Forget about the midterms commiecrats.
The new golden age is upon us.
The new golden age is upon us.
Trump Executive Order on Election Security
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BREAKING: President Trump just signed an executive order requiring documentary proof of citizenship on voter registration forms, revoking Biden's order turning agencies into Democratic voter turnout centers, & cutting funding to states that don't secure their elections.
- Conditions federal election-related funds on states complying with the integrity measures set forth by Federal law.
- Directs the updating of the Voluntary Voting System Guidelines 2.0 and security standards for voting equipment -- which includes requiring a voter-verifiable paper ballot record and not using ballots in which the counted vote is contained within a barcode or QR code.
- Directs the Attorney General to enter into information-sharing agreements with state election officials to identify cases of election fraud or other election law violations.
- Takes appropriate action against states that count ballots received after Election Day in Federal elections.
THIS IS HUGE!
Just call me the great karnak. Told yall this was coming.
Action talks and Bullsh1t walks.
Trump withheld $400 million from Columbia and they changed their campus policies against Hamas supporters
Trump withheld federal funding from Maine and they banned men from women’s sports
Now Trump is withholding federal funding from states that don’t improve election integrity
Guess what’s going to happen
Trump withheld $400 million from Columbia and they changed their campus policies against Hamas supporters
Trump withheld federal funding from Maine and they banned men from women’s sports
Now Trump is withholding federal funding from states that don’t improve election integrity
Guess what’s going to happen
Will democrats filibuster this thereby acknowledging that they plan to cheat in all elections?
There is NO WAY that Dems would be against election security. After that signal chat snafu, the Dems are now the party of security. They are on that sh*t like a hobo on a ham sandwich!
Would expect some legal challenges. I don’t hate better election laws at the federal level. But a lot has always been up to the states. Another example of people being all for states rights until someone is in power they agree with then they want federal laws. (That goes both ways)
Having federal standards that ensure the security and integrity of federal elections doesn't have to infringe on what the states do in their state elections.
I don’t understand why much in there is controversial.
I had to prove my citizenship when I registered to vote. Exactly zero people should oppose this.
I have to present my photo ID to vote.
My voting machine printed a paper ballot which I scanned into the collection machine in the November election. Very easy process and I could verify my inputs.
Anyone participating in voter fraud should go to prison.
I don’t need an Election Day holiday, but I get it. Would prefer a half day for the US to keep business going.
Same day voting … meh. I was in the BVIs on Election Day and voted a bit early (in person). Huge pro Trump crowd down in the BVIs that week btw. I would support early in person (1 week) or absentee with documented excuse.
I had to prove my citizenship when I registered to vote. Exactly zero people should oppose this.
I have to present my photo ID to vote.
My voting machine printed a paper ballot which I scanned into the collection machine in the November election. Very easy process and I could verify my inputs.
Anyone participating in voter fraud should go to prison.
I don’t need an Election Day holiday, but I get it. Would prefer a half day for the US to keep business going.
Same day voting … meh. I was in the BVIs on Election Day and voted a bit early (in person). Huge pro Trump crowd down in the BVIs that week btw. I would support early in person (1 week) or absentee with documented excuse.
The end of Democracy is near. A king is taking over with all of his corruption. What a sad four years ahead.
I'm with you on the same day voting. I think that with people working shifts and on-call jobs, 24/7 retail employers etc, that one day and one day only is not good, BUT we don't need weeks and weeks. A weekday that is a federal holiday provides opportunity for the vast majority, and a weekend day would do the trick. Make the federal holiday on a Friday. And last day to vote on a Saturday.
Why does that matter? (@scotchtiger too).
I don't ask that adversarially, but if the method is secure, why wouldn't we want to ensure everyone is able to vote? I get the arguments for proof of citizenship, etc. Would prefer that come along with some additional funding to ensure everyone has the required docs, but at a minimum, I understand the desire. But cutting down the days I don't quite understand. But likely I'm missing something.
