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I think this is a pretty fair response for the most part. I see where you are coming from and from a social policy perspective I agree that Trump is certainly not at the extreme right. It’s hard to put Trump in a box.

What puts the Republican Party in a bind is his behavior. When he does things like retweet videos of people shouting white power, mock physically disabled people, disregard basic science, engage in juvenile rhetoric on a weekly basis, it doesn’t project moderate or compassionate behavior. This is and will be part of the challenge for Republicans moving forward - inevitably he has hurt the brand for moderate republicans who can’t stand behind his character.

I was previously registered Republican. Now independent. I have certainly voted Republican more than Democrat in my life. I like Trumps fiscal policies. I don’t think he is a kind and compassionate human being. I do think Republican politicians will be in a quandary for years I’m having to disassociate from his behavior.

I don’t post a lot and really try to avoid the extremes of online debate which are a big root cause of why we are where we are today. I do understand your points made above. But I also hope we can all collectively move forward from these binary discussions one day - there are plenty of shades of gray and room for reasonable discussion.

That’s all nice, but back to your original post.
Name the moderate Dems that are visibly and vocally standing up to the radicals? I’m not saying there aren’t any, I just can’t name them. Not one.
 
That’s all nice, but back to your original post.
Name the moderate Dems that are visibly and vocally standing up to the radicals? I’m not saying there aren’t any, I just can’t name them. Not one.

You make a valid point. I can’t think of any off the top of my head. I wish there were more.
 
Maybe it will work. If so, fantastic. I'm a big fan of prevention as opposed to correction.

If it doesn't and Seattle turns into a post-apocalyptic nightmare - fvck it. Not my problem. Let it burn.

This is what the people who live in Seattle voted for. Let them reap what they have sown.
 
That’s all nice, but back to your original post.
Name the moderate Dems that are visibly and vocally standing up to the radicals? I’m not saying there aren’t any, I just can’t name them. Not one.

I think they are out there but the problem is that moderate positions don't translate to Twitter posts. They require nuance. And in a society where our collective IQ is rapidly approaching zero, nuance is too hard for most people.

But do notice that the presumed Democratic presidential nominee was the most moderate candidate.
 
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“...mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

hmmmm.

Man, the Folks that debated and put together our initial Constitution sure were prescient.
 
I think they are out there but the problem is that moderate positions don't translate to Twitter posts. They require nuance. And in a society where our collective IQ is rapidly approaching zero, nuance is too hard for most people.

But do notice that the presumed Democratic presidential nominee was the most moderate candidate.

The Pubs who’ve taken stands against Trump have not worried about nuance and carefully, easily-retractable, constructed statements.
The Lincoln Project has been very clear what they were about. Ann Coulter left no doubt where she stood when she went after Trump. Fiorina flat out said she was voting Biden. Romney has been very transparent. McCain was, too.
Moderate Dems are absolutely scared to death to speak up. Petrified. And the far left knows.
 
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Who put is in Nam? Who voted bi partisan for the war in the Middle East.

You're saying you don't believe in your right to bear arms. The opposite you push, therefore, is the taking of a citizens firearms. Try it, bitch. Is that what you want to hear.

And abortion isn't, and shouldn't, be a means of birth control. Rape? Yes. There are thousands looking to adopt.
Not sure what you are trying to say.

My point was that the Republican party is pretty consistent and has fought for the same issues for years. There really is no extreme republican party right now.

The closest they ever got was the Tea Party rising a few years ago. But even that was not near the extremist view of what the democratic party is going through right now.

You can't and should not equate the extreme side of the democratic party with extreme right wing nut jobs that are not trying to run the government. And if local and no federal rule and law is a definition of extreme right, then how is that different from what CHOP was.

There are two extreme sides to rule of law. 1. complete self governance (extreme right - not rebublican) and 2. Complete reliance on the government (Extreme Left = extreme Democrat). One of these is gaining traction in one of the parties of our two party system.

Neither is the answer for the greater good of our country, but a lot more people are willing to just give the government control - but only when it suits their needs.
 
The Pubs who’ve taken stands against Trump have not worried about nuance and carefully, easily-retractable, constructed statements.
The Lincoln Project has been very clear what they were about. Ann Coulter left no doubt where she stood when she went after Trump. Fiorina flat out said she was voting Biden. Romney has been very transparent. McCain was, too.
Moderate Dems are absolutely scared to death to speak up. Petrified. And the far left knows.

And they're destroying America as we knew.
 
I think this is a pretty fair response for the most part. I see where you are coming from and from a social policy perspective I agree that Trump is certainly not at the extreme right. It’s hard to put Trump in a box.

What puts the Republican Party in a bind is his behavior. When he does things like retweet videos of people shouting white power, mock physically disabled people, disregard basic science, engage in juvenile rhetoric on a weekly basis, it doesn’t project moderate or compassionate behavior. This is and will be part of the challenge for Republicans moving forward - inevitably he has hurt the brand for moderate republicans who can’t stand behind his character.

I was previously registered Republican. Now independent. I have certainly voted Republican more than Democrat in my life. I like Trumps fiscal policies. I don’t think he is a kind and compassionate human being. I do think Republican politicians will be in a quandary for years I’m having to disassociate from his behavior.

