldn't care less about the constitution if Trump wants to get around it.

 

[MTTiger19]

Here you are:

The 5th Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime , unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property , without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation .

Note the "no person" (not citizen). But as is pointed out above, you couldn't care less about the constitution if Trump wants to get around it.

If this is a constitutional argument and that’s what’s important, it appears any type of gun control or regulation is also unconstitutional.
You good with that?
I seem to remember all sorts of common sense approaches to make sure this right isn’t being taken but not abused, that not a better solution?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

 

[dbjork6317]

Not the whole world, but every person within the jurisdiction of the United States, yes.

It is the 5th amendment. It doesn't say no citizen, it says no one. The 14th added state gov'ts.

What is to stop any government official from deporting a political opponent to another country? Giving someone the opportunity to defend themselves, show they are here legally and haven't committed crimes IS due process. If after said due process they are here illegally, or have committed crimes that changes a legal status, etc, they could be deported.

Yeah, this is it. If the federal government can arrest someone and put them on a plane to another country without consequence then they can effectively imprison anyone for anything without due process at all. Putting someone in a foreign prison is a work around for habeas corpus because even if an American court rules that the person is wrongfully imprisoned they have no jurisdiction over a foreign government.

The feds utilizing foreign prisons is a potentially an absolutely catastrophic development. The moment a US citizen is sent to a foreign prison we will be in an existential crisis.

 

[TigerGrowls]

😂 😂 😂

 

[TigerGrowls]

Here you are:

The 5th Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime , unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property , without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation .

Note the "no person" (not citizen). But as is pointed out above, you couldn't care less about the constitution if Trump wants to get around it.

You guys never read the Constitution appendix........person is defined as a US citizen.

 

[Rahskie]

This issue starts and stops with the fact that these people weren't afforded due process. Everything else is secondary to that truth. Due Process is afforded to all PERSONS (citizen and non-citizen) in the United States. Trump's administration violated the constitution by not affording these people due process, and that is a fact. Is he or is he not an MS-13 member? I have no idea; there's been no credible evidence to support it, but regardless if he is or isn't - it's moot. Even if he was a gang member, he is supposed to be afforded the protection of Due Process.

I researched this and it is true that everyone is afforded due process. I am not sure what the actual answer is to give 15M people (could be 20M going back years) due process around their claims of asylum.

We all know that tons of them were coached to claim this.

Is it your opinion that we need to give everyone their day in court? I would surmise that quite a few will not show so how would you address that?. What would be your approach to "giving everyone due process" Or, do you just want to give them all citizenship?

I am truly curious as to what you think.

 

[dpic73]

You guys never read the Constitution appendix........person is defined as a US citizen.

🤣

AI Overview

The U.S. Constitution does not contain an appendix that defines "person." However, the term "person" is used extensively throughout the document, and its meaning is generally understood to refer to individuals, not just human beings, but also legal entities like corporations.

 

[WapPride]

I researched this and it is true that everyone is afforded due process. I am not sure what the actual answer is to give 15M people (could be 20M going back years) due process around their claims of asylum.

We all know that tons of them were coached to claim this.

Is it your opinion that we need to give everyone their day in court? I would surmise that quite a few will not show so how would you address that?. What would be your approach to "giving everyone due process" Or, do you just want to give them all citizenship?

I am truly curious as to what you think.

I think that everyone who is accused of a crime should be able to defend themselves in the court. If that’s not the case, then what are we even doing as a country? Assuming individuals who aren’t held until their court date no show, then the next time they’re grabbed by police/ice/whoever then they are held without bail until their hearing. It’s the same thing we do with anyone who skips a court hearing.

The whole concept of due process is to allow individuals to defend themselves against govt accusations. It’s a fundamental tenet of this country and this administration is completely ignoring it - and a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling in the process. If you aren’t disgusted by this whole situation then i don’t see how you can call yourself patriotic.