Derp
"Around 98 percent of all votes will be cast on paper in the 2024 general election"
Some Good News for Donald Trump: We Already Use Paper Ballots
Around 98 percent of all votes will be cast on paper in the 2024 general election.
The federal government doesn't fund elections at the state and local level. Withholding money from states accomplishes nothing. Just like this EO. It accomplishes nothing. It's performance disguised as policy, and it's based on nonsense.
This. Isn't. A. Problem.
Non citizens don't vote in our elections. Period.
This is fear mongering nonsense that's going to cause harm.
This. Isn't. A. Problem.
Non citizens don't vote in our elections. Period.
This is fear mongering nonsense that's going to cause harm.
Need time to vote, time to count. More time equals more time for shennanigans.
No reason to have voting going on for weeks and weeks and then storing cast ballots for weeks and weeks OR having a rolling count going on for weeks and weeks.
One day and one day only isn't the answer, IMO but with a national day off making it EASIER for the vast majority of people to vote, we can reduce the time window for voting. Edit: Mon- Saturday, 4 days, or whatever.
If the majority of ballots are already paper then that part is not a big deal. Only a few states need to make a switch. . At the very least, the working class people get a day off. Everyone should be in support of that.
What shenanigans? Magas like to fear-monger about voter fraud without the evidence to back up their claims. Less time also means less time for verification and curing votes. Just be honest and say that Republicans want less people to vote and the more restrictions they can place on voting, the better it is for them.
I guess it mainly feels like solving an issue that doesn't exist, thereby making it harder on some american's to vote. But thank you for sharing. I think I could get behind some amount of limited. And I do support a national holiday.
National holiday won't accomplish this goal. Does the service industry shut down when there is a holiday? Grocery stores? Gas stations?
This, just like the rest of the EO, doesn't accomplish anything. If you want more people to vote, make it easier to vote. Allow folks to vote on their own timeline.
"strengthen voter ID laws" is equated with "restricting voting" -- Lol. Yeah restrict voting to only the people who should be voting.
Wiki Article title is fear mongering as well.
Part of Trump's executive order included axing Biden's EO that directed federal agencies to “consider ways to expand citizens’ opportunities to register to vote and to obtain information about, and participate in, the electoral process.” Killing that EO doesn't strengthen voter ID laws but it does make registering to vote less accessible. Why would he do that?
Executive Order 14019—Promoting Access to Voting is a presidential executive order President Joe Biden (D) issued on March 7, 2021. E.O. 14019 directs federal agencies to develop state-level voter registration programs in states that use agency services or programs. The order states that “it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to expand access to, and education about, voter registration and election information, and to combat misinformation, in order to enable all eligible Americans to participate in our democracy.”[1]
Biden announced the order at the 2021 Martin and Coretta King Unity Breakfast. He said, “Every eligible voter should be able to vote and have it counted. If you have the best ideas, you have nothing to hide. Let the people vote.”[2] E.O. 14019 was the 34th Biden issued.
The order contains the following provisions:[1]
- Directs agencies to develop methods to increase voter registration opportunities and access to information, "including through agency materials, websites, online forms, social media platforms, and other points of public access."[1]
- Supercedes Section 3 of the National Voter Registration Act in relation to federal agencies being designated as voter registration agencies, requiring an agency to submit a written explanation if the agency refuses designation as a voter registration agency.
- Directs the General Services Administration (GSA) to modify the Vote.gov website to make it more accessible, including by providing language accommodations.
- Grants federal employees time off work to participate in the electoral process, including voting and serving as election workers.
- Provides voter registration information and opportunities to eligible citizens within the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
- Directs agencies to evaluate barriers to voting for people with disabilities and publish recommendations for the removal of these barriers.
- Directs the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Department of State, the Military Postal Service Agency, and the United States Postal Service, to develop methods for providing voter registration opportunities for military and overseas citizens and creating a ballot tracking system for overseas voters' absentee/mail-in ballots.
