I fear the worst, lasting impact from Trump's presidency could be it created a vacuum in which extreme policy ideas were allowed to slip in.
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I fear the worst, lasting impact from Trump's presidency could be it created a vacuum in which extreme policy ideas were allowed to slip in.
I agree with this. I also think the complete and total mistrust of any media,and organized body such as the AMA or CDC is a really dangerous road he has led a lot of his followers down.
There is teleprompter Trump and then there is Twitter Trump. He says kinda the right thing one day with a few backhand comments and then he is back to winking to his internet troll fanboys, which include Proud Boys and Neo-nazis.
Trump's inner circle knows and enjoys cultivating a relationship with the Proud Boys and their ilk and has done so since Charlottesville--they are totally fine with it.
And this is the problem I have with Trump but also this faux libertarian intellectualism of the right. You take something truly awful and try to provide justification and moral equivalencies that allow true evil to go unchecked. There is always a rationalization, always a way to push this back on the left, always a way to make awful things into political points, which fuels conspiracy circles that are now mainstream conservative thought.
.... look i think you are trying to come from a good place so let me just tell you that I also have faith in this country and my fellow American. I can say that and also absolutely disagree with you.
I'm not here for blood I'm here asking for reason. White washing the grievances people have with Trump's policies, words and actions isn't a way to move forward.
I saw this with Bush II as well, pubs finally turning on him, then saying oh well just get over it. Same pubs voted for Trump. Look, the progressives are not going to just get over this. You all have to stop falling for 'socialism' scare tactics of your party and you have to stop supporting obstructionists in our government. I'm sick and tired of the lazy intellectualism to justify Trump's presidency. The dude was a disaster. Who knows what the GOP will put forth next, I'm worried it will be worse.
It is scary, the day after this happened Trump phoned into a RNC meeting (he was scheduled to go, but they found a pipe bomb that a Trumpster had planted the day before) and he received a STANDING ****ING OVATION. That was the RNC, not a QANON meeting.
I hope that reasonable republicans will boycott trump wherever he ends up. If he ends up on Newsmax, dont watch. Same for OANN. Starve him of the "ratings" he so desperately craves. This goes for MSM as well. My hope is that they will STFU about him when he is no longer president.
I've never watched Newsmax or OANN. I'm not even sure if they're on YouTube TV. But I unfortunately doubt he will be starved of ratings.
I wonder how much of the RNC crowd is drunk on Trump's expansion of the voting block. Say what you will - the guy won 74 MILLION votes - I believe more than any other candidate ever, other than Biden of course. He grew vote share with blacks, hispanics, etc. He won over blue collar workers. All traditional dem strongholds.
The GOP, strategically, has to walk a fine line to distance themselves from the toxic Trump brand while maintaining the base enthusiasm and solidifying the gains in non-traditional voting blocks. Very tall order.
My demographic is likely a big swing. Successful, educated, suburban. Many are traditional supporters of Republican policies, but were turned off by Trump and probably also the party's ineptitude on categories like healthcare and climate. These aren't people who want big government, so hopefully the GOP figures out how to win back this crowd.
Trump literally said "we love you" and "you're special" to the mob - which contained many Nazi's (IE people wearing "Camp Auschwitz" and "six million wasn't enough" shirts).
He told the Proud Boys to "stand by."
He called the Charlottesville Nazi's "good people."
You are either delusional, or you are dishonest, but you are certainly not accurate.
I'm sorry if you it makes you feel butthurt, but the truth doesn't care about your feelings.
So funny to me how the people who spent four years supporting a president who did everything he could to tear the country apart are now begging for civility.
A right-wing mob just attacked and tried to overthrow the government of the United States of America and to destroy our democracy. Come back again after you all admit and repent for your actions. Then we can talk about civility.
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Honestly a fiscally moderate republican who was more socially liberal would have a chance to win my vote. Both parties have sold their souls to the outer wings if their parties recently.
I will say that the left did seem to understand the danger of going too far left and self corrected to the middle with Biden. I'm curious to see if the republican s can do the same. They certainly didn't with Trump.
For once, you're right. This demographic did move decidedly against Trump in the last 3 years, particularly women. And you're right that the GOP's view on climate and healthcare continues to push them away.
They also remain skeptical of Democrats over fiscal issues, which is one of the reasons it was imperative that we nominate Biden and not Sanders.
That said, after yesterday, and with the base of the GOP still embracing Trumpism, I don't know how the GOP wins them back in the next 5 years.
You are so entrenched with leftist talking points that it's impossible to have a real conversation. He did not call nazis good people. I posted the quote. His son-in-law and grandchildren are jewish for christ's sake. He's a narcissistic asshole, not a nazi sympathizer.
But there's no point in discussing with you. You are an extremist and when I poked holes in your positions in another thread, you stopped responding.
I think we could take a big step forward if republicans would acknowledge that Trump calls journalism fake news, because he doesn't like answering questions that make him look bad. Western political journalism has been completely under attack by this president and the whole whataboutism of Trumpism has led to the misinformation and coup attempt. If Republicans want to be taken seriously, they should start basing their discussions and policies on fact based reporting. Not twitter outrage.