 

[Rahskie]

I think that everyone who is accused of a crime should be able to defend themselves in the court. If that’s not the case, then what are we even doing as a country? Assuming individuals who aren’t held until their court date no show, then the next time they’re grabbed by police/ice/whoever then they are held without bail until their hearing. It’s the same thing we do with anyone who skips a court hearing.

The whole concept of due process is to allow individuals to defend themselves against govt accusations. It’s a fundamental tenet of this country and this administration is completely ignoring it - and a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling in the process. If you aren’t disgusted by this whole situation then i don’t see how you can call yourself patriotic.

OK....I can accept that we have laws for a reason. Where was the patriotism when Biden let them all in illegally? Why didn't someone on the left (a patriot maybe) stand up and say this has to stop? This was already a difficult problem that Biden made 10,000 times worse. Biden knew entering the country over the border was illegal, yet he not only let it happen but actually supported it. Since he knew it was illegal but did nothing, can we now say he is not a patriot?

I will ask again, do you support all 15-20M illegals having their day in court?

 

[dbjork6317]

OK....I can accept that we have laws for a reason. Where was the patriotism when Biden let them all in illegally? Why didn't someone on the left (a patriot maybe) stand up and say this has to stop? This was already a difficult problem that Biden made 10,000 times worse. Biden knew entering the country over the border was illegal, yet he not only let it happen but actually supported it. Since he knew it was illegal but did nothing, can we now say he is not a patriot?

I will ask again, do you support all 15-20M illegals having their day in court?

Yeah why didn’t the Democrats write a law to address illegal immigration that was endorsed by border patrol agents? Surely if they had done that it would have passed because Republicans would never have not voted for it for political reasons, right?

 

[WapPride]

OK....I can accept that we have laws for a reason. Where was the patriotism when Biden let them all in illegally? Why didn't someone on the left (a patriot maybe) stand up and say this has to stop? This was already a difficult problem that Biden made 10,000 times worse. Biden knew entering the country over the border was illegal, yet he not only let it happen but actually supported it. Since he knew it was illegal but did nothing, can we now say he is not a patriot?

I will ask again, do you support all 15-20M illegals having their day in court?

Biden deported more people than any president had before. Despite what you may get from whatever news sources you consume, we did not have open borders during his presidency. He had more arrests, deportations, and contacts at points of entry than any other president. These are all provable facts.

Biden worked on a bipartisan immigration bill that Trump and others on the right killed bc they didn’t want to give Biden a win. Was it a perfect solution? No, of course not. But it was a step in the right direction. Making it easier for people to request asylum and expediting their review should be something we all agree on. However, too many on the right are buying into this “poisoning the blood of America” bullshit and it’s starting to veer into ugly waters.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden

 

[Rahskie]

Yeah why didn’t the Democrats write a law to address illegal immigration that was endorsed by border patrol agents? Surely if they had done that it would have passed because Republicans would never have not voted for it for political reasons, right

Come on, really?.....the democrats did write a law (bill) to address the border that let the flow continue. Republicans shut it down as it did not stop the flow. Biden could have done the exact same thing Trump has done and SHUT THE BORDER DOWN. No law needed as there was already one on the books that made entering the US illegal.

 

[dbjork6317]

I’m glad you acknowledge that the Republicans killed a bill that would have addressed known challenges at the border.

 

[MTTiger19]

OK....I can accept that we have laws for a reason. Where was the patriotism when Biden let them all in illegally? Why didn't someone on the left (a patriot maybe) stand up and say this has to stop? This was already a difficult problem that Biden made 10,000 times worse. Biden knew entering the country over the border was illegal, yet he not only let it happen but actually supported it. Since he knew it was illegal but did nothing, can we now say he is not a patriot?

I will ask again, do you support all 15-20M illegals having their day in court?

They’ll have zero answer for this. Just fyi. Most likely a bunch of laughing faces as reactions.

 

[MTTiger19]

I’m glad you acknowledge that the Republicans killed a bill that would have addressed known challenges at the border.

