This is Trump's Republican Party
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No it isn't. The stench of Trump will fade away quickly I hope. For all he was able to accomplish there's no forgiving the way he's conducted himself in the aftermath of the election.
right. he will walk away quietly. seems like a viable plan.
If I were a member of his cabinet, I would be for going into his office and saying either you concede this election and shut the hell up or we'll invoke the 25th amendment and remove you from office.
The only people left in his cabinet at this point are spineless lackeys. There’s a near 0% chance they’d have the guts to do this.
I agree and good for you. Melania's Chief of Staff just resigned.
You bear some responsibility for what's taking place today.
No I do not. You are such a clown. Stop being part of the problem.
The new bear responsibility for the 60 million dead on born babies. For the hundreds of thousands of people that have overdosed on opioids. For the thousands of people that have died trying across the border. For all the racial discord in our country. I could go on and on for the things that you're responsible for if I am somehow responsible for this. Just go away!
Donald Trump made this country worse. End of story.
I'm sorry, but you absolutely do. You were an enabler, and the enablers are how we got here. You were playing around with gasoline and matches and expected no consequences. I do hope there is sufficient soul searching after this. Forgiveness is appropriate, but only after a sufficient reckoning.
The second part of your post is just naked whataboutism
Ditto. You can appreciate the job and despise the man. I've said that for 2 years. SMH if you think this crew some of you elected aren't going to do exactly what they said.....and we''ll ALL be the worse for it. Idiots.
Actually, the left and the right equally bear just as much but you'll never admit it.
First, you gave America Hilary as the Dem front runner for the 2016 election and she lost to a reality TV show muppet so you can't blame the middle for voting repub when they couldn't buy into her message. In reality you have to wear some of the responsibility for not producing a candidate that could beat what we have right now. The right needs to understand they are now in the same boat so there should be no crying until the next election.
Second, not too many had much to say all year long when cities were burning to the ground. That told the radicals on the right that it was ok to use force when they didn't feel like they were getting their way. Like it or not, there wasn't uproar all of 2020 by ALL MEDIA, BOTH PARTIES, etc to decry what we saw unfold nightly. If you disagree with that, then my own personal opinion is many have selective memories.
Third, the media need to be held accountable as there simply isn't a trustworthy news source at this point. Had there been less partisan divide and more neutral, honest reporting, Americans might not be moving further apart and feeling like they have to choose one outlet over the other. You can argue that all you want to but just look at Fox and then look at CNN and tell me what you see after reading the same story, reported miles differently.
The shocking part is no one seems to be American enough to admit that the country has been in turmoil for quite some time, especially in 2020. I saw plenty of periphery politicians, media, celebs and sports moguls practically justify all the things we saw regarding absolute meltdown across the country. What I see now at least is both sides speaking out against what happened yesterday so at least the country finally has some middle ground. No one semi-sane is ok with what happened.
There is absolutely no justification for what took place yesterday and I think more force should have been used to prevent it but these self-righteous posts are a bit much.
Amazing that they are still both sides-ing this
Social media isn't a trusted news source. But acting like one doesn't exist is silly. Conservatives have by and large allowed fox news and social media to feed them a false narrative, that doesn't mean other news outlets aren't trustworthy. Sure I don't watch CNN, but I do read the news papers. Their is still journalism going on, the problem for Republicans, is that journalism shows that Trump has been a terrible president.
I will never understand trying to equate the trump mob with BLM. Let me guess you think BLM movement has no valid argument. I mean I too despise the violence that broke out, I don't agree with looting and rioting. But I at least empathize and agree theres actually a problem with how society treats POC. Do you actually think the trump mob has a valid argument? Do you really believe their conspiracies without any evidence?
Just look at the white right yesterday performing a stupid coup attempt. They weren't shot in the streets, they were allowed to disperse. Cops in my own city of Charlotte marched on peaceful BLM protestors and flanked them, left them no way to get out and proceeded to tear gas and beat them for not dispersing.
No one I know except @HumasButthole is condoning violence.
You are something else. I'm not asking forgiveness and I was never a Trump supporter. Ever! And even people who were don't deserve to be branded in any way. I'm not going to support a group that kills babies in the womb because they think it's okay to do that. You'll never get on the right side of that so good luck with that. If you don't like me because of how I vote then I really couldn't care less. And the second part of my post wasn't whataboutism. That's a term someone came up with to try to justify something without having to look in the mirror at the same time. We can be sure that was someone on the left because that's their way of life.
This is what we're going to have to work through together. You live in a world that is outside of reality and so do people on the right. The election wasn't stolen but also the media you here to take in is filled to the brim with falsehoods as well. You're going to have to realize that.
