The MEMO...

[clemben]

Hahahaha...

That was it? Really? What a waste of taxpayer dollars and time. Partisan politics at its best/worst.

Sorry, sorry...to the Round Table with me, I couldn't resist.

(The only thing I learned that wasn't already in the media was that there was a pre-existing FBI investigation that was ongoing (George Pappy) that was used to get the Page FISA, which actually hurts the partisan Nunes argument--saying that this was part of an ongoing investigation regardless of how you feel about the dossier--which if you take the time to read, isn't that salacious other than the one page. This means that there was nothing illegal or even wrong about surveilling Page. Remember that there are 50-60 other pages of evidence being used to back-up the application.)

 

[TigerEE91]

Shocker - Nunes is a hack.

Meanwhile, Mueller continues to diligently work.

 

[iceheart08]

In before the trumpers!

 

[krfuquamd]

Hahahaha...

That was it? Really? What a waste of taxpayer dollars and time. Partisan politics at its best/worst.

Sorry, sorry...to the Round Table with me, I couldn't resist.

(The only thing I learned that wasn't already in the media was that there was a pre-existing FBI investigation that was ongoing (George Pappy) that was used to get the Page FISA, which actually hurts the partisan Nunes argument--saying that this was part of an ongoing investigation regardless of how you feel about the dossier--which if you take the time to read, isn't that salacious other than the one page. This means that there was nothing illegal or even wrong about surveilling Page. Remember that there are 50-60 other pages of evidence being used to back-up the application.)

Thanks Wolf.

 

[tigerfan700]

If the fbi was or is so out to get Trump then why in the hell did the fbi reopen the Hillary email investigation 2 weeks before the election which is the only reason Trump is even President.

 

[krfuquamd]

Regurgitating what you've heard on CNN doesn't make you right, just stupid, stupid.

 

[clemben]

Thanks Wolf.

Wolf? I got Wolf??

I was hoping for someone less meh...

To be clear, I don't watch CNN or MSNBC. I just read this on Twitter and thought--wow...what a waste of everyone's time.

I know you are heartbroken and partisan. Very partisan.

 

[Willence]

You're kidding about that's it, right? If it's true, it's a massive scandal. Heads should roll everywhere. If you're not astute enough to see that using the government to destroy political enemies is a big deal... you might be an idiot.

 

[dktum]

Hahahaha...

That was it? Really? What a waste of taxpayer dollars and time. Partisan politics at its best/worst.

Sorry, sorry...to the Round Table with me, I couldn't resist.

(The only thing I learned that wasn't already in the media was that there was a pre-existing FBI investigation that was ongoing (George Pappy) that was used to get the Page FISA, which actually hurts the partisan Nunes argument--saying that this was part of an ongoing investigation regardless of how you feel about the dossier--which if you take the time to read, isn't that salacious other than the one page. This means that there was nothing illegal or even wrong about surveilling Page. Remember that there are 50-60 other pages of evidence being used to back-up the application.)

LOL. You obviously aren't partisan yourself. I don't have time right now to explain to you how uninformed you are, but you wouldn't understand it anyway, so I won't even try.

 

[ccolon]

If anyone believes there is a large liberal element in the FBI that has been out to get Trump since before the election.... well, I just don't know what to tell you.

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

Regurgitating what you've heard on FOX doesn't make you right, just stupid, stupid.

FIFY

 

[clemben]

LOL. You obviously aren't partisan yourself. I don't have time right now to explain to you how uninformed you are, but you wouldn't understand it anyway, so I won't even try.

Oh please everyone saying this is such a big deal--please do explain...

(using facts and not hyperpartisan bloviating...)

 

[tigerfan700]

If anyone believes there is a large liberal element in the FBI that has been out to get Trump since before the election.... well, I just don't know what to tell you.

They where so out to get him that they reopened the Hillary email investigation 2 weeks before the election.

 

[anon_yqoaxol227dby]

For the record, Mueller is a registered republican

 

[clemben]

NOOOO.....sent to the Round Table...I'm still waiting...

