We are absolutely in a spiritual battle in this world right now.
Spiritual Battle
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If I was the devil:
I would put my whole support behind some guy that's been a sleazy businessman his whole life... lies about everything and will absolutely throw anyone and everyone under the bus for his own gain.
THEN I'd take every opportunity to disparage any and everyone who disagrees with him all while pretending to be a real American trying to save everyone. I'd use all the buzz words like Socialist, Communist, Deep State, Satanist, or whatever, with no proof
I would put my whole support behind some guy that's been a sleazy businessman his whole life... lies about everything and will absolutely throw anyone and everyone under the bus for his own gain.
THEN I'd take every opportunity to disparage any and everyone who disagrees with him all while pretending to be a real American trying to save everyone. I'd use all the buzz words like Socialist, Communist, Deep State, Satanist, or whatever, with no proof
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Let's go a few steps further. We are throwing Christian support behind a guy who has basically broken all of the ten commandments. He claims he's never asked Jesus for forgiveness because he doesn't need it. HE can't name a single verse of the Bible.
Well,
Well, why that happened is pretty simple. The Evangelicals paid Trump his 30 pieces of silver, ie they said he needed to put folks on the SCOTUS that would overturn Roe v Wade. And to be fair, Trump delivered. In return, the Christian right would turn a blind eye to everything else Trump did... and they delivered as well.
The Evangelicals absolutely sold their soul, as well as their ability to be a moral compass for anyone. It's truly sad, particularly as someone with a long family history in Church Ministry like me.
One of the most frustrating revelations has been the alleged “well intended” Christians who will project their faith upon others telling others what to do. Then, they’ll violate those same codes that they project onto others while slapping on the caveat that we Christians are sinners too.
Well, if you actually know you are committing sins OVER and OVER again, it breaks the whole purpose altogether. A couple of minor sins here or there, I get it.
But nope, a constant unrelenting pile of bullshit for vanity and mentally lower the bar for everyone USING faith as a “get out of jail free card”.
Look at me, I’m Christian. I sin often golly gee whiz, but it’s ok….. because I’ve selected the right team to absolve responsibility instead of actually realizing I’m abusing the whole faith and making a mockery of it.
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(Been having a great conversation with people lately on legal “insanity defense.” That it in any way absolves responsibility.
How come insane people aren’t randomly assisting a person across the street, working in an animal shelter, signing over their home to a stranger on the street?
These seem to have a grasp committing evil acts. Why are we so willing to absolve a human being of their actions?
If there are insane people working in an animal shelter, how can you allow it? It’s equally dangerous petting or choking the animal. They obviously 🙄 don’t know what they are doing there either.
Looking even deeper than the law at the conflict between the flesh and the Spirit as Paul stated in Galatians 5:19-23 --- The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
I understand that we are not sending choir boys to Washington, but for 75-80% of white, evangelical protestants to give uncompromising support to a man that is a model of these verses completely blows my mind.
Me too, and is one of the major reasons for my dislike for him. Some of the policies I don't hate, but the man is a disgusting human and I can't support that. I don't want children growing up and emulating that scumbag.
LMAO when I see these comments about that scumbag, that's not even our leader.
It's like a coach for your team that needs to be fired, even with a 12-1 record!!
But the one BIG DIFFERENCE is, when the said coach needs to be fired, everyone always has a suggestion for the next hire.
And still, in so many of these threads, people are so obnoxiously worried about the fired coach, that they are blind to see that the current coach is 0-8 and getting ready to turn a dynasty into a bottom feeder!
It's like a coach for your team that needs to be fired, even with a 12-1 record!!
But the one BIG DIFFERENCE is, when the said coach needs to be fired, everyone always has a suggestion for the next hire.
And still, in so many of these threads, people are so obnoxiously worried about the fired coach, that they are blind to see that the current coach is 0-8 and getting ready to turn a dynasty into a bottom feeder!
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Faintly religious deism where God makes the universe and then has no subsequent involvement?
Boy you sure do see wins that I don't see for that former coach. Can you tell us more about that almost perfect record?
America is not a 'Christian nation.' Republican attacks would shock founders| Opinion
The Founding Fathers would be aghast by attacks on separation of church and state, Dale Butland says.
www.dispatch.com
I’m not gonna waste 3 minutes of my life watching whatever ridiculousness this video is.
But. Religion is an absolute blight on humanity and centuries from now history books will teach about the nonsensical myths that more primitive humans let their lives be dominated by.
So you believe we are just an accident sprung up on a spinning ball flying through space with no intelligent creation at all? No spiritual or unseen aspect to creation or the universe?