I don’t post a lot and really try to avoid the extremes of online debate which are a big root cause of why we are where we are today. I do understand your points made above. But I also hope we can all collectively move forward from these binary discussions one day - there are plenty of shades of gray and room for reasonable discussion.

ok, I understand where you’re coming from, but it has nothing to do with your “both sides” original post. Trumps tweets are not policy. You cannot use feelings and equate that to an extreme right. Other than idiots on the internet, the extreme right doesn’t exist and it’s and false argument to deflect attention from the moronic Dems right now. I don’t think you’re being unreasonable in this thread, but your original “both sides” post was 100% wrong.
 
I just really wish there weren't political parties. It would force a lot of people to have to think for themselves instead of following group think. I think that many more community based/local issues would be solved instead of following a failry unified wide party scheme.
 
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[QUOTE="appalachiatiger, post: 3983866, member: 6776"we are now openly discussing the possibility of moving to a social democratic country

possibility?
My man, it’s here. We absolutely will see the US as a Socialist country. Breaks my heart.[/QUOTE]

i remember before the wall fell it was american patriots duty to defend american soil both foreign

and domestic

so once they say check mate

former military personnel, former police officers, and anyone who will proudly defend our system will start shooting to kill these communist

i dont think they realize that yet

they push us too far and they will die

pretty simple actually
 
and i told yall from the get go this had nothing to do with black lives matter

these communist used black people to move their agenda closer to their goals

i know alot of black people pissed about it

this is a working class america versus a poor homeless drug invested group of self righteous 20 somethings that think they all are worth $75,000 a year for gracing us with their presence. of which most are white spoiled brats.
 
To your point about no moderate dems right now, that’s part of the problem. There are no visible moderate republicans either. The only people making noise are the lunatics on both sides.

My hope for the country is that enough of a silent majority of moderates exist to pull us through this time of extremes.

We lock ourselves into these binary discussions which is not productive. There are plenty of people out there who think that the Bernie Sanders’/AOC views on the country are dangerous, who also think that Trump is unstable, unfit and destructive, and just want a reasonable moderate who is a decent human being. But those views don’t generate clicks. And those people are without a political “tribe” at the moment.

the moderates from both parties do speak

but the mainstream press doesnt give them any airtime-

not extreme enough to capture hits

apparently watching a man get killed over and over and over again for weeks and bytching about just like i dont get it.
 
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Prime example why people need to pay attention to local politics. The Federal Government should not have to step in and solve issues like this. I do not like seeing the Fed do much of anything that the local and state governments should be handling. People need to pay attention and vote accordingly. Vote for the politician that most fits your views. Party and race are really of no concern if you pay close attention.

You are 100% correct. Talk till you are blue in the face. Won't do any good. You are talking some higher order stuff there. To think like you do one would have to understand things like... History. The concept of a Republic made up of Snited States. Separation of State and Federal powers. The Constitution etc.

Then, you might have to have a sense of the duties that come along with the benefits of Citizenship. You would need a sense of personal responsibility and an aversion for having to accept help from others. A moral compass grounded in Judeo Christian beliefs would also be a plus.

But right now we have no time for that. We need to slay some racist statues.
 
trivia question-

this statement came directly from a political candidate website;

ACTUAL DEFINITION OF WHITE PRIVILEGE=

'A few Americans are just born into opportunity. They’re handed all the tools, and all the connections, and all the capital it takes to build any kind of life they can imagine. And as dad would say, good for them. But for the majority of Americans, opportunity isn’t something you’re given. It’s something you have to earn through hard work."

so the question is- of these 5 groups- which one would not support this statement??

a progressive {ie- communist, socialist, anarchist, liberal, kkk, blm, all those that get emotionally charged up and will piss on a statue to get their way

a moderate

a liberatarian

a republican

a conservative
 
To your point about no moderate dems right now, that’s part of the problem. There are no visible moderate republicans either. The only people making noise are the lunatics on both sides.

My hope for the country is that enough of a silent majority of moderates exist to pull us through this time of extremes.

We lock ourselves into these binary discussions which is not productive. There are plenty of people out there who think that the Bernie Sanders’/AOC views on the country are dangerous, who also think that Trump is unstable, unfit and destructive, and just want a reasonable moderate who is a decent human being. But those views don’t generate clicks. And those people are without a political “tribe” at the moment.

Youre drinking the koolaid. Trump came because of this lunatic left movement. He saw it being grown by Obama and had enough and decided to do something about it. Trump is a very decent but imperfect human being that chose to take this abuse because he loves his country and has gotten more good done in spite of rabid resistance than any POTUS in modern times. He is demonized non stop by all of msm except Fox and it has painted a distorted picture of him. I admire, appreciate and pray for President Trump daily to be successful in the mission to save America.
 
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Youre drinking the koolaid. Trump came because of this lunatic left movement. He saw it being grown by Obama and had enough and decided to do something about it. Trump is a very decent but imperfect human being that chose to take this abuse because he loves his country and has gotten more good done in spite of rabid resistance than any POTUS in modern times. He is demonized non stop by all of msm except Fox and it has painted a distorted picture of him. I admire, appreciate and pray for President Trump daily to be successful in the mission to save America.

Exactly.
 
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