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

You're kidding about that's it, right? If it's true, it's a massive scandal. Heads should roll everywhere. If you're not astute enough to see that using the government to destroy political enemies is a big deal... you might be an idiot.

If you react too soon before getting all the facts you might be an idiot. You only see things one way. I'm going to wait and see what the Mueller investigation reveals, as well as what the senate investigation discovers. The congressional committee has been a cluster fvck from the very beginning mainly due to Nunes. At least they should have included both the Republican and Democratic takes on this memo.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

lol, yes the FBI, historically one of the most conservative government agencies imaginable, is part of a liberal plot to take down trump.

republicans have lost their goddamn minds.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

If anyone believes there is a large liberal element in the FBI that has been out to get Trump since before the election.... well, I just don't know what to tell you.

exactly. the FBI is as conservative as it gets. this sudden sea change on republicans' trust of the FBI is all partisan bullshit.

 

[TigerinLA]

If anyone believes there is a large liberal element in the FBI that has been out to get Trump since before the election.... well, I just don't know what to tell you.

Andy....?

 

[Lot4tiger]

 

[Willence]

If you react too soon before getting all the facts you might be an idiot. You only see things one way. I'm going to wait and see what the Mueller investigation reveals, as well as what the senate investigation discovers. The congressional committee has been a cluster fvck from the very beginning mainly due to Nunes. At least they should have included both the Republican and Democratic takes on this memo.

You're not understanding @JAMCRACKER99 . It is quite clear the situation with the memo had nothing to do with what started the Mueller investigation. So that's a separate matter and it should continue to its conclusion.

What I am upset about is that the FBI and DOJ lied to the FISA court to get the warrant and they circumvented protocol for political reasons. They helped start a political witch hunt that was unnecessary on political grounds only. The FBI agent who pursued the warrant never disclosed the source of the information nor did he disclose that his wife worked with Fusion GPS.

Also, we were told by Democrats all week this would endanger national security. It doesn't in any way. It just reveals how government is being used for political purposes. That's unacceptable. Remember, a government that can be used by Democrats to destroy its enemies can also be used by Republicans to destroy their enemies. You're comfortable with that?

The other comments in this thread show how politicized we are. It's disgraceful and it's made a lot of people really blind and stupid. Just need to look at the facts and that alone is enough for grave concerns. As despicable as Donald Trump might be to you, he still deserves to be treated fairly under the law. As do we all...every one of us and what party we're with or what we believe should not matter.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

You're not understanding @JAMCRACKER99 . It is quite clear the situation with the memo had nothing to do with what started the Mueller investigation. So that's a separate matter and it should continue to its conclusion.

What I am upset about is that the FBI and DOJ lied to the FISA court to get the warrant and they circumvented protocol for political reasons. They helped start a political witch hunt that was unnecessary on political grounds only. The FBI agent who pursued the warrant never disclosed the source of the information nor did he disclose that his wife worked with Fusion GPS.

Also, we were told by Democrats all week this would endanger national security. It doesn't in any way. It just reveals how government is being used for political purposes. That's unacceptable. Remember, a government that can be used by Democrats to destroy its enemies can also be used by Republicans to destroy their enemies. You're comfortable with that?

The other comments in this thread show how politicized we are. It's disgraceful and it's made a lot of people really blind and stupid. Just need to look at the facts and that alone is enough for grave concerns. As despicable as Donald Trump might be to you, he still deserves to be treated fairly under the law. As do we all...every one of us and what party we're with or what we believe should not matter.

oh my goodness. your partisan hackery knows no bounds. what of this is the "bombshell" you think it to be? there's absolutely nothing here that proves some sort of "political witch hunt" or that trump is being treated unfairly.

 

[Willence]

oh my goodness. your partisan hackery knows no bounds. what of this is the "bombshell" you think it to be? there's absolutely nothing here that proves some sort of "political witch hunt" or that trump is being treated unfairly.

Not a hack. But whatever dude...