There is no evidence that there was any “spiritual“ or “intelligent creation“ involved with the creation of the universe. I suppose you could say gravity would be an unseen aspect that governs the universe. So if you really wanted to get picky about it, you could argue that gravity is “god” in a way.
But no, I think its absolutely, abundantly, blatantly, in your face obvious that there is no being that, in any way, intentionally created the universe and humanity and watches over people and governs us and takes requests from us and demands we worship it, etc. I think its pretty horrifying that people actually think this would be a good thing, though I suppose its easy to see why religious people also very easily fall in line with authoritarian political figures.
Agreed. Adding a few points
1. I’d like to know if religious folks are willing to rationalize if/when “aliens”/UFOs
are determined, that the creation of God is simply borne out of that phenomena. To theorize God in the original way makes total sense to explain the unexplainable in the stories told.
Or, is God a permanent theory never to be concluded with applied intelligence as a way to maintain oppression?
2. It’s not just religious people easily falling under authoritarian political figures.
It’s devout political ideologists allowing political parties to do the thinking for them. As if a political party represents EVERY position and thought for an individual. And that objecting to any position “my” party has is a violation of some sort. The patheticness displayed by libs and pubs in this area is well….. disgusting. In many ways treasonous where political party positions violate the foundations who we are as a country. And both do it. Therefore, I view a majority of people devoutly aligned with either political party as a traitor. Willing to put an organization standing for anti Constitutional behavior in front of the US.
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Who created the creator?
If you’re willing to believe the creator came from nothing/always existed, you may as well believe that the Universe came from nothing or always existed. It requires fewer assumptions.
We know how stars form, we know how stars die, we know what stars become after they die. We have a good idea of where the universe itself is headed, and we again have some idea of where it came from. None of these things require god in any religious sense.
History is littered with dead gods. I take it you don’t believe in Ra, Zeus, or Odin. I promise you people believed in them just as fervently as you believe in Yahweh. For all we know the Neanderthals may have believed in a god or gods, but their gods died with them. When you say, Christianity is the final truth, you’re not just arguing with atheists. You’re telling every other religious person who’s ever lived, my faith is more correct than yours. What’s your evidence for that claim? You have none. It’s faith. You believe your god is the right one and that’s that. Never mind the Hindus have no less conviction than you, the Muslims agree with you that Yahweh is god but not that he ever procreated, and the bickering continues without end.
As far as the evidence we have indicates, yes, we are star dust flying through the universe. We don’t need to look to the clouds for answers. We don’t need empty promises of life beyond this one. Inquiry will get you much further than faith.
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To your first point, they’ll do what they’ve always done. Whenever presented with such evidence, they’ll simply take it as yet another indication of just how marvelous, mysterious, and awe-inspiring god is.
For all the self annointed smart guys in this thread making assumptions, I am not a religious zealot at all. I was raised going to a southern baptist church. I do not attend organized religious services now or in the last 40 years. I am a spiritual person though taking a smattering from different philosophies as my beliefs and do believe in intelligent creation and not random accident or evolution.
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So an intelligent being created the universe, but this intelligent being himself is eternal?
I didnt say being. I do not know what or who the creator is but I believe in intelligent creation. We could be that computer simulation by an infinitely more advanced race for all we know.
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Sure, entity or whatever you want to refer to this creator as. Where does the creator come from?
My belief is that it was founded on protestant values. It's hard to deny, even though many want to and try to say it was not.
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Right, but there are two possibilities: This creator is eternal/without being/has always been around or something like that, or the creator has a definite origin/was made/has a creator or something like that.
If it's the second one, we don't get anywhere. We can just ask the same question of the creator's creator and so on.
If it's the first one, I don't see any reason why we can't believe the universe doesn't need a creator. Afterall, the creator apparently didn't need one. We can believe the universe has always existed/comes from nothing, and there's no logical issue there. It's certainly against our intuition, but we're human beings with limited knowledge and experience. By assuming the creator can come from nothing but the universe comes from the creator, you're assuming more than what's necessary to explain everything. That's no bueno as far as the business of explaining things is concerned
Then of course there's the question of, how is it that everything is just right for us to be able to exist? I mean, gravity can't be too weak or too strong, the fine-structure constant has to be just right, earth has to have oxygen and water, etc. Surely that can't all be random, right? The odds of that happening all by chance are extraordinarily small. My answer is that, well, we are here to ask the question, and that's evidence in and of itself. It's not right to ask the question, what are the odds of this all happening randomly? We should be asking, what are the odds of this being the case given that we are indeed here now? And I believe that changes the calculus significantly.