All this controversy in the state of Georgia and there is no evidence of voter fraud. There may have been vote buying efforts but that's not something that can be proven with election data. When we look at the election machines and everything else the vote was on the level. Republicans lost and they need to figure out how to start winning again in the state of Georgia. I live in Cobb county and our county completely flipped blue. In 2008 when I voted for president a great number of county offices were uncontested GOP. Now they are about to be occupied by democrats. This isn't all bad because it's going to force the GOP to be better in order to win elections. Contested elections are always better because you get better candidates instead of partisan assholes.
I have friends all over this country with all kinds of different views and it's amazing to me how out of touch people who take in far right and far left news are. The biggest problem we have is far left news and mainstream news are the same thing these days. I could spend all day listing all the lies that have been told. As poorly as he is represented himself, no one endured more lies than Trump. But after the way he's conducted himself in the aftermath of this election that will never matter because he is completely destroyed himself and made everything that was said about him true even though it wasn't when it was said. He is a sad, sad tale.
He is about to be gone and we're going to have to find a way to pick up the pieces and start working together. There are so many raw emotions, so much anger and so much distrust. This is our challenge and we're going to have to rise to it or else we will fall in a horrible way.
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I agree with a lot of this,but I really think we all need to look in the mirror and have some self reflection. We have reaped what we have sewn. We have accepted and paid for media that parrots exactly what we want to hear. We all like living in an echo chamber, it makes us feel smart to be told that we are right.
I will argue that what we are seeing with our current media situation is different. When we have sites like OAN and Newsmax that peddle complete conspiracy theory as fact that's really scary. We all need to demand better, we need to demand that we have less first rhetoric, we need to lower the anger levels. We have just peeked over the cliff yesterday and hopefully we can demand that America pulls back from the edge a little bit.
I know you're a fair minded guy so consider this. We had the entire leftwing media peddle the Russia situation for four years. This includes the New York Times, Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. Hell the primary news anchor for ABC came from the Clinton campaign, not from journalism school. They used multiple mischaracterizations and outright misrepresentations to further a narrative. The people who supported President Trump were watching this. There are so many stacks of lies that have been told by the left and the leftist media that it's impossible to list them all.
You're focused on the narrative of the election being stolen but there were so many others before this that makes stealing the election seem plausible. We have to decide who we are in this country. Are we for truth no matter what, no matter who, no matter where or are we for politicization of everything? The truth almost never gets told these days and people take the boards like this parroting stuff that just isn't true. That wears on people on both sides and now it's to the point where we can't agree on anything being true. We have to start with the unfiltered, unbiased truth and go from there. We're talking about close to half the country on each side of this argument. This is one we have to resolve or there will be devastating consequences.
I always thought that the Russia thing was a waste of time. Anyone who didn't know about Trump pre election wasn't going to be swayed post election. Trump is a corrupt scumbag, he's always been a corrupt scumbag, that's who he is. I wasn't at all suprised that he would have tried to get an advantage anywhere he could, what was funny to me, was how completely inept he and his family was at getting help from foreign actors.
We so badly need a political moderate who can be persuasive and inspire all Americans. We have such a vaccuum of trust in America.
Out parties capitalize on issues that divide. You will never vote Democrat because of the pro-choice platform. I have voted both, but there are absolutely things on the republican platform that I don't like.
You voted for one of the worst, if not the historically worst president we will ever see over one issue. You knew he was a terrible candidate, but you still did it. We have got to avoid being sucked in to these fights over issues that aren't going to change.
I didn't vote for Trump. I didn't vote for him in the primary and actually I campaigned against him specifically. He was the last person I wanted out of that entire field. I warned people this kind of stuff would happen because he is the god in his universe. That being said, he governed a lot better than I had hoped he would. I just never listened to his all praise me approach to things.
As for as bad as he is, the two candidates chosen by the other side were worse. I didn't vote over just one issue. I consider leftism the greatest threat to freedom we have ever seen. It's based on lies and deception. It's bad. People will say "What about the white supremacists on the far right?" They are roundly condemned and abhorrent in every way. I would fight to the death to stop them from coming to power. But they have no real power so while they are a threat, they pale in comparison to what's coming from the left. Many liberals see this and are writing about it. The yare being ostracized and ignored. Eventually, people are going to figure out what the left is and God helps us all when we do.
Trump ended his term just the way I feared he would. I'm not sorry he's about to be gone but I am also sorry that we have to deal with the enormously deceitful president we're about to have. It's been remarkable to me to see that how obnoxious a person acts is what turns people off. It's not that they lie. It's just how they go about their lying. That's why we are where we are today. At the end of it though, we're exchanging a maniacal, egotistical liar for a pathological liar with even worse judgment. That doesn't seem like progress to me.