When you take opposition research, dress it up like official intelligence and then take it to get a FISA warrant without disclosing the source, that's a political witch hunt. How the heck is that so hard for you to grasp?

 

[anon_yqoaxol227dby]

Another reminder -- Steele Dossier was first paid for by conservative outlet Washington Free Beacon to find damaging info about Trump during the primary in order to help other GOP candidates. REMEMBER -- the GOP DID NOT WANT Trump to win the nomination.,

 

[Willence]

Another reminder -- Steele Dossier was first paid for by conservative outlet Washington Free Beacon to find damaging info about Trump during the primary in order to help other GOP candidates. REMEMBER -- the GOP DID NOT WANT Trump to win the nomination.,

No, they didn't and I was one of those people who didn't want him to win. I wanted a statesman who would have a chance of pulling the country closer together over time. We got just the opposite and we're the poorer for it.

How it originated is irrelevant. The Dems and Hillary seized upon it and used it to further their agenda. The result is what matters here...not the origin.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

Not a hack. But whatever dude...

When you take opposition research, dress it up like official intelligence and then take it to get a FISA warrant without disclosing the source, that's a political witch hunt. How the heck is that so hard for you to grasp?

 

[Willence]

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Brother, best to get unstuck on stupid. No duh on your post. See what I said in a post here below. Try reading it carefully...

It is quite clear the situation with the memo had nothing to do with what started the Mueller investigation. So that's a separate matter and it should continue to its conclusion.

I will hang up and wait for your next excuse.

 

[tigerfan700]

I would still love for a Trump supporter to explain to me how the fbi was out to get Trump when the Fbi gave Trump the election.

 

[Willence]

I would still love for a Trump supporter to explain to me how the fbi was out to get Trump when the Fbi gave Trump the election.

Not a Trump supporter but what makes you think they gave him the election? There's no real way to measure all that. There were multiple bombs that went off in that campaign on both sides with two positively horrific candidates. How do we know what did what? Consider for a moment that Trump won in spite of the most offensive October surprise I have ever seen. Maybe it was just that Hillary lost the election?

 

[clemsonpaw00]

Brother, best to get unstuck on stupid. No duh on your post. See what I said in a post here below. Try reading it carefully...



I will hang up and wait for your next excuse.

i have zero idea what you're arguing.

this is being widely regarded as an embarrassment for republicans because there's nothing controversial in the memo. that you insist on sticking to this party line just shows your extreme bias.

edit: oh, and we haven't even gotten to the fact that this memo was written by an entirely partisan source, which you're taking as the absolute authority on this "issue." we haven't even heard the FBI's or democrats' take on it.

 

[clemben]

government is being used for political purposes.

Then you must have been livid when Nunes was originally caught holding water for the WH (you know using his position for purely political partisan purposes) that got him recused from the investigation in the first place...right?

Only to insert himself back in to produce a memo trying to reduce faith in the FISA court, which republicans have voted for every single time and called anyone not doing everything to stop 'Islamic terrorism' at the altar or civil liberties dating back to the patriot act unpatriotic and a threat to democracy.

Shouldn't you be really, really concerned that Nunes might be in cahoots with the WH (like he was before--you know, a history or evidence of doing these things...) to trump up this memo and try to discredit the FBI and DOJ to keep the president out of harms way?? Any thought of that at all?? NONE?

Carter Page had a file. Carter Page had a history with Russians. CP met with Russians twice during the campaign and had Manafort for a campaign chairman. This isn't rocket science.

And by the way--has the dossier been actually discredited?? Like with actual evidence about what is in the dossier?? It has been confirmed a time or two...(you should read it, it is fascinating...)

Legally, like in a court of law, it doesn't matter where the evidence comes from or who paid for it--it is the merit of the evidence the FISA court looks at and this was just one data-point and didn't start the investigation.

I want the dems to release their memo and I want the 50 pages left out of this nothing burger redacted so we can see how shallow this memo really is...

I await your line by line rebuttal with actual evidence...