The creator was uncreated. Mental midgets like all of us cannot comprehend it. Things that humans cannot comprehend, obviously cast doubt on. This is where faith comes in.
Those that do not have the faith are not bad people. I won't name names. (I won't have to, just wait for it)
The creator exists outside of time and space, as he created it.
Sounds freaking crazy!! I agree, but I have faith in the creator. Doesn't make me a bad person either.
@TigerGrowls @LaniKaiTiger
What makes both of your assumptions important is the quest will remain for 5 more minutes or forever.
Which then begs the next question…. Why is being “right” based upon a certain faith so incredibly important when it’s all based upon assumption anyway?
Cause the Bible says so?
A book transcribed by fallible humans 2000 years ago who were taking down stories past down from person to person in different languages. And we are gonna bet that it’s all correct? We can’t get stories right today!!!
And then, use faith to fill in the blanks….. and then tell other people if they don’t do certain things that bad things will happen to them while the “believer” has all the answers because of a perceived alignment based on ancient writings that has no chance of being corroborated.
It’s quite the framework. I respect the “general” conduct it promotes but the amount of persecution that’s taken place over the centuries is just staggering. And it still happens today.
Like….. why would you kill nonbelievers at the drop of a hat? Shouldn’t you be extending a hand to help.
The contradictions are way too many and it ruins the program altogether. How about respect for ALL living things? Just stop insulting the world constantly. If it’s so incredibly great, people will follow on their own terms or they won’t. Either way, don’t be a piece of shit and abuse any living thing due to a massive perception.
COVID vaccine is the most recent “perception” vs science reality we have all lived through and just look of the different perceptions and outcomes people had with the most available information possible. Truly nuts when you think about it.
Or…. Were certain decisions created to control people? That my friends is the reality of the human condition.
What makes both of your assumptions important is the quest will remain for 5 more minutes or forever.
Which then begs the next question…. Why is being “right” based upon a certain faith so incredibly important when it’s all based upon assumption anyway?
Cause the Bible says so?
A book transcribed by fallible humans 2000 years ago who were taking down stories past down from person to person in different languages. And we are gonna bet that it’s all correct? We can’t get stories right today!!!
And then, use faith to fill in the blanks….. and then tell other people if they don’t do certain things that bad things will happen to them while the “believer” has all the answers because of a perceived alignment based on ancient writings that has no chance of being corroborated.
It’s quite the framework. I respect the “general” conduct it promotes but the amount of persecution that’s taken place over the centuries is just staggering. And it still happens today.
Like….. why would you kill nonbelievers at the drop of a hat? Shouldn’t you be extending a hand to help.
The contradictions are way too many and it ruins the program altogether. How about respect for ALL living things? Just stop insulting the world constantly. If it’s so incredibly great, people will follow on their own terms or they won’t. Either way, don’t be a piece of shit and abuse any living thing due to a massive perception.
COVID vaccine is the most recent “perception” vs science reality we have all lived through and just look of the different perceptions and outcomes people had with the most available information possible. Truly nuts when you think about it.
Or…. Were certain decisions created to control people? That my friends is the reality of the human condition.
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Why did the universe need a creator if the creator himself does not? And you don't get to say, "Because he's the creator."
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anon_5e8aassgcbjz1
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As have many, but I think it's wrong to jump from those questions to the conclusion, "God must have did it!" I think that's fallacious
Religion and beliefs have been with humans for as long as we have been here. If you do not believe in God or other form of religion, that's on you, and even though I may think it's not the best for you, I don't think I have the right to push it on you!
= Things that humans cannot comprehend, obviously cast doubt on.
To paint all religious people in one broad stroke just shows you're incapable of rational discussion!
but you realize the greek gods were all bullshit now, right? your stuff is real, but theirs is bullshit. what about jewish and muslim people? are they just worshipping the wrong god? will they go to hell because they dont believe in your white jesus?
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They indeed have been. Many gods have come, been worshiped, and died. The proper conclusion to draw is not that Yahweh is suddenly the right one (who by the way was worshiped by various Canaanite tribes in addition to the Israelites before they got conquered/wiped out). God didn't make man; man invents various gods. And it shows.
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Jews, Christians, and Muslims are in agreement that the only true god is ultimately Yahweh. Jews and Muslims reject the trinity. Muslims additionally reject the Christian claim that Jesus is Yahweh's son but otherwise accept his divinity. Allah is simply the Arabic word for "the god." You can think of it as Allah= uppercase God and ilah= lowercase god. The word is used by both Arab Christians and Muslims.