Right, is that why border crossings dropped from 170k a month to about 1000? What bill was passed to start enforcement at the border because it was damn near immediate! Trump wins and all the sudden the border is secure and people aren’t coming in droves, was that magic??? From that bill killed by republicans? lol.

 

[WapPride]

Right, is that why border crossings dropped from 170k a month to about 1000? What bill was passed to start enforcement at the border because it was damn near immediate! Trump wins and all the sudden the border is secure and people aren’t coming in droves, was that magic??? From that bill killed by republicans? lol.

Disregarding for a minute that numbers began trending downward in 2024, it’s easy to drive numbers down when you completely refuse to accept asylum seekers. So congrats on turning away people fleeing for their safety/better life for their kids.

 

[MTTiger19]

Disregarding for a minute that numbers began trending downward in 2024, it’s easy to drive numbers down when you completely refuse to accept asylum seekers. So congrats on turning away people fleeing for their safety/better life for their kids.

20 million of them? What’s the plan bro? Your claim is border crossings are down 95% because asylum seekers are staying home. Omg that’s hysterical. lol.

Secondly, what took sooo long? It took them 3.5 years to figure this out. And what did they do? Get it from 170k to 168k?

 

[WapPride]

20 million of them? What’s the plan bro?

Secondly, what took sooo long? It took them 3.5 years to figure this out.

Border apprehensions in 2024 per month never exceeded 150k, and by July were around 50k/month and dropping. Yes, they had spiked to record highs in 2023, but Biden was able to work a deal out with Mexico to help curb them.

I’ve never considered the border to be much of an issue, because I view immigration as a positive. I think it’s a useful tool to rile up dullards and keep them angry about something. Do I believe in open borders? No. I believe in an efficient immigration system that doesn’t take 10 years and thousands of dollars to legally work through.

 

[dbjork6317]

20 million of them? What’s the plan bro? Your claim is border crossings are down 95% because asylum seekers are staying home. Omg that’s hysterical. lol.

Secondly, what took sooo long? It took them 3.5 years to figure this out. And what did they do? Get it from 170k to 168k?

And the loss of due process and free speech is the price you’re willing to pay for less border crossings?

 

[MTTiger19]

Border apprehensions in 2024 per month never exceeded 150k, and by July were around 50k/month and dropping. Yes, they had spiked to record highs in 2023, but Biden was able to work a deal out with Mexico to help curb them.

I’ve never considered the border to be much of an issue, because I view immigration as a positive. I think it’s a useful tool to rile up dullards and keep them angry about something. Do I believe in open borders? No. I believe in an efficient immigration system that doesn’t take 10 years and thousands of dollars to legally work through.

That’s cute. You support a position because it “riles up dullards”, what’s that make you? lol. It dropped literally 95%. You’re wrong about crossings as well as usual. Keep riling up the dullards lol. And ignore the fact that more illegals entered America from 2020-2023 than any other period in the history of our country. The D’s absolutely had to change course. They were in jeopardy across the board and you know it. Americans (dullards as you call them) were pissed and it showed in November.

• March 2024: 189,372 total encounters along the southwest border, including both U.S. Border Patrol encounters and individuals presenting themselves at ports of entry.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Yeah why didn’t the Democrats write a law to address illegal immigration that was endorsed by border patrol agents? Surely if they had done that it would have passed because Republicans would never have not voted for it for political reasons, right?

Thats a lame @$$ load of sh1t response and everyone knows it. You can do better than that. What Trump did in less than a month blows all the dem talking points to hell.

 

[MTTiger19]

And the loss of due process and free speech is the price you’re willing to pay for less border crossings?

Do you give a shit about anyone else? How about the communities ravaged with fentanyl and areas ridden with crime from immigrant gangs? Do those people matter? How about people in vehicles hit by illegals that aren’t licensed to drive? Happens all the time, that ok with you? What about Laken Riley? That cool? They broke our law by entering the country illegally, full stop. Expedited removal says they can be deported without due process, full stop. That’s the law, full stop.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Disregarding for a minute that numbers began trending downward in 2024, it’s easy to drive numbers down when you completely refuse to accept asylum seekers. So congrats on turning away people fleeing for their safety/better life for their kids.

