Trump Executive Order on Election Security

[AugTig]

That’s what I’m asking. Can you tell me how needing your ID to vote makes it harder for US citizens to vote. If they’re voting they’re 18, if they’re 18 they’ve been in school or work or on SS or drive, if any of those are true they would have ID for that anyway. Is it the inconvenience of having to carry your ID into the voting place? Seriously what percentage of American citizens over the age of 18 don’t have a single form of ID?

They know an ID doesn't make it harder to vote. Instead, they want to flip the narrative as usual. I wonder why?? The libs excel at accusing people of exactly what they are doing.

@dbjork6317 and the rest of your liberal pals, the below is insanity and your TDS is going to be your undoing. Deal with it. We the people/majority have voted to put a stop to this nonsense.

"The point is that voter fraud isn’t happening, except on an extremely small scale. They’re want to pass laws that solve an imaginary problem and also do make it easier for malicious actors to curb voting rights."

 

[iceheart08]

They know an ID doesn't make it harder to vote. Instead, they want to flip the narrative as usual. I wonder why?? The libs excel at accusing people of exactly what they are doing.

@dbjork6317 and the rest of your liberal pals, the below is insanity and your TDS is going to be your undoing. Deal with it. We the people/majority have voted to put a stop to this nonsense.

"The point is that voter fraud isn’t happening, except on an extremely small scale. They’re want to pass laws that solve an imaginary problem and also do make it easier for malicious actors to curb voting rights."

1. Stop being stupid. If you can't engage genuinely, I encourage you not to. I've been pretty clear in this thread and multiple times before. We should make voting easier, not harder. Sometimes, for the sake of security, we should make it harder. This is not one of those times. It absolutely does impose a burden on about 10% of the population. And those folks just don't end up voting (if they had voted last cycle they'd have been trump voters at like an 80/20 clip).
We believe it's not worth it. The trade-off isn't worth it for a problem that doesn't exist.
2. This has nothing to do with trump. Where have you been? This exact fight has been playing out for like 20 years.

 

[Clemsonu90]

Sounds like DHS’s people who work election security will be busy….oh wait, that is right Trump fired them all.

 

[TigerGrowls]

The federal government doesn't fund elections at the state and local level. Withholding money from states accomplishes nothing. Just like this EO. It accomplishes nothing. It's performance disguised as policy, and it's based on nonsense.

This. Isn't. A. Problem.

Non citizens don't vote in our elections. Period.
This is fear mongering nonsense that's going to cause harm.

Trump has a plan and it will be implemented. Stable genius playing 5D chess boys.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Hi.

Here's the thing.

In person voting fraud is literally non existent. The heritage foundation tracks it. It's happened like 40 times in the last 40 years.

Every single state system has multiple identity checks to confirm a person's identity before their vote is counted.

Voting should be easier not harder. It's always a balancing test between access and security. You all are creating a false choice here. We already have access and security. We don't need to limit access further to increase security. It's unnecessary because in person voting fraud simple does not happen.

Wanna know what else? Every state in the country already checks registrants against the social security rolls for citizenship. Non citizens don't vote in our elections. This. Is. Not. A. Problem.

Edit: remember when Colorado SOS Jena Griswold sent registration notices to 30k ineligible folks. Guess what. A couple of those folks tried to register. Guess what. Their registrations were flagged and cancelled and they didn't receive a ballot (this is not public information).

He will figure out how to get rid of the mail in ballots Im figuring. The swing states with the changes that were already made before the last election were swept by republicans. Trump will lock it down more and he will have the DOJ really policing fraud this time instead of what occurred in 2020 and 2024. Bondi, Patel and Bongino will have an army of animals ready to throw the book at the cheaters this time. Additionally with USAID being stopped the dem machine money supply is going to dry up significantly. Mark all this down. We know Soros hasnt been spending his own money.....will he pull from his own pocket going forward? Trump has a huge cash reserve and Musk resources to throw at the midterms. I wouldnt get my hopes up libs.

