The United States Should Exit NATO. Momentum Building - Zelensky Says “Fvck Trump”?

[ANEW]

Gonna be sad when NATO invokes Article 5 and the US refuses; considering the only time Article 5 has been invoked was by us and everyone answered the call.

So a NATO member chooses to jump into the middle of an active conflict between two Non-NATO nations and that somehow obligates us to get involved in the fight? Really? Are you sure?

Regardless, why would it be sad that we don't send people to die for some bombed out land in Ukraine that won't matter to the United States who owns it one way or the other? You would be sad?

 

[WapPride]

So a NATO member chooses to jump into the middle of an active conflict between two Non-NATO nations and that somehow obligates us to get involved in the fight? Really? Are you sure?

Regardless, why would it be sad that we don't send people to die for some bombed out land in Ukraine that won't matter to the United States who owns it one way or the other? You would be sad?

If NATO troops decide to assist Ukraine and they invoke article 5, yes we would likely be obligated to assist.

I’d be sad that we abandoned our allies after they answered the call when we made it. This whole Trump trend of abandoning our historical allies to side with dictators and despots is an alarming trend.

I have no desire to send US troops to war, but if for whatever reason NATO gets involved and eventually invokes article 5 I believe it’s our duty to honor the pledge.

While I agree with Trump’s desire for NATO to increase their military contributions, there’s a good reason it’s been this way for so long. Europe has a far bigger population and lots of advantages that the U.S. doesn’t have (and likewise the U.S. has other advantages based on geography). In the early 90s, around the time of the NATO Allies’ Implementation of Reciprocal Defense Agreements, Europe in effect took a step back from militarism and opened up to US companies to trade. The same way that the Japanese did in the U.S.

Militarism (and ending their empires) downgraded in return for peace and allowing the U.S. to take on that role. In return the U.S. Has enjoyed unprecedented access to a peaceful European both militarily and commercially.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

When you say "United States values" who are you speaking for?

Think opposite of lib.

Those.

 

[TigerGrowls]

It should be pointed out that the majority included independents at the time of the election but now his approval is underwater by 18 points w/independents in this latest SSRS poll and this was before Trump's outburst on Friday, so I expect the numbers to get worse from here. And without independents, it's hard to argue that the US is aligned with Trump's values.

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Totally FAKE NEWS!!! The Trump agenda and actions are very popular. Well over 50% currently.

 

[TigerGrowls]

1. Do you not find it strange that your twitter follows are spreading Kremlin disinformation badmouthing our historical allies?
2. What are the people being arrested posting about that leads to their arrest? Is it people broadcasting hate speech and promoting violence? Are they deliberate disinformation posts that are leading to innocent people being harassed/harmed/etc?

I'd like some details showing what these people in the UK are posting which is leading them to being arrested. Matt Jukes, the Assistant Commissioner of Counter Terrorism with Scotland Yard, said it's people inciting violence/threatening violence to individuals.*

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They were arrested for posting on social media during the riots – will it change anything?

Charges following disorder felt significant, but for social media giants there was no day of reckoning.

www.bbc.com

What a winner. I would be surprised if you are not gagging with the amount of leftist BS you are swallowing.

 

[TigerGrowls]

AI's not far off comparing the amount of arrests across 44 countries that have, in total, 5x the population of Russia? So, we've moved the goalposts from arrests in the UK to arrests across 44 countries to be compared/contrasted against 1 country?

You should just save everyone the time and just admit you follow Kremlin-backed accounts who are trying to disrupt America's alliances.

The fact that any are being arrested for opinions or being pissed off that young girls are being raped by middle eastern immigrants and venting due to no law enforcement help is a huge problem and is not what a supposedly free nation does.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I don't recall the Biden admin demanding speech be censored on social media. I recall both Biden and Trump administrations reaching out to social media companies to see if they can reign in disinformation, but i don't recall seeing any demands levied, nor punishments applied should the social media companies do nothing.

I get that you don't really have any ability to discuss these topics in good faith, but it's funny seeing you go down this particular path wrt to Russia and our current European allies. Is it your belief that our values more closely align with a Russian dictatorship than with European democracies?

Horseshit proven that you still spew. Acting like a human shit dispenser.

 

[TigerGrowls]

You're welcome to post evidence refuting my comments, but I wouldn't imagine it holds up to much scrutiny.

WTF??? You can't even prove your own comments and then demand him to?

 

[TigerGrowls]

But i think that we'll keep NATO from getting involved in Ukraine. The EU can do it but we're not going to be drug into it.

Agree with this.

 

[dpic73]

Totally FAKE NEWS!!! The Trump agenda and actions are very popular. Well over 50% currently.

Trump's Job Approval Rating at 45%; Congress' Jumps to 29%

Trump's approval rating is at 45%, with broad support from Republicans. Republicans are also behind an improved job rating for Congress.

news.gallup.com

 

[TigerGrowls]

Trump's Job Approval Rating at 45%; Congress' Jumps to 29%

Trump's approval rating is at 45%, with broad support from Republicans. Republicans are also behind an improved job rating for Congress.

news.gallup.com

Yes I am sure. I still remember you talking sh1t about how easily kamala and tampon tim were going to win the general election.

 

[dpic73]

Yes I am sure. I still remember you talking sh1t about how easily kamala and tampon tim were going to win the general election.