 

[tigerfan700]

Not a Trump supporter but what makes you think they gave him the election? There's no real way to measure all that. There were multiple bombs that went off in that campaign on both sides with two positively horrific candidates. How do we know what did what? Consider for a moment that Trump won in spite of the most offensive October surprise I have ever seen. Maybe it was just that Hillary lost the election?

But why would the fbi reopen Hillary investigation right before election if they were so out to get Trump makes no sense

 

[clemsonpaw00]

But why would the fbi reopen Hillary investigation right before election if they were so out to get Trump makes no sense

this. and i wonder if @Willence was similarly outraged when the FBI launched an investigation into the clinton foundation because of the book "clinton cash," which was published and funded by breitbart news.

 

[jimbob1019]

Hahahaha...

That was it? Really? What a waste of taxpayer dollars and time. Partisan politics at its best/worst.

Sorry, sorry...to the Round Table with me, I couldn't resist.

(The only thing I learned that wasn't already in the media was that there was a pre-existing FBI investigation that was ongoing (George Pappy) that was used to get the Page FISA, which actually hurts the partisan Nunes argument--saying that this was part of an ongoing investigation regardless of how you feel about the dossier--which if you take the time to read, isn't that salacious other than the one page. This means that there was nothing illegal or even wrong about surveilling Page. Remember that there are 50-60 other pages of evidence being used to back-up the application.)

If it was really nothing, then WHY were the democrats so AGAINST its release??
Check with MSNBC & get back to me...

 

[Willence]

this. and i wonder if @Willence was similarly outraged when the FBI launched an investigation into the clinton foundation because of the book "clinton cash," which was published and funded by breitbart news.

This has nothing to do with what we're talking about today. You're thick man...

FISA is serious business. You can't use false pretenses to bug and spy on an American citizen. That's a big damn deal. It's even in the Constitution. Check it out!

 

[Steven15]

ITT Conservatives think it's a big deal and Liberals do not. Surprise surprise

 

[clemsonpaw00]

ITT Conservatives think it's a big deal and Liberals do not. Surprise surprise

And you’re the enlightened centrist I suppose?

How brave.

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

You're not understanding @JAMCRACKER99 . It is quite clear the situation with the memo had nothing to do with what started the Mueller investigation. So that's a separate matter and it should continue to its conclusion.

What I am upset about is that the FBI and DOJ lied to the FISA court to get the warrant and they circumvented protocol for political reasons. They helped start a political witch hunt that was unnecessary on political grounds only. The FBI agent who pursued the warrant never disclosed the source of the information nor did he disclose that his wife worked with Fusion GPS.

Also, we were told by Democrats all week this would endanger national security. It doesn't in any way. It just reveals how government is being used for political purposes. That's unacceptable. Remember, a government that can be used by Democrats to destroy its enemies can also be used by Republicans to destroy their enemies. You're comfortable with that?

The other comments in this thread show how politicized we are. It's disgraceful and it's made a lot of people really blind and stupid. Just need to look at the facts and that alone is enough for grave concerns. As despicable as Donald Trump might be to you, he still deserves to be treated fairly under the law. As do we all...every one of us and what party we're with or what we believe should not matter.

But what you don't understand is that you are only seeing the Republican memo when both memos should have been released at the same time as has always been done in the past. I imagine the truth is somewhere in between the two. Perhaps we'll see the other version next week.

Interesting that the subject of the FISA warrant was under investigation by the FBI in 2013 and 2014 as well with his potential connections to the Russian mob. Why would someone like this be working on the Trump campaign in the first place? How about his first campaign manager? His first NSA? Connections to Russians.

Interesting to see what Trump does now? Who does he fire if anyone? I just find it interesting how he doesn't believe the Russia investigation is legit. He seems very paranoid about the whole thing.

 

[Steven15]

And you’re the enlightened centrist I suppose?

How brave.

What is it today that has you upset @clemsonpaw00?

 

[clemsonpaw00]

What is it today that has you upset @clemsonpaw00?

is this like your version of "you mad bro?"

i'm not upset. i'm just making fun of your tired schtick.