This is exactly right. Trumpism is overt white supremacism, and it is inarguable.
Honest question.......did you get radicalized at MIT or Stanford? I'm guessing Stanford but I want to be sure so I know where not to send my kids.
(insert your response about how my kids won't get in here) Thanks in advance
I mean, how detached from reality are you?
Charlottesville: there were “very fine people on both sides.”
Debate: Trump refuses to denounces white supremacy and tells the Proud Boys to “stand by.”
Capitol attack; Trump tells the terrorists “we love you, you’re very special.”
You’re the one apologizing for a Nazi-sympathizer and I’m the extremist?
Honest question: what in my post was incorrect?
You make a lot of ad hominem attacks but you seem entirely unable to actually support an argument.
If you kid is able to go to MIT or Stanford there might be hope for him to not end up as pathetic as you. One can hope.
The issue though Andrew is I didn't want to argue with you. Like a few have said to you, there isn't any point in engaging as it's impossible to hold a civil conversation, even if the points you make are actually swallowable.
Hope for HER Andrew, not him....all hers in this house, or them/they or whatever I'm supposed to call them now. Let's hope they've got their mothers genes.......she's probably less pathetic.
Seriously though, my 10 year old actually wants to go to MIT and on to NASA. Any chance I can get you to write a letter of recommendation in about 8 years?
The establishment republican party is finished. The Trump will never turn out for them again. Short of more unexpected developments, I guess enjoy the coming socialist utopia in America the village.
Yay...you get an A+ for regurgitation of radical leftist talking points. The entire left speak is like little wind up robots all speaking the same words......over and over. Its scary honestly.
except, once again, that’s not true. I’ve help several civil conversations with folks on here, including with you in the short period where I bought the idea that you were the “reasonable” conservative. Then you switched to ad hominem attack and apologizing for a violent coup attempt.
Folks like you have spent 4 years defending the guy who has ripped the country apart and calling all Democrats “Marxists” but only now that you’re getting called out for it do you demand civility.
My post simply laid out the times Trump defended or praised literal Nazis. Those instances were pretty undeniable. And your response was to ask when I was “radicalized.”
You were trying to brush off sympathy for white supremacists by calling ME a radical. Then you demand civility.
Do you not see the massive hypocrisy there?
Was it a coup attempt when antifa created CHAZ and took over a portion of a city and a police station? That wasn't conservatives btw. Was it a coup attempt when hundreds of protesters broke into a senate building to protest Kavanaugh being sworn in? Was it a coup attempt when cities were under siege, police departments and state buildings being destroyed and people calling for abolishing the police? The point of everything above isn't to justify the other, you totally missed the point. I desperately want everyone to come together to condemn it all but you're too busy looking for blood because many might have voted in a way you didn't agree with and you are attacking them for it now and you will continue to attack them for it in the future. I'm not the only person on here that's been on the receiving end of it just so we are clear.
This is the hypocrisy that many have to tried to flag to you. Two wrongs don't make a right yet you seem to forget or acknowledge the other examples are wrongs. Did you condemn Johny Depp when he said he might assassinate a sitting president? What about Madonna when she said she might blow up the white house? What about Hillary when she suggested Biden never concede? Trump not conceding is a problem but it was ok when Hillary was telling Biden not to? Maxine W, Chris Cuomo, Ayanna P, Kamala, all indirectly encouraging protests (ie, riots) and I don't see you suggesting we round them up and kick them out. Why not? What's different? They all have viable platforms and have encouraged violence.
What I've said all year is that the majority of the nation is near the center and we need to get back there regardless of who's in office. What I've said all year is there is negative influence away from the center on both sides and I've even gone as far as to say that I am overly anti all forms of "radical" . No place for it and you start resembling nations in which I fought in if you continue to allow it. I've said that repeatedly. You just choose to read and interpret how you want so that you can use it against me or against others of a different view from yourself.
I thought Obama did a pretty damn good job of ripping the country a part but I'd bet you view that differently right? Do you think maybe that's because we might have different values or we might prioritize some things over others based on how they impact us as individuals or families? This is why discussing politics makes little sense. Like religion, it's down to interpretation and individual values.
And...... you're not civil......calling me a nazi, traitor with blood on my hands isn't civil. Telling me to go f*ck myself isn't civil. When you respond like that, I don't want to absorb your message. I don't want to listen to you. I don't want to try and understand how you might have some valid points. I stop seeing you as the bright guy that you might be and I view you as nothing more than an online bully, influencer that abuses people if they don't agree with him. I can't stand people that behave that way and what's embarrassing is that I came down to your level and continue to engage you.
For the record, I demanded civility before we ever spoke or crossed paths because I give it to others. I certainly gave it to you until I didn't receive it. Now you simply don't deserve it.
Trumpism = full throated white supremacism. If you're still defending this man and his followers, you actively condone and support white supremacy.
Clear as day - if you dont get it by now, you don't want to get it and you are the problem.
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