 

[Clemsonu90]

He will figure out how to get rid of the mail in ballots Im figuring.

Going to be tough…thousand of military folks vote absentee through the mail every election. Oh and by the way their ability to do so is protected by law as is the requirement to take and count ballots postmarked (not received) before the election.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Going to be tough…thousand of military folks vote absentee through the mail every election. Oh and by the way their ability to do so is protected by law as is the requirement to take and count ballots postmarked (not received) before the election.

There will be some limited exceptions. We know the military supports Trump on a very heavy level anyway so we want their votes counted.

 

[iceheart08]

There will be some limited exceptions. We know the military supports Trump on a very heavy level anyway so we want their votes counted.

How very American of you to be so focused on the votes that favor trump. What if I told you the overall uocava vote number (which includes expats and families of service members) is much closer to 50/50? Still interested in an exception? Or just for military members?

Uocava is the law through which folks overseas can easily cast a ballot through a variety of means.

 

[TigerGrowls]

How very American of you to be so focused on the votes that favor trump. What if I told you the overall uocava vote number (which includes expats and families of service members) is much closer to 50/50? Still interested in an exception? Or just for military members?

Uocava is the law through which folks overseas can easily cast a ballot through a variety of means.

Let them vote legally, have the votes in before election day and be counted correctly. This segment is the least of our concerns. The universal mail in ballot mailings and all that need to go. People should have to request a mail in ballot as an exception like it used to be. No more pandemics to provide cover for cheating.

 

[AugTig]

1. Stop being stupid. If you can't engage genuinely, I encourage you not to. I've been pretty clear in this thread and multiple times before. We should make voting easier, not harder. Sometimes, for the sake of security, we should make it harder. This is not one of those times. It absolutely does impose a burden on about 10% of the population. And those folks just don't end up voting (if they had voted last cycle they'd have been trump voters at like an 80/20 clip).
We believe it's not worth it. The trade-off isn't worth it for a problem that doesn't exist.
2. This has nothing to do with trump. Where have you been? This exact fight has been playing out for like 20 years.

Stop being stupid...😂 At least you are right that it has nothing to do with Trump. It's about being an American and in favor of fair and honest elections. It's not difficult to get an ID and you know that. Please explain why it's a burden. What exactly is the trade off? You are on the losing side of this argument. The people voted and you lost.

 

[DW4_2016]

Oh wow! You have proof now? The pillow man coming back with his ‘data’?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Oh wow! You have proof now? The pillow man coming back with his ‘data’?

You will sh1t yourself and cry like a baby if Mike Lindell turns out to have been right.

 

[MTTiger19]

1. Stop being stupid. If you can't engage genuinely, I encourage you not to. I've been pretty clear in this thread and multiple times before. We should make voting easier, not harder. Sometimes, for the sake of security, we should make it harder. This is not one of those times. It absolutely does impose a burden on about 10% of the population. And those folks just don't end up voting (if they had voted last cycle they'd have been trump voters at like an 80/20 clip).
We believe it's not worth it. The trade-off isn't worth it for a problem that doesn't exist.
2. This has nothing to do with trump. Where have you been? This exact fight has been playing out for like 20 years.

I’ve read a good bit about this and I think the important part of this is why? Why is this a burden on that 10%. I found an interesting paper done by Movement Advancement Project (MAP) called the ID Divide. This is a liberal group, paper written by people from ACLU and LGBTQ advocates. The claim is that is that ID makes voting difficult because of the following:
It takes time and documentation and money, up to $15 to get proper ID. That’s it, that’s the reason.
Thats a completely ridiculous reason to throw out something as important as ID to vote. Read the document. It’s just excuses, if it’s so hard how did the other 90% of people figure out how to get an ID.
This is the exact verbiage used:
-Burdensome documentation requirements
-Needlessly high financial cost
-Limited availability of ID services
-Discrimination
So essentially what they’re saying is 10% of Americans are completely off grid and have no contact with society, but somehow they have enough connection with the world to demand to be able to vote with no ID. Are any of those 10% on any type of government assistance? Doesn’t that require ID? By these standards, they’re basically saying that people who work and have jobs do not have the documents, time or money to go to the DMV. That’s essentially the argument and because of that we should just throw out reasonable rules for voting. It’s actually insulting to people, having an ID is as American as baseball. And access to getting an ID is a pain but is accessible to anyone anywhere in this country. Full stop.

Here’s the craziest part of the paper.
Who lacks valid ID.
Whites 8%
Blacks 21%
Hispanics 23%
TRANS 68%
Wow. I don’t think sexual orientation is an economic burden to gaining an ID. Interesting stuff.

The other ironic part is Mr @iceheart08 claims these folks with no ID would vote Trump at 80/20. Simply not true. Multiple studies show:
Scholars have also found that the voters most burdened by the laws are the poor and people of color, who tend to support the Democratic Party (9, 10). Voter access and election security are the most consequential outcomes in this debate. But secondary variables such as election results are also relevant to understanding the laws’ role in a democratic society.

https://www.mapresearch.org/file/MAP-Identity-Documents-report-2022.pdf

 

[MTTiger19]

Stop being stupid...😂 At least you are right that it has nothing to do with Trump. It's about being an American and in favor of fair and honest elections. It's not difficult to get an ID and you know that. Please explain why it's a burden. What exactly is the trade off? You are on the losing side of this argument. The people voted and you lost.

I posted after this but here’s a good paper on why they claim it’s a problem.

https://www.mapresearch.org/file/MAP-Identity-Documents-report-2022.pdf

 

[SGTiger]

Oh wow! You have proof now? The pillow man coming back with his ‘data’?

Was your nickname pimple when you were in school?

 

[dpic73]

"The administration appears to be trying to create a distraction from the damning story. Yesterday evening, Trump signed an executive order that would, if it could be enforced, dramatically change U.S. elections and take the vote away from tens of millions of Americans. But, as Marc Elias of Democracy Docket put it, the order is “confused, rhetorical and—in places—nonsensical. It asserts facts that are not true and claims authority he does not possess. It is not meant to be taken seriously or literally. Rather, it is the empty threat of a weak man desperate to appear strong.”

 

[MTTiger19]

"The administration appears to be trying to create a distraction from the damning story. Yesterday evening, Trump signed an executive order that would, if it could be enforced, dramatically change U.S. elections and take the vote away from tens of millions of Americans. But, as Marc Elias of Democracy Docket put it, the order is “confused, rhetorical and—in places—nonsensical. It asserts facts that are not true and claims authority he does not possess. It is not meant to be taken seriously or literally. Rather, it is the empty threat of a weak man desperate to appear strong.”

Share some examples. Are you surprised a guy from the “Democracy Docket” thinks it’s nonsense? Exactly what are they trying to do aside from ID?

 

[dpic73]

Share some examples. Are you surprised a guy from the “Democracy Docket” thinks it’s nonsense? Exactly what are they trying to do aside from ID?

Are you aware of Marc Elias' track record? Even Steve Bannon gives him kudos for how effective he is so I wouldn't dismiss him flippantly.

• The order would punish states that count ballots received after Election Day, a common practice used by states like California, Illinois and Nevada — would lose federal funds to support their election operations.
• It would make significant modifications to voting systems and security standards for voting equipment.
• It would also require proof of citizenship for Americans who attempt to register to vote or to update registration information through a federal form, a move that would make it much harder for eligible voters to use the form.
  • How do you prove citizenship without a passport or birth certificate? Your Real ID or license doesn't prove it.​

“This is not a statute,” Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes (D) told Democracy Docket. “This is an edict by fiat from the executive branch, and so every piece of it can be challenged through the regular judicial process.”

“But what is most disturbing is the attitude behind it, and that is that it appears as though this is another one of the administration’s building blocks in an attempt to avoid having to face the voters in 2026,” Fontes added. “I genuinely believe that the Trump administration wants to cancel the 2026 elections so that he and his party can stay in power, and we have to fight like hell against that by every means available.”

Trump Signs Order in Attempt to Vastly Reshape U.S. Elections

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

 

[DW4_2016]

Was your nickname pimple when you were in school?

did you go to the symposium? is the pillow man your friend? are you the pillow man? maybe it was only stupid liberals that went?

 

[DW4_2016]

You will sh1t yourself and cry like a baby if Mike Lindell turns out to have been right.

Mike Lindell Bet $5M to Prove His Election Lies Wrong. Now He Has to Pay Up.

“This will all end up in court,” the MyPillow CEO told VICE News of the “Prove Mike Wrong Challenge.”

www.vice.com

 

[SGTiger]

did you go to the symposium? is the pillow man your friend? are you the pillow man? maybe it was only stupid liberals that went?

MyPillow founder ordered to pay $5M in election data dispute

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — An arbitration panel has ordered MyPillow chief executive Mike Lindell to pay $5 million to a software engineer for breach of contract in a dispute over data that Lindell claims proves that China interfered in the U.S. 2020 elections and tipped the outcome to Joe Biden.

apnews.com

Like a "whitehead" that shows up at an inopportune time and is full of pus.

 

[DW4_2016]

Like a "whitehead" that shows up at an inopportune time and is full of pus.

good to meet you mike. didn't know we had a dumbass celebrity on our board.

 

[SGTiger]

good to meet you mike. didn't know we had a dumbass celebrity on our board.

You're not a celebrity jonny boy.

 

[WapPride]

I like when people come here to argue this topic against @iceheart08 whose career is literally dealing with this.

 

[MTTiger19]

Are you aware of Marc Elias' track record? Even Steve Bannon gives him kudos for how effective he is so I wouldn't dismiss him flippantly.

• The order would punish states that count ballots received after Election Day, a common practice used by states like California, Illinois and Nevada — would lose federal funds to support their election operations.
• It would make significant modifications to voting systems and security standards for voting equipment.
• It would also require proof of citizenship for Americans who attempt to register to vote or to update registration information through a federal form, a move that would make it much harder for eligible voters to use the form.
  • How do you prove citizenship without a passport or birth certificate? Your Real ID or license doesn't prove it.​

“This is not a statute,” Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes (D) told Democracy Docket. “This is an edict by fiat from the executive branch, and so every piece of it can be challenged through the regular judicial process.”

“But what is most disturbing is the attitude behind it, and that is that it appears as though this is another one of the administration’s building blocks in an attempt to avoid having to face the voters in 2026,” Fontes added. “I genuinely believe that the Trump administration wants to cancel the 2026 elections so that he and his party can stay in power, and we have to fight like hell against that by every means available.”

Trump Signs Order in Attempt to Vastly Reshape U.S. Elections

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

Those are look like rational, positive changes to me.

 

[SGTiger]

I like when people come here to argue this topic against @iceheart08 whose career is literally dealing with this.

How many people are posting on the @iceheart08 account? The only one I know is a dumbass. "Elon Musk is an idiot and @iceheart08, Biden, and Harris are geniuses. REEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

 

[WapPride]

Yes, all of the non-MAGAs on here are actually the same person just cycling through different accounts. I thought that was common knowledge.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I like when people come here to argue this topic against @iceheart08 whose career is literally dealing with this.

Want me to start a thread on oil and gas for you?

 

[Allornothing]

Going to be tough…thousand of military folks vote absentee through the mail every election. Oh and by the way their ability to do so is protected by law as is the requirement to take and count ballots postmarked (not received) before the election.

What about all of the people who aren't military?

 

[TigerGrowls]

@dpic73

Where is Marc Elias now??

He scrubbed his x account and has a very low profile currently it seems to me.

 

[Allornothing]

@dpic73

Where is Marc Elias now??

He scrubbed his x account and has a very low profile currently it seems to me.

I can only hope I live long enough to see Marc Elias (what a POS) face justice before the people of this country.

If not, I can rest assured that GOD, will have his say.

 

[dpic73]

@dpic73

Where is Marc Elias now??

He scrubbed his x account and has a very low profile currently it seems to me.

He went to a much better platform. 👇 You can follow him here if you want!

Marc Elias (@marcelias.bsky.social)

Founder @democracydocket.com. Chair of Elias Law Group. My dog's name is Bode. Visit: democracydocket.com.

bsky.app

 

[dpic73]

I can only hope I live long enough to see Marc Elias (what a POS) face justice before the people of this country.

If not, I can rest assured that GOD, will have his say.

All he does is win so what makes him a POS?

 

[MTTiger19]

Are you aware of Marc Elias' track record? Even Steve Bannon gives him kudos for how effective he is so I wouldn't dismiss him flippantly.

• The order would punish states that count ballots received after Election Day, a common practice used by states like California, Illinois and Nevada — would lose federal funds to support their election operations.
• It would make significant modifications to voting systems and security standards for voting equipment.
• It would also require proof of citizenship for Americans who attempt to register to vote or to update registration information through a federal form, a move that would make it much harder for eligible voters to use the form.
  • How do you prove citizenship without a passport or birth certificate? Your Real ID or license doesn't prove it.​

“This is not a statute,” Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes (D) told Democracy Docket. “This is an edict by fiat from the executive branch, and so every piece of it can be challenged through the regular judicial process.”

“But what is most disturbing is the attitude behind it, and that is that it appears as though this is another one of the administration’s building blocks in an attempt to avoid having to face the voters in 2026,” Fontes added. “I genuinely believe that the Trump administration wants to cancel the 2026 elections so that he and his party can stay in power, and we have to fight like hell against that by every means available.”

Trump Signs Order in Attempt to Vastly Reshape U.S. Elections

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

Another question for you and @iceheart08. Ultimately isn’t it the will of the people that the government should answer to?

Bipartisan Support for Early In-Person Voting, Voter ID, Election Day National Holiday

But partisan divides grow wider on other proposals such as voting by mail, automatic voter registration and registering on Election Day.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[TigerGrowls]

All he does is win so what makes him a POS?

Yes he really won this past November dpic.

 

[dpic73]

Another question for you and @iceheart08. Ultimately isn’t it the will of the people that the government should answer to?

Bipartisan Support for Early In-Person Voting, Voter ID, Election Day National Holiday

But partisan divides grow wider on other proposals such as voting by mail, automatic voter registration and registering on Election Day.

www.pewresearch.org

Do you have a specific question? Looks like the majority agree with most of those.

 

[dpic73]

Yes he really won this past November dpic.

He's a lawyer, not a pollster

 

[TigerGrowls]

He's a lawyer, not a pollster

He worked on an intense level to set the rules of how the election would be administered in the swing states and chalked up an Ofer.

 

[dpic73]

He worked on an intense level to set the rules of how the election would be administered in the swing states and chalked up an Ofer.

He wins the vast majority of his lawsuits but that doesn't mean he controls how people vote.

 

[MTTiger19]

Do you have a specific question? Looks like the majority agree with most of those.

Why do you oppose this? If the majority want this what’s the problem? Even Ice says it’s been debated into oblivion over the last 20 years. This isn’t new. Why is there such a visceral reaction to this? Bc it’s Trump doing it via EO? Clearly citizens are fed up with the current situation. These are normal laws that nearly every country in the world abides by. This isn’t even a remotely radical viewpoint or opinion. It’s literally mainstream.

Edit: specifically referring to 81% in favor of voter ID.