It’s a lot easier to argue against made up positions of an opponent.
Seriously, how can anyone support this?
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Imagine being the type of person who starts a tweet with "terror" in all caps.
These stupid mfs TERROR lmao
Do you think foreign gangs in the US committing organized crime and receiving directions from a hostile foreign head of state is anything less? Thats why they have the word terrorisim. The left was happy to call white republicans domestic terrorist.
All the illegals in your area should be sent to your house to live with you and your family. Put your money where your mouth is. It's time to pony up.
I call her brotherf***er since she married her brother to get here.
Personally, I don't think you should be able to hold a high office in this country if you weren't born here. That was fine 200 years ago, but it should not be happening now.
🚨 BYRON DONALDS SAID IT PERFECTLY: "When it comes to due process, that is a privilege reserved for American citizens."
"When people are in our country illegally, there is a semblance of due process, but not nearly at the level of a United States citizen - of an American. There are two different standards."
"You come to America, you are a guest in the United States. That privilege can be revoked. And a lot of these illegal aliens were not guests. They showed up at the southern border, Joe Biden abused our laws, ignored our laws, and let them in. So what are the American people supposed to say about that?"
What does due process mean? It doesn;t have to mean sitting down in front of a judge. The lawyer for MSNBC actuallly pointed this out yesterday. There are many instances where the Supreme Ct has ruled due process can be given in 24 hours.
I'll link his argument when i find it.
I'll link his argument when i find it.
Go look at the time, place and manner (TPM) limitations that all colleges MUST put in place to ensure that protestors do not negatively impact other people with their protest. Tons of info on this on Google.....also it is not just for schools/universities. As an example, here is some info from Google regarding "place" aspects of TPM.
"Place: can restrict loud speech in a hospital zone, outside a medical clinic, near a church during services, or outside a school when classes are in session. It can also prevent certain types of businesses, like adult movie theaters, bookstores or strip clubs from opening in certain areas because of the “secondary effects” that result – for instance, if the government can prove that this would bring an undesirable element to a residential area or near a school or church. Place restrictions are based solely on the effect speech might have on the immediate surroundings and people, regardless of what is being said"
TPM is used so that protestors don't protest at 1AM during exam week (time), so they cannot protest inside classrooms or where it disrupts campus access (place) and where there is not violence or destruction of property (manner). The TPM rules are in place to allow free speech on campus in a structured way.
TPM usually requires protest organizations to request to protest (forms/applications) in a designated area, at a designated time where they can then chant and say basically whatever they want....even things like kill the jews, get a tree get a rope, white is right etc. I am sure if the last two were said, most Universities would classify it as hate speech and disband the protestors, but TPM "should" allow any type of free speech IF DONE WITHIN THE RULES OF ORGANIZED PROTEST ON A CAMPUS.
All these encampments and what happened at Columbia yesterday were violations of TPM and the Universities decided not to enforce their own rules.
So, you see, free speech is not just unilaterally protected by the Constitution.
Why should they be sent to my house? Sorry, missing the connection between my post and your response.
How’s this still raging on. It’s unbelievable to see the amount of hand wringing over due process. For those of you that are hellbent on making sure any person, regardless of citizenship, that steps foot onto American soil gets due process were you at least consistent in this demand during the timeframe of say 2009-2017? If not I would love to see you stfu. If so, please come and tell us why you were fighting for that during that period under that administration. So let’s see how many are making a legit claim or just bitching bc they don’t like orange man.
I’m not going to @ people to call them out even though I really want to. It’s clear as day who you are. I’d ask you one simple question. How can you sit back and watch this? Put yourself in these people’s shoes and show some damn empathy. People are dying for this, it’s not right. What an insane hill to die on.
"And for our governor to get up on national television and say he's going to protect these people?-- No angel families' acts of death could be considered an 'accident' because if the government had done their job and deported these criminals, they would not have been there to kill our families."
"And for our governor to get up on national television and say he's going to protect these people?-- No angel families' acts of death could be considered an 'accident' because if the government had done their job and deported these criminals, they would not have been there to kill our families."
You’re right, he wasn’t able to wipe out that debt, but he did wipe out barbed wire and impediments to keep our borders safe and secure, he removed ICE and Border Agents from the border, he provided illegals with phones and money and travel, was that legal? Were you up in arms then? I know the answer. It’s comical how important following the law to the letter is when Trump is in office in comparison to the previous four years.