The media lies and misrepresents literally everything and protects the establishment no matter what. Left or right, it doesn’t matter. Both sides are engaged in corruption, and the media and big tech are their defenses and propagandists
Everythjng anti-establishment is labeled conspiracy theory, and never-trumpers and people on the left accept that without question
One of two things are going to happen... Either something happens to force Big Tech and the media to start being honest so we can all come together to agree on things and resolve our differences, or there is civil war. Simple as that
People on the right who think we can reconcile our differences without major reform to BT/MSM are absolutely naive and are kidding themselves
Never-Trumpers and leftists who talk about working things out peacefully are simply using nice wording to mask what they really mean, you either agree and submit to our version of reality or no deal
Why do you think I live in a world outside of reality? Because I read the newspapers? my gawd, I don't believe everything I read and I know the difference between an editorial opinion and a published story. Im not some extremist advocating for some tribal outlook on the world. Im stating that you saying that there is no credible news source is a ridiculous zero sum argument.
But for once can you condemn Trump and realize that he is dangerous and moronic and took advantage of the anger and ignorance of the right?
You also bear some of the responsibility. Any person who has spent the last 4 years openly advocating for this white supremacist, nazi sympathizing piece of shit shares in the responsibility of yesterday's attempted coup.
It may be zero sum in your mind but that doesn't make it any less true. I know of no credible news source at this time.
You are fully radicalized, and your opinions are all invalid. Peddle that poison somewhere else.
Dude is the epitome of the anger and ignorance of the right. Don't expect a straight answer on that.
Wrong, you just believe it's all fake news because Trump said it is. Stop trying to act like your trumpism isn't trumpism.
See here's the thing. What you really mean here by "being honest" is "say things that validate the narrative that I want to be true."
You don't believe the media? That's fine. Then look at what happened in actual courts of law. If there was any validity to all of the madness that has been spewed the last 2 months, then that evidence would have been presented in court....but it wasn't.....because it's fantasy.
Judges aren't trying to sign up new users, or keep people engaged in order to generate ad revenue. They listen to the facts and then render a decision based on the law, and in every single one of these cases, they (including judges he appointed) laughed Trump's legal team out of court.
Social media isn't a news source, it is an aggregator of news sources that is presently choosing what the world sees. It's acting as a filter and that doesn't help anyone build trust. I find that I have to look at multiple sources to get a sense of what's close to honest and what has a biased view and then I have to form my own opinion from what I've read. I've agreed and disagreed with plenty from both sides here. In all honesty, there have been one or two things that I've bought into hook, line and sinker that I was wrong about and I openly owned that.
A violent mob is a violent mob.......I don't equate or compare, one is not better than the other. There is no place for radical movements that instill damage, stolen goods or violence towards people regardless of the message. My views on BLM aren't changed or influenced by people setting cities on fire but I will always disagree with the approach. I have black and mixed race family who I love very dearly and I have supported racial equality since I was a child. I also went to foreign countries and fought for POC where they were being targeted, killed and oppressed. To answer your question, no.....I do not believe the radical right has a valid argument for what happened yesterday and no, I do not buy into the far right conspiracy engine but I do think government as a whole can be corrupt (non-partisan here). My opinions also mean very little to you as they are just that, my opinions and I recognize that.
You wouldn't hear me complaining if those people had been treated like it was an embassy siege and shot dead on attempt. We are presently being mocked in foreign nations and that didn't just start yesterday for what it's worth.
The toughest part is I feel sad for all of us. I gave this country things I can never get back and it pains me to see where it is right now. That is about as honest and neutral as I can be. Both sides are wrong and I'm not going to lose sleep if anyone doesn't agree with that.
SO we agree then, we are both responsible? I didn't openly advocate for anyone, I just openly advocated against Hillary (who you stood behind) and Biden (who you stood behind). Had you put Bloomberg up, we aren't having this conversation.
No, there is no explaining your way out of this. It's very cut & dried. If you supported Trumpism in any way, you share a role. Trump was and is a far greater threat to America than Hillary, Biden, or any other liberal boogeyman you want to throw out.
So unless I agree with you, I'm wrong and you're right? Go it......so nothing will change between now and the next election despite that "unity and healing" nonsense? Also got it.....
If you need to stick the blame somewhere, I'll shoulder it for you if that will help you move on.
Don't kid yourself on Hillary.
Exactly. We always knew who this guy was. He's never hid it. Totally fine if you didn't like Hillary or Biden, but they are not equivalent to this guy. There is no Democratic equivalent to this guy.
Yah this is such bs, you just don't like the news because it is terrible for the 'conservative' party right now. I have a suggestion though, don't fool yourself into 'doing your own research' by following idiots on social media and believing what they say.
Heres the nuance I want you to understand I'm communicating: We can argue about narratives, but we should not be arguing about facts.
Heres a fact: Trump lost the election. We can talk about and debate what this means for our country, but if you are trying to equate OAN with APnews and say that oh man they are all bad news sources... No. ApNews reported facts. OAN and Newsmax and Fox news as well and others have circulated made up conspiracies to manufacture a false narrative. Thats fake news. Just because you suddenly realized its fake, doesn't make all news fake.
Remember theres facts and narratives. You seem to be getting them mixed up.
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