- Establishes a study group focused on Native American voting rights tasked with producing a report and recommendations for improving voting access in coordination with tribal nations and other groups.
Presidential Executive Order 14019 (Joe Biden, 2021)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
The point is that voter fraud isn’t happening, except on an extremely small scale. They’re want to pass laws that solve an imaginary problem and also do make it easier for malicious actors to curb voting rights.
Ever lived outside of the US? Why do most countries have a national holiday for elections despite the fact that most in Socialist countries like Mexico, Colombia, Costa Rica, etc do? Can’t buy alcohol the day before an election in Mexico, I wonder why?
Still doesn’t change anything because the facist liberals will still control the elections and cheat.
Just because he signs a piece of paper, doesn’t mean it will happen. Congress has to pass something called a “law.” Then it has to survive all of the lawsuits.
Good luck with that golden age thing. Lol
It's in the Constitution, plain as day. The idiots in this thread don't care, and the idiots running our country don't care.
Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
I'm struggling to find, "and the president can issue an eo and do whatever he wants" in that clause.
I’m having trouble making sense here. Are some of you saying that you should not be required to have a form of ID to vote? There’s no way any of you believe that. What would be the argument for not requiring someone to have an ID to vote? This seems like something that should have damn near 100% agreement amongst American. Why on earth would you jeopardize something as sacred as a vote.
Yeah…I haven’t seen that clause in the ole Constitution.
Here is what is happening.
Trump signs XYZ EO.
Trump EO = Action to MAGA nation
MAGA nation starts posting things about “golden age” (with a little g and little a) or how this fixes some liberal conspiracy
Organizations and people sue Trump EO because he doesn’t have power to do XYZ
EO is dead and not worth the paper used
That is how I see this constant cycle. Makes MAGA nation excited. Good for them.
Hi.
Here's the thing.
In person voting fraud is literally non existent. The heritage foundation tracks it. It's happened like 40 times in the last 40 years.
Every single state system has multiple identity checks to confirm a person's identity before their vote is counted.
Voting should be easier not harder. It's always a balancing test between access and security. You all are creating a false choice here. We already have access and security. We don't need to limit access further to increase security. It's unnecessary because in person voting fraud simple does not happen.
Wanna know what else? Every state in the country already checks registrants against the social security rolls for citizenship. Non citizens don't vote in our elections. This. Is. Not. A. Problem.
Edit: remember when Colorado SOS Jena Griswold sent registration notices to 30k ineligible folks. Guess what. A couple of those folks tried to register. Guess what. Their registrations were flagged and cancelled and they didn't receive a ballot (this is not public information).
I show my RealID drivers license which I received because I had to present my birth certificate (which if born in the US makes me a citizen) or an unexpired passport which also hows my country.
That is all anyone should have to provide.
Considering it is already illegal for foreign nationals to vote in the U.S. election…the EO s a waste of time.
Agreed, all you should have to show is a drivers license.
Your last sentence is strange though. Simply because something is illegal doesn’t mean it isn’t or won’t happen. I believe it’s illegal to enter the country without going through the proper protocol and that didn’t seem to matter. Not conflating the two, just relevant.
If all this is true I see no reason to not ask for ID to vote. It takes 5 minutes and a piece of mail at most. Seems crazy. No other country in the world allows that. If you don’t have an ID, how do you drive or work or cash a check or anything? You literally can’t buy a vape without an ID. What’s the big deal?
This is what the current law states. As @iceheart08 points out, if this EO does make it into law and survives the lawsuits, it will make it harder for US citizens to vote, not foreign nationals. It is already difficult for this to happen.
There, as far as my limited research indicates, only two cases where a foreign nationals tried to vote. One in Michigan and another in Alabama.
That’s what I’m asking. Can you tell me how needing your ID to vote makes it harder for US citizens to vote. If they’re voting they’re 18, if they’re 18 they’ve been in school or work or on SS or drive, if any of those are true they would have ID for that anyway. Is it the inconvenience of having to carry your ID into the voting place?
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