This is what I was referring to: "undeniable Constitutional protection for all people on our soil (full stop)--while folks who cross the border illegally may not have respected our laws, we (as a country) have an obligation to observe the supreme law of the land"
You concede that these people are here illegally, but yet you want them to be treated as Americans. My point was, it would be just like me invading your home in the middle of the night, and when you called the po-po (rightly so), I asked for my due process. You folks never think about anything until it affects you.
The law would treat each of those situations differently, but should be used in each case.
Due process doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want, or can't be sent back, etc. It is the process of determining that they are in fact illegal. That is all. There are immigration laws that says what rights they need to be given, etc. Believe it is often as simple as going before an immigration clerk or something. If the law allows for it (which it obviously does) they can even be locked up in the meantime.
No one, literally not one person, is saying that no one can be deported, criminals or otherwise. They are saying they are afforded due process, which doesn't mean they can't be deported, but that the process of deporting them must be followed as laid out by law.
Illegal aliens mass imported due to treason by potus do not get due process like an American citizen. No way ever. Trump declared a national emergency at the border and it is still in effect. These illegals would have grand kids born here by the time they get the due process you are advocating.
This argument is getting so tired and all you're doing is arguing with a ghost. Every non-maga on this board has repeatedly said the same thing but you refuse to listen.
We all agrree that illegal immigrants should be deported, especially ones that are convicted of crimes - do you understand that statement? Ok, hold that thought. However, we do not agree that you should be able to just nab someone off the street without knowing who they are or if they actually committed a crime and send them to a death camp in El Salvador where they are cut off from the rest of the world. Do you understand that statement?
If this can happen to them, it could happen to anyone and that's the concern. Just prove it first and then we're all cool, that's it. This isn't theoretical because we know of several cases of people who shouldn't have been sent there and now they're stuck because Trump refuses to being them back. That's wrong, do you understand?
That's the whole argument from our side so why y'all keep beating this dead horse is bewildering. Enough sheesh
LOL, yes it is because you completely ignored what I said and now you're trying to own me with a post from a gross maga creep that says something about liberals being opposed to deportation. We are NOT opposed at all so please get that through your thick skull lol.
I would fully expect that if I didn't end your life while invading my home, you would be entitled to due process. Absolutely. I'm still not following you here.
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You never will get my point because you are bleeding heart liberal.
You would never end my life while I was invading your home, BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER INVADE YOUR HOME!
We're not even talking about a house. We're talking about a country.
I was just addressing your allegory. I'm still on the undeniably correct side of the Constitution here, but respect that you have different feelings.
Due process is literally the process where you determine they are an illegal alien that was mass imported.
This feels like us right now:
Me: Say it with me
Me: Deport people
You: Deport people
Me: After going through
You: after going through
Me: the legal process to do so
You: the legal process to do so
Me: deport people after going through the legal process to do so
You: you want to keep mass murders and gang bangers and believe there’s nothing that could be done, open borders and never deporting anyone
We. Do. Not. Have. The. Resources. Your bff completely and intentionally overloaded the border with illegals by incentivizing them to break the law. You’re trying to oversimplify this. This is unprecedented in our nations history and has to be treated as such. Maybe next time make sure your team follows the rules when its their turn so the new team doesn’t have to clean up the disaster. This entire issue was brought on by complete mismanagement, or worse the intentional erosion, of our borders by the Biden administration FULL STOP. It wasn’t congress. It wasn’t Trump. It was DEMOCRATS! This is not in any way a black and white constitutional argument and trying to make it that is disingenuous to most and disrespectful to those that have been impacted in many ways. You don’t get to promote and incentivize active law breaking and illegal activity and then scream for a legal solution, rife with court appointed attorneys and judges and appeals, etc. This will eventually lead to people taking this into their own hands. You don’t want that or maybe you do, your teams rhetoric would suggest they wouldn’t mind a little civil pop off. Your team intentionally broke the law, now they’re rubbing it the American people’s faces and telling them that we have to go through the court system, all while they’re chilling with armed security, the people are telling you and your boys F off, wake up bro.
I’d like to recommend a book for you, “The Coddling of the American Mind”. Read that.
