That sounds great but most of the statues these nutjob, lazy communist bastards want to tear down were not the type of person you described.
Abe Lincoln? George Washington? Teddy Roosevelt? GTFO.
So now they want to change the National Anthem?
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That sounds great but most of the statues these nutjob, lazy communist bastards want to tear down were not the type of person you described.
Abe Lincoln? George Washington? Teddy Roosevelt? GTFO.
How about the ones being removed or vandalized that didn't have nothing to do with slavery?
There is a difference between saying you want to greatly improve the country that you love and trying to burn down a country when you don't get your way. I am not a Trump fan so I don't want this to be perceived as defending Trump. Trump says a lot of ridiculous stuff that I strongly disagree with, but he was elected President of the United States by the people. His voice/opinions/decisions should be heard and should not be censored.
Well, the militant speaks. I am sure you agree with burn it down. The BLM mantra. Despicable.
Are you trying to win some kind of "Worst Poster Award" today or something?
Yes, the BLM mantra is "Burn it Down". Good post, you really added something there.
Mostly because the Nazi's were left wingers...that's why they call it National Socialist Workers party.
I was in the middle, but when everybody on the left got totally detached from any form of reasonable argument I made may way on over to the right the past couple of weeks.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”
Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.
Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it.
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Or you can continue believing what you see on Facebook.
Then you were never in the middle
I imagine most of the protesters would respond with a blank stare of ignorance if you asked them who Mao or Lenin were. The organizers and much of the democratic leadership is a different story.
right, i disagree with you so i'm the problem. could not agree more
Has nothing to do with disagreeing. But if you agree that it's ok to loot, burn, destroy, and vandalize buildings,statues, monuments, and to take over 6 blocks in Seattle yes you're part of the problem.
You think the left would consider God Bless America as a replacement??
Not really, although I have been working for many Native American tribes for the last 5 years.
My wife descends from Cherokee Indians on her Father side of the family. Irish on the other side. We both trace our roots to the first two ships to land at Plymouth Rock. Over 20 of my direct lines fought in the Revolutionary War on the winning side. The latest any of my direct lines came to America was in the 1700 hundreds. I am a true American Mutt that has direct lines from North Africa, France, England, Ireland, Wales, Sweden, Germany and Spain. We were the very first Settlers of Anderson, Pickens and Oconee Counties that was Cherokee Indian land before my ancestors ran them into the North Carolina mountains for siding with the British. Yes, Clemson is located on tribal land. My wife doesn't want it back.
one of my best friends is a DC fire fighter. His time is split between the fire truck and the ambulance. He has some amazing stories to tell ( as all first responders do). Sure there are BLM protestors but from his description the protests range from BLM, LBGTQ, climate, reproductive rights, immigration ..... basically all these douche canoes came out of the wood work. He said it’s a sea of rainbows and bullshit and the black residents of DC are pissed that their cause has been hijacked by white gender studies and philosophy students.
Look at this shit .....
I say that to say this .... a lot of those protestors absolutely know who Mao, Lenin, Castro, and Che are but they only know that they stood for “equality” and stood against the “evils” of capitalism. Their college professors skim over the chapters involving blight/famine, inflation, and genocide. They fail to teach these children that their hero’s came to believe that “all are equal ... but some are more equal than others”.
Animal Farm should be required reading by all.
And just some numbers ... between 1500 and 1860 approximately 10 to 15 Million Africans were forcefully transported from Africa to North America. Awful ... terrible ...
Since the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 it is estimated that 200 Million people have died worldwide because of hunger, sickness, or murder associated with modern socialism revolts. (Majority of deaths in the Soviet Union and China of course ... but socialism always ends in murder and death)
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I agree with defund the media!
I think a lot of our problems would go away if the 24x7 News cycle was broken ....
I agree with you. But we have a radical nation. That's what makes us unique and special. From the start we were a bunch of upstart rebels who thought they could do it a totally different way updating on the run. I don't mind radical ideas as long as there's a process where we can say yes we'll try that or also no we ain't trying that. The answer is always a mix of what's offered. But I agree with your post and why some people may react that way.
IDGAF about this battle between the left and the right. I just said the current song is bad and gave two better options. All the nutjobs can fight this one out.
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you're wasting your time. people who are stupid enough to think that Nazism is a far right ideology aren't worth debating. i mean, hell, the Nazis gained notoriety and power in the '20s and '30s by aggressively stomping out any communists they could find. As in fascist Italy, Nazi ideas were self-consciously formulated to negate those of the left, not to imitate them. When Hitler took over the party in 1921, he shredded the anti-capitalist parts of the old party's platform.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”
Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.
Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it.
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Or you can continue believing what you see on Facebook.
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Until true Americans stand up and say, "enough is enough"
these assaulting protesters, looters, rioters, vandals, keyboard communist warriors
fukk them all- this is over
check their credit ratings or their bank accounts-
none of them aint got shyt, absolutely nothing.
they want the ones who have worked and saved to give them their shyt because they are too lazy or too dumb to make it in capitalism. (most are actually dumbass crackers)
apparently since they aren't good enough to make it under a capitalistic system.
fukk em...
especially the dumba$$ crackers...
fukk them all- this is over
check their credit ratings or their bank accounts-
none of them aint got shyt, absolutely nothing.
they want the ones who have worked and saved to give them their shyt because they are too lazy or too dumb to make it in capitalism. (most are actually dumbass crackers)
apparently since they aren't good enough to make it under a capitalistic system.
fukk em...
especially the dumba$$ crackers...
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I'm not sure I totally agree. We had a revolution, and then we figured out how to have a continuous government where power changed hands without revolutions. I'm not saying that radical ideas should be out of bounds, but that we need to know what it means when somebody says that they don't think the system can reform itself to the point that they'd like. Either way, your perspective is appreciated.
A lot of people have been wanting to change the National Anthem to "America the Beautiful" for many years. And it has nothing to do with slavery or racism. But, that is another story.
Of course, none of this means that they weren't inspired by socialism or that they didn't appropriate Marxist ideology for their own aims. They certainly weren't orthodox socialists, but they were absolutely using their playbook. How else would you "negate" leftist ideas? You're also eliding the fact that Mussolini, whose Italian fascism of course inspired German racial fascism, had been a leading socialist intellectual before he was expelled for being too much of a nationalist. Mussolini's fascism was explicitly socialist, in the sense that it was the kind of "state capitalism" that Lenin argued was an advance from liberal capitalism. Whether Hitler was ever an orthodox socialist or not, he was never a laissez-faire liberal capitalist.
The confusion over placing fascism on the American political spectrum is that American conservatism is largely a species of liberalism. Some question whether there even is a conservative tradition, like the one in Europe, in America. Fascism is clearly right-wing in the European context, but it's not clear that it's "on the right" in America, where liberal economics and limiting the state is such a big part of conservative thinking.
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So now your denying what the leader from NY said. That’s ok. It will never happen you can count on that.
Meh idk about italian fascism being explicitly socialist. Mussolini's fascism specifically promoted class collaboration which is something socialists vehemently oppose. Italian fascism separated groups into different classes, similar to what we see in the caste system of Hinduism, whereas Socialists have the belief that there are should be no classes and everyone should be equal.
Right, it was heterodox socialism that emphasized the nation. Obviously the people who liked singing The Internationale aren't going to love that level of nationalism. But their economic ideology can easily be appropriated by fascists who believed the state was supreme above any other interest. But fascism is a form of socialism. You can find Mussolini calling his economic system both "state capitalism" (again, a phrase borrowed from Lenin) and "state socialism," and saying things like "we declare war on socialism, not because it is socialist, but because it has opposed nationalism." Fascists thought of themselves less as an alternative to socialism than as the successor to it.
Yeah we're talking semantics now. When I say a system can't reform itself I think oversight. I think we agree. They can no longer be trusted to make changes themselves. Law enforcement getting a citizen's review board or something like that. Vague example.
socialism cannot work. everyone cannot be equal in any system. its impossible.
the human mind cannot be made to all think alike.
and their is a difference between all of us being all equal and who actually controls the power.
equality and power are 2 different beast
the human mind cannot be made to all think alike.
and their is a difference between all of us being all equal and who actually controls the power.
equality and power are 2 different beast
2 ways to do that
silently vote for trump
all the polls are still wrong.
silly to even broadcast.
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all businesses stop paying qtrly taxes.
i see the property owners are gonna sue seattle.
cant wait to watch the spd try to retake the 3rd.
be cool if the spd tells the mayor to come suit up and lead uus thru the front door.
wish I was a journalist. I sure would be asking the mayor if she planned on leading her police force back into the fort. lol
This makes me think I might be wrong about this not being a huge deal: https://quillette.com/2020/06/22/toward-a-new-cultural-nationalism/
"A majority of very liberal respondents agreed that Mount Rushmore should be destroyed. 80 percent of very liberal and 71 percent of liberal respondents agreed they’d like to see the national anthem changed."
"A majority of very liberal respondents agreed that Mount Rushmore should be destroyed. 80 percent of very liberal and 71 percent of liberal respondents agreed they’d like to see the national anthem changed."