Total BS lies from the left. There is less than 1% that are fleeing anything. This is engineered from the commiecrats that are hell bent to destroy the US as we know so they can rebuild a socialist world vassal state and you guys endorse it which is sad.

 

[WapPride]

That’s cute. You support a position because it “riles up dullards”, what’s that make you? lol. It dropped literally 95%. You’re wrong about crossings as well as usual. Keep riling up the dullards lol. And ignore the fact that more illegals entered America from 2020-2023 than any other period in the history of our country. The D’s absolutely had to change course. They were in jeopardy across the board and you know it. Americans (dullards as you call them) were pissed and it showed in November.

• March 2024: 189,372 total encounters along the southwest border, including both U.S. Border Patrol encounters and individuals presenting themselves at ports of entry.

Notice I said apprehensions, not encounters.* Attention to detail is important, and I'm starting to realize how you became an adult with children and not realize how tax brackets work.

*https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rossings-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-under-trump

 

[dbjork6317]

Do you give a shit about anyone else? How about the communities ravaged with fentanyl and areas ridden with crime from immigrant gangs? Do those people matter? How about people in vehicles hit by illegals that aren’t licensed to drive? Happens all the time, that ok with you? What about Laken Riley? That cool? They broke our law by entering the country illegally, full stop. Expedited removal says they can be deported without due process, full stop. That’s the law, full stop.

I’m not sure what thread you think you’re in but this thread is specifically about one of the people who was here legally, has been here legally, has no criminal record, yet has been arrested solely because of speech. If your answer to the issues you bring up is that legal residents and US citizens have to lose their right to due process and freedom of speech, then that’s not something I can go along with.

If we are going to get into the topic of what we need to do to protect Americans, many many more Americans are killed daily by gun violence than they are by illegal immigrants. Is your stance on gun regulation the same as your stance or border regulation?

 

[MTTiger19]

Notice I said apprehensions, not encounters.* Attention to detail is important, and I'm starting to realize how you became an adult with children and not realize how tax brackets work.

*https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rossings-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-under-trump

Lol

 

[MTTiger19]

I’m not sure what thread you think you’re in but this thread is specifically about one of the people who was here legally, has been here legally, has no criminal record, yet has been arrested solely because of speech. If your answer to the issues you bring up is that legal residents and US citizens have to lose their right to due process and freedom of speech, then that’s not something I can go along with.

If we are going to get into the topic of what we need to do to protect Americans, many many more Americans are killed daily by gun violence than they are by illegal immigrants. Is your stance on gun regulation the same as your stance or border regulation?

I asked earlier, is your stance on the second amendment the same as the fifth? Doesn’t appear that way.

And keep in mind YOU replied to my post specifically about illegals. Calm down Francis.

 

[MTTiger19]

Notice I said apprehensions, not encounters.* Attention to detail is important, and I'm starting to realize how you became an adult with children and not realize how tax brackets work.

*https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rossings-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-under-trump

Notice my original post was about crossings. Attention to detail is very important. It’s no wonder you think crossings are down because asylum seekers are afraid to come. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard lol.

 

[yoshi121374]

Do you give a shit about anyone else? How about the communities ravaged with fentanyl and areas ridden with crime from immigrant gangs? Do those people matter? How about people in vehicles hit by illegals that aren’t licensed to drive? Happens all the time, that ok with you? What about Laken Riley? That cool? They broke our law by entering the country illegally, full stop. Expedited removal says they can be deported without due process, full stop. That’s the law, full stop.

Is this all that fentanyl coming from Canada you are referring to?

Also, love the victimhood of MAGA. It's Mexico's fault we are addicted to drugs and overdosing?