You mean before she gave interviews? LOL

 

[WapPride]

lol growls came in here heated

 

[fatpiggy]

Totally FAKE NEWS!!! The Trump agenda and actions are very popular. Well over 50% currently.

He keeps trying to pedal the old fake polls. The same regurgitated trick from 2020. But no one buys that BS anymore. We are all wise to their ways.

 

[fatpiggy]

NATO fracturing before our very eyes

 

[dpic73]

He keeps trying to pedal the old fake polls. The same regurgitated trick from 2020. But no one buys that BS anymore. We are all wise to their ways.

Gallup is fake news lol? Out of 540 pollsters, they come in at #44. Outside of hard-core magas, why would any of his agenda items except deporting illegals be popular with the majority of Americans? He's actively making things more difficult for most Americans, not better.

 

[fatpiggy]

Gallup is fake news lol? Out of 540 pollsters, they come in at #44. Outside of hard-core magas, why would any of his agenda items except deporting illegals be popular with the majority of Americans? He's actively making things more difficult for most Americans, not better.

The tweets below are the equivalent of your poll. They are meaningless. We already voted.

Who is the leader in the polls for the Democrats in 2028?

 

[dpic73]

The tweets below are the equivalent of your poll. They are meaningless. We already voted.

Who is the leader in the polls for the Democrats in 2028?

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After he crashes the economy, destroys all services that benefit Americans, makes us friendless and invites Putin into the White House, I'm starting to think PeeWee Herman could beat him in 2028 and he's dead. I mean, that assumes he doesn't destroy the election system in a way that no one can challenge his third term.

 

[fatpiggy]

After he crashes the economy, destroys all services that benefit Americans, makes us friendless and invites Putin into the White House, I'm starting to think PeeWee Herman could beat him in 2028 and he's dead. I mean, that assumes he doesn't destroy the election system in a way that no one can challenge his third term.

OK. Pee Wee herman is better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden is sharp as a tack. About what i expected from you. I like JD Vance's chances.

Jasmine Crocket is doing a great job as the leader of the democratic party right now. Hopefully y'all can coalesce around her message.

 

[dpic73]

OK. Pee Wee herman is better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden is sharp as a tack. About what i expected from you. I like JD Vance's chances.

Jasmine Crocket is doing a great job as the leader of the democratic party right now. Hopefully y'all can coalesce around her message.

LOL, JD is historically unpopular and doesn't come close to having Trump's strangely powerful charisma. Did you see he got chased out of Vermont on his ski vacation last weekend?

 

[fatpiggy]

LOL, JD is historically unpopular and doesn't come close to having Trump's strangely powerful charisma. Did you see he got chased out of Vermont on his ski vacation last weekend?

Did you see him smack down Zelensky and stand up for America in front of the world? He was a natural fit for the Oval office.

He was the impetus for the major changes coming. No one better to keep carrying the torch.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

We're not leaving NATO.

Norway didn't refuse to refuel our ships. A company CEO said they may do that. The Norwegian government told the company very quickly that they will refuel our ships.

Subs don't really require refueling. They're all nukes.

Trump will bluster but he is not having the US leave NATO

He is creating leverage to push the countries of NATO to spend up to 5% of their GNP on defense

Many of the NATO countries do not have competent soldiers or equipment in quantities to fight Russia

Need to upgrade to a fighting force level and not weekend campers

 

[dpic73]

Did you see him smack down Zelensky and stand up for America in front of the world? He was a natural fit for the Oval office.

He was the impetus for the major changes coming. No one better to keep carrying the torch.

Are you under the impression that the majority of Americans saw that the same way as you did through your deeply partisan lens?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

OK. Pee Wee herman is better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden is sharp as a tack. About what i expected from you. I like JD Vance's chances.

Jasmine Crocket is doing a great job as the leader of the democratic party right now. Hopefully y'all can coalesce around her message.

Loving AOC and Jasmine Crockett as voices of the DEMOCRATS

Could not have asked for better spokespersons on why to be a Republican

Of course there are real doozies on the Democrats

I hope they never figure it out that calling names and saying Trump is lying and insulting and blind batcrap crazy resistance against policies many American's desire like by 80/20 RATIO

Just keep doing what the Democrats are doing

And trump just keep doing what you are doing

Then Common Sense Christian Conservative Constitutional Shaped Values will rule America

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

So a NATO member chooses to jump into the middle of an active conflict between two Non-NATO nations and that somehow obligates us to get involved in the fight? Really? Are you sure?

Regardless, why would it be sad that we don't send people to die for some bombed out land in Ukraine that won't matter to the United States who owns it one way or the other? You would be sad?

AMEN

 

[fatpiggy]

Are you under the impression that the majority of Americans saw that the same way as you did through your deeply partisan lens?

Absolutely.

It’s exactly what the landslide voted for. Exactly

 

[Quincy2009]

I believe in patriotism, protecting cultures across the globe and that each nation should put their needs above others. However, if you can not produce enough food to feed your entire population, find enough employees to support a thriving economy, have natural resources that can fulfill all manufacturing needs then it is not feasible to have a total isolationist foreign policy approach. It is 2025, nations are competing against each other for human, technological and nature resources, China will owe the global if we commit to this path.

For those that only get their news from social media accounts that say what you like to hear, I would suggest subscribe to a few that will give you a competing view. We all need more balance. It does not mean you have to agree or like it but you will have a broader perspective of important issues.