Actually, it was minorities that put him over the top. Especially the Latino vote.
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They still dont get it...
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Outside of the misspelling of minorities (sorry, leetp, but have to call something out here before I admit to what I'm about to), this post is completely accurate. As someone who voted for Harris, today has been a weird day of self-reflection as I try to understand whether I've become a member of the "liberal elite". From my perspective, the economy is doing just fine. I don't pay attention to my gas and grocery bills (as they're all just Chase points) while my retirement and non-retirement accounts are doing great, and I think today proved that I'm very disconnected from the majority of Americans on that front.
(minorites....lol... Small phone, big fingers, bad eyesight... Oh yeah, and spelling is hard)
Do you have kids? I ask because the effects of inflation become far more acute if you have more people in your household you have to provide for. The price of groceries is absolutely insane. How about go buy a car? Cars cost as much as Lamborghinis and Ferraris did when I was a kid. We can debate who and what caused it, but it's a thing.
I want to send my kids to college, but it has become wildly unaffordable--and instead of addressing a root cause, the government just takes from those aiming to be responsible and give it to those who largely have not. That's a thing.
The epidemic of fentanyl and child sex trafficking is a thing. Just last week, in my once sleepy little town, at a trampoline park, two kids were apparently overdosing on fentanyl and Narcan wasn't reviving them. My kids were there. They probably just saw two people die.
The epidemic of criminal foreign gangs is a thing. Many Latin American gangs are acting with impunity INSIDE OF OUR OWN BORDERS! How would you like to have fled the crime and corruption in your former country just to have it follow you here? That's a thing too.
Rep. Ritchie Torres, D-N.Y:
"Donald Trump has no greater friend than the far left, which has managed to alienate historic numbers of Latinos, Blacks, Asians, and Jews from the Democratic Party with absurdities like 'Defund the Police' or ‘From the River to the Sea’ or ‘Latinx,’"
Truth…. And most Latinos, Blacks, Asians, and Jews don’t like or agree with letting 20 million (or more) illegal immigrants into the country. They knew they were giving the middle finger to all the legal citizens of this country, well on Election Day the people gave them the middle finger back.
They may could’ve survived some of their insanity with a good economy.. but with a bad economy they got their asses voted out.
Yep. The list is huge: Men in women's sports, child trans surgery, men in girls bathrooms, etc... The far left got Trump elected.
I just turned over to watch some MSNBC and this Joy Reid was on. Man that woman is unhinged. She is example number 1 of why Tuesday night happened. But she and others like her just don't get it.
Can't wait to see @johnhugh in ten years after he's experienced real life. Y'all are arguing with a dip shit kid.
He’s mainly trolling. He’s a lib, but he mainly wants to rile people up.
He’s going to be elated that Trump just appointed the first ever female Chief of Staff.
When are celebs gonna realize that no one gives a shite what they think.? They're entertainers and nothing more, stay away from politics all entertainers like Colbert (who isn't funny), Kimmel ( miserable douche), Clooney and every singer that endorsed Kamala like their opinion mattered. BTW, Diddy files are coming as well. LOL
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There you go, just make stuff up! You may be a great prospective democrat political strategist.
It sure is the economy stupid. One thing I've learned, if the economy has head winds, the incumbent is out of office, no matter what.
I thought white men and women put him over the top. Latinos definitely flipped by a large margin. Apparently, the Harris campaign didn't understand that 2% or Latino's identify with the label LatinX and the DNC just kept calling them LatinX. They also used google translate on some spanish words and didn't research or ask actual Latinos how to phrase things and they completely screwed themselves. The facts are that the DNC and the Harris campaign did NOT listen to people first and told them instead.
I guess it depends on how you slice and dice it to decide which demographic it was that put him over the top, but from what I understand he blew away everyone's expectations with blacks and Latinos.
Still, if half of what you say about the Dems approach Latinos is true, that's perhaps the most damning thing about a modern political party that I've ever heard.
After living in Latin America for 23 years I've said this for the last 3-4 years when every liberal thought that all of the Latin's fleeing to America were looking for the same gov't they were leaving, not a chance LOL
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Sorry, missed this response. Yes, I have a daughter. I hear you on inflation, realizing we disagree as to whether the Biden Administration caused the global supply chain problem--regardless of the cause, it's an issue that Americans are feeling, and those feeling it voted accordingly. And there's no defending the Biden Administration's border policy--don't think most rational folks (right or left) would dispute that or disagree that we need to do better to control that going forward ---the mass deportation (and the logistics of that) aspect does give me pause.
The COVID response is a master class on the effects of mob rule and weak government. If only we can get over the partisan and divide and realize that.
The COVID response caused inflation. So Trump bares blame for starting it. Shutting down the means of production while at the same time dumping trillions (plural) into the economy proved to be an example of what NOT to do in the face of a global pandemic.
The Trump government spent more than 7 trillion dollars in 2020. Trump and Biden together spent slightly more than that in 2021. Biden then continued to spend over 6 trillion a year each subsequent year, topping out this year at a post COVID high of 6.187 trillion in government spending. This sustained government spending is the cause for persistent inflation. Sure, Trump started it; but Biden helped sustain it. While there may be some truth to being able to spend your way out of a recession, there's no spending your way out of inflation.
Still, I recognize that both Trump and Biden were in untenable situations. I mean, what is Trump going to do when every so-called expert (gag) is telling the public we had to shut down the economy to stop the spread? Knowing how crippling that would be on an economy and national psyche already on its heels from nationwide race riots, here came the bipartisanly popular government stimulus. You needed a bold leader who would stand up in the face of this mob rule mentality, and say, "NO! This is not what we are going to do." But all this is retrospective. Even I thought a brief temporary lockdown was necessary. I too was afraid (how easy it is to be brave in hindsight).
As for Biden, if he does curtail spending to the point of near austerity--what he truly needed to do to curtail inflation--there's no way he wins re-election. Given that he didn't win anyway, wish he would have been strong enough to do what needed to be done. All too often, the correct remedies are simply not popular.
In closing, if you want to know what I think root causes of inflation where it was mob-rule and a government too weak to stand up to it. Jean-Jacques Russo's chapter on Democracy in The Social Contract has perhaps never been more apt than here. I've probably quoted this line a half dozen times on these boards, but I feel compelled to do it again here...
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Let us add that there is no government so subject to civil wars and internal agitations as the democratic or popular, because there is none which tends so strongly and so constantly to change its form, none which demands more vigilance and courage to be maintained in its own form. It is especially in this constitution that the citizen should arm himself with strength and steadfastness, and say every day of his life from the bottom of his heart what a virtuous Palatine said in the Diet of Poland: Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium(*). If there were a nation of gods, it would be governed democratically. So perfect a government is unsuited to men.
(*) I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery
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I couldn't care less if a man wants to identify as a woman. I do care if my govt schools' psychologist are asking 4yos if they've considered they might be born in the wrong body.
Not at all concerned about "trans people", and I dare say neither is the Republican party at large. It is, however, ALL ABOUT "the issues surrounding it". How can you possibly divorce yourself from that?
You mentioned one of the issues surrounding it yourself: protecting girls' sports. Here's another revealed in a personal anecdote you perhaps did not consider...
I have twin girls. When the NC bathroom bill was at its fever-pitch, my girls were taking swim lesson at the base pool. If you are not familiar with the layout, boys enter via a locker room on one side, girls on another. The locker rooms are all open--that is, no stalls or private changing booths. On the occasions that I am not with my wife, I had to let my girls navigate this locker room by themselves. I really don't want them getting an eyeful of some weird dude with massive boobs and a penis. Before this trans insanity, a man exposing himself in such a manner to a child is a criminal offense. Now its apparently supposed to be a protected civil right.
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Here's Carville telling the liberals once again that they have to keep their ideas underwraps so they can fool the sheep again to put them back into power.
I'm sorry, but I love to see these folks in melt down mode. It makes me smile.
Carville has done 2 notable things in his life,
1: Get a redneck womanizing Governor from Arkansas who was Impeached for fcking an intern and accused for several other sexual assaults as well as multiple visits to Epstein and Pedo Island
2: Out kick his coverage and marry a much smarter conservative women
Now he's entering into dementia Joe territory
I've said this to one of my friends numerous times. How does someone marry a person who totally disagrees with your political persuasion?
The "experts" insisted on it, but it was his call. And I thought it was the right one at the time. They were wrong, he was wrong. I was wrong. We all were wrong....or maybe perhaps just most of us. Not sure I've talked to anyone who didn't think the initial lockdown was the right call at the time.
Disagree. Covid was a total unknown at the time and Trump was being fed from fauci and others that this was a 100 year pandemic type scenario. I think he had no choice but to do what he did initially which was to shut it down. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback here.
We're saying (mostly) the same things.
Trump had a choice, even if it wasn't much of one. It's better for all of us if we understand that--but none more than Trump. Retrospective analysis is essential for people in leadership positions. Either Trump abdicated to Fauci (a far worse offense), or he did what seemed prudent at the time, even if proved wrong in hindsight. To be sure, there isn't a person alive that would not have done the initial shutdown. And Trump was probably the only person with the balls to resist further shutdowns.
Let's not lose sight of the bigger picture. The shutdown was part of the cause of inflation. Dumping trillions of stimulus on top of the shutdown was his doing as well. And if we are being faithful to our retrospective analysis, The Fed and the near-zero interest rates played a significant role has well.
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Agree. Trumps stimulus was absolutely required. The Biden stimulus was a huge mistake as the economy was back running and improving quickly imo.
What makes you think that is actually happening? Serious question.
Certainly first I've heard of it...some further questions that come to mind:
- Is it a policy or did it happen once or at one school?
- Have you spoken with 4 year olds often? (They wouldn't even know what that question is inferring, if they were asked)
- "Govt" school psychologist? Nationwide, only 1/3 of children are enrolled in 4K programs that are State run.
- Note, State run and not Federal run. No such thing as the latter.
- Does any 4K program anywhere even have a psychologist on staff?
I could go on. Show me evidence this actually happened even one time. To me, it just sounds like fluff from the right; trying to distract from actual issues and use FEAR to control their voters. I mean, why not.....It is a winning strategy, after all.
Fair questions.
I don't have data, but there has been an explosion in prescriptions for puberty blockers and other gonadotropin hormones. So it's not an altogether contrived or irrational fear.
My close friend's wife, a nurse, worked at a clinic where "transitioning children" were treated. It's disturbing and heart-rending. Let grown adults do what they want to themselves, but can we pump the brakes on doing this to children? Is that really so radical?
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What you are talking about is an entirely different topic than what I responded to - the claim that "government school psychologists are asking 4 year olds if they were born in the wrong body." And stated as if this is happening en masse to 4 year olds all across the US.
I would love a response from the person who made this claim showing evidence of this happening even a single time to one of the roughly 5million 4 year olds in the US.
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Regarding your questions and topic. First of all, I think this whole thing is wildly overblown. Wildly. It is estimated there are 0.5% of US adults who are transgender - a very small percentage, right? Ok, well there are 72.5million children in the US. That means 362,500 of those children will be/are transgender and some percentage of those will decide to transition at some point in their lives. I don't think it's unreasonable that some of them will be ready to make that decision before their 18th birthday and be convicted about it. That is not a small number of people when it comes down to the human level and anecdotal stories. At the end of the day, I believe it's between those children and their parents to make the decision they feel is right.
I'll also say this, I truly feel for any family in such a situation. It is hard enough to be a teenager these days when you are "normal". I have a middle schooler and another not far behind, and I sure hope neither of them have to go through such an ordeal. If they do, I will be a loving and supportive parent and we will have many conversations and I will certainly encourage them to wait as long as possible before making the very permanent decision that transition is; which is exactly what I believe 99% of families in these difficult situations are doing. How presumptuous is it for any of us to assume that is not the case when we aren't there in those households? And what of the flipside scenario - where a child tells their parent and is berated or abused because the parent does want to hear it or doesn't believe them, or the kid is too scared to tell their parent because they know how they'll react? This is all really, really difficult and personal stuff.
I don't want to get into the weeds on policy stuff around this. I don't know the rules and regulations or details around these things and I'm sure they vary widely from State to State. It's very personal and I think people going through such a difficult thing should be well supported and not ostracized or made to be ashamed.
What I really take issue with is this topic being used as a tool of fear to manipulate people and to try to paint half of the population as child abusers. The portrayal of these situations as if there are abusive parents dragging their children kicking and screaming to seedy back alley clinics where their children and mutilated and sexually abused. As if such atrocities are widespread and sanctioned not only by an entire swath of voters, but by political leaders. It's gross and it's flat out false and it says more about the ones spreading such falsehoods